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 02/06/2008 04:54:55 PM · #1
what is up with people doing advanced editing on basic editing challenges??
 02/06/2008 04:57:08 PM · #2
well i think that either they don't realize it is BASIC editing...or they think that no one will notice.. OR they think its worth a try to enter with advanced editing and maybe they wont get caught and get DQ'ed.
 02/06/2008 04:58:26 PM · #3
Originally posted by milessherrill:
what is up with people doing advanced editing on basic editing challenges??


If they are, they will be disqualified if caught. Do you have any specific shots in mind? Remember there are many editing steps that ARE legal in basic and some techniques may look like Advanced techniques, but aren't.
02/06/2008 04:58:40 PM · #4
It an attempt to get a better voter so trolls will vote their photo higher.
 02/06/2008 04:58:54 PM · #5
or it looks like it is advanced editing, and it is really basic legal. :)
02/06/2008 04:59:39 PM · #6
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by milessherrill:
what is up with people doing advanced editing on basic editing challenges??


If they are, they will be disqualified if caught. Do you have any specific shots in mind? Remember there are many editing steps that ARE legal in basic and some techniques may look like Advanced techniques, but aren't.


Yes, if you see one that you think is advanced editing, recommend it for dq/validation. . .but vote as if it is legal.
 02/06/2008 05:00:22 PM · #7
or it looks like it is advanced editing, and it is really basic legal. :)

ya that too.
 02/06/2008 05:03:54 PM · #8
for one when using raw shooter essentials 2006 you can edit a raw photo as a whole and make it appear as a hdr photo but some parts of the photo will be either overstaturated very light or very dark.
 02/06/2008 05:04:20 PM · #9
I almost did it in "Old Ways" and caught myself before deadline and had to re-edit. It's not hard to forget what rules you are under.
 02/06/2008 05:06:31 PM · #10
Here is one from the abandoned buildings 2 that looks like it would be something from advance editing but it is possible to get this effect with raw2006 using fill light and shadow/highlight contrast
 02/06/2008 05:07:44 PM · #11
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
Here is one from the abandoned buildings 2 that looks like it would be something from advance editing but it is possible to get this effect with raw2006 using fill light and shadow/highlight contrast


And I didn't even do that. I don't shoot raw. My editing steps are in my photo, not much editing, really, and definitely all basic.
 02/06/2008 05:09:34 PM · #12
not to single you out Karen sry, i do love the photo though made me say damn out loud when i first seen it:)
 02/06/2008 05:10:16 PM · #13
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
not to single you out Karen sry, i do love the photo though made me say damn out loud when i first seen it:)


Oh I don't mind at all, and thanks. :)
 02/06/2008 05:11:49 PM · #14
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
Here is one from the abandoned buildings 2 that looks like it would be something from advance editing but it is possible to get this effect with raw2006 using fill light and shadow/highlight contrast


And I didn't even do that. I don't shoot raw. My editing steps are in my photo, not much editing, really, and definitely all basic.

Actually, you did, but with different software. "Clarify" is similar to a fill light and shadow/highlight look.
 02/06/2008 05:13:00 PM · #15
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
Here is one from the abandoned buildings 2 that looks like it would be something from advance editing but it is possible to get this effect with raw2006 using fill light and shadow/highlight contrast


And I didn't even do that. I don't shoot raw. My editing steps are in my photo, not much editing, really, and definitely all basic.

Actually, you did, but with different software. "Clarify" is similar to a fill light and shadow/highlight look.


Well now, you learn something every day. I have no idea what editing tools do in other software.
 02/06/2008 05:13:25 PM · #16
Sometimes people jump to the conclusion that an Advanced Editing step has been used. And yet...sometimes those people don't stop to ask...which lends me to think that they have voted accordingly...that is...they have voted as if the photo has been edited illegally....is that fair to the photographer?

NO!!

Please people...think twice before voting to your own conclusion. The warning that pops up after a low vote or a validation request is there for a reason.

In this entry in the Basic Editing Challenge of old ways, somebody made reference to the PhotoMatrix Programme. How they voted, I don't know. But the feeling is the same...did they vote correctly....did they look into it further. I, the Photographer, is still in the dark about that.

Food for thought.


02/06/2008 05:15:00 PM · #17
Originally posted by Judi:
The warning that pops up after a low vote or a validation request is there for a reason.

FWIW, that warning was eliminated.
 02/06/2008 05:15:45 PM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Judi:
The warning that pops up after a low vote or a validation request is there for a reason.

FWIW, that warning was eliminated.


Oops...shows how long since I have been in that area of voting...thanks!
 02/06/2008 05:16:38 PM · #19
Well I was wondering about that too, there is one being voted on right now, not going to say which one, that looks like it was de-saturated, except for the main subject. Like selective de-saturation via a mask. I have read the rules, but maybe I misunderstood, is that allowed under basic editing?
 02/06/2008 05:17:56 PM · #20
Originally posted by koriley:
Well I was wondering about that too, there is one being voted on right now, not going to say which one, that looks like it was de-saturated, except for the main subject. Like selective de-saturation via a mask. I have read the rules, but maybe I misunderstood, is that allowed under basic editing?


Well there are ways to do it in basic, so if it is done that way then yes it is legal.
 02/06/2008 05:18:33 PM · #21
Originally posted by koriley:
Like selective de-saturation via a mask. I have read the rules, but maybe I misunderstood, is that allowed under basic editing?

See this tutorial.
 02/06/2008 05:21:12 PM · #22
Originally posted by koriley:
Well I was wondering about that too, there is one being voted on right now, not going to say which one, that looks like it was de-saturated, except for the main subject. Like selective de-saturation via a mask. I have read the rules, but maybe I misunderstood, is that allowed under basic editing?


If in doubt...go to the Contact Page and identify the image and the reason to them. If it is in voting then click on the appropriate button to have it checked out.
 02/06/2008 05:26:03 PM · #23
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by koriley:
Like selective de-saturation via a mask. I have read the rules, but maybe I misunderstood, is that allowed under basic editing?

See this tutorial.


Well that̢۪s really cool, but how are you going to be able to tell if they went that process or just did it the easy way? Of coarse I guess they could have made an action and that becomes the easy way.. :)

But I digress, if you only have to show the original image and not the technique you could get away with it, I would think.

I'm not trying to complain either, just trying to make sure I understand the rules completely.

Thanks for the tut scalvert, that really is cool.
02/06/2008 05:40:39 PM · #24
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Judi:
The warning that pops up after a low vote or a validation request is there for a reason.

FWIW, that warning was eliminated.

Sigh... I miss that ol' warning. OK, you may not return to your topic.
02/06/2008 05:56:24 PM · #25
Originally posted by koriley:
...Well that̢۪s really cool, but how are you going to be able to tell if they went that process or just did it the easy way? ...


For one thing, there is plenty of collective editing savvy, knowledge and experience among the SC, that they can usually tell what has been done to a photo. Also, if there is question about it, that is why they ask for the editing steps taken on a photo. They try and replicate it on the original and see if it can be done with legal steps.

A selective desat photo is pretty easy to do within the basic rules (with the right image). It should be fairly easy to tell by looking at it if it was performed with global adjustments or with selections.

But this is another strong example of why it is important and fair to ALWAYS vote on photos as if they ARE legal. Just because you can't see how something was done, it absolutely does not mean that it was not done legally! We are not all photoshop experts, there probably are a lot of techniques that are easy AND legal, and we just have not discovered them yet. :-)
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