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 03/10/2008 11:59:14 PM · #76
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

How many 3âs, 2âs, and 1âs do you truly give out during voting???


Apparently I vote 6% and you vote 17.8% 3 or below.

Your suggestion is noted and filed for future reference.


I'm sure if I voted on 25,126 entries my average would be lower than 6%. Letâs actually look at how many you gave vs. how many I gave. I'm sure you have given out more than me.

For someone who complains about complainers you sure are doing a wonderful job of complaining. And after the couple of PM's you sent me about being a bigger man and doing this and that really shows me that if you thought you were any bigger of a man than me. You thought wrong buddy.


You should have read the earlier post from karmat I have given 1516 and you have given 2052.

How about you keep the insults out of the forums and save it for the PM's your good at that.
 03/10/2008 11:59:42 PM · #77
Oh I'm sorry... did I insult you? Did I hurt your feelings? Well I'm sorry princess!

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:01:04.
 03/11/2008 12:01:34 AM · #78
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Actually DD you have asked a lot of questions in this thread now I've got a one for you.

According to your signature we should:

How we should vote:
10 = Perfect | 9 = Almost Perfect | 8 = Excellent Picture | 7 = VERY Good Picture | 6 = Great Shot | 5 = Average shot Needs work
4 = Thanks for entering | 3 = Lighting, angle, subject, and/or clarity is not right | 2 = What were you thinking? | 1 = You Shouldnât have entered this challenge.

Is this how you vote?


It is now yes! Considering I don't give out anything lower than a 5.

Don't know where you thought you would take that but um ok.


Can I ask why you don't vote below 5, not that it is any of my business.


Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:02:44.
 03/11/2008 12:02:42 AM · #79
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
So all I ask is please think about what I am asking exactly vs. what your initial thought of my idea is/was.

You, too, should think about what you're asking-
Originally posted by BeeCee:
WHY should ONLY 1-3 votes deserve comments? ALL of us have something we can learn, so why should only the poor shots rate comments? When I get a 9 or 10 on a shot that I figure is a 5.5, I want to know why just as much as I want to know why the 1 or 2. Don't I have just as much right to know?

Giving comments for votes below 3 is already encouraged and there was even a pop-up reminder for a while (I'll take the blame for that bad idea). Forcing or even semi-forcing people to comment will only cause people to avoid voting low, and an average vote on a lousy shot (a policy you appear to be following these days) does nothing to help the photographer. It's like having someone fail miserably and giving them the impression they did a decent job. It can only encourage them to repeat the failure.

On the rare occasions I give a 1, it's for an entry with no redeeming value whatsoever IMO, and "Yuck. Start over" wouldn't be much of a comment. If I see something that could be helpful, I will comment, but an entry getting tons of 1's is generally beyond help and the photographer probably knows it. Any entry getting few ones isn't always the work of trolls. It could be someone who genuinely misunderstood the topic or has a rare sunset phobia. Forcing comments is a poor solution... especially if it's only aimed at low votes (as noted in my post that you scoffed at).
 03/11/2008 12:04:19 AM · #80
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Oh I'm sorry... did I insult you? Did I hurt your feelings? Well I'm sorry princess!


Is there really the need to be so childish??
 03/11/2008 12:05:24 AM · #81
Pointless even speaking our minds... This site will never change.

Lock it!

Before I get the boot!

If I can't get anyone else to help I will help who I can.

That's why I went on the CC in the first place.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:06:58.
 03/11/2008 12:06:56 AM · #82
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm sure if I voted on 25,126 entries my average would be lower than 6%. Letâs actually look at how many you gave vs. how many I gave. I'm sure you have given out more than me.

Wrong- it's not even close. You've handed out triple the 2's and nearly 13X as many 1's as Keegbow.
 03/11/2008 12:07:33 AM · #83
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm sure if I voted on 25,126 entries my average would be lower than 6%. Letâs actually look at how many you gave vs. how many I gave. I'm sure you have given out more than me.

Wrong- it's not even close. You've handed out triple the 2's and nearly 13X as many 1's as Keegbow.


yes I see that. I was new to the site and didn't know any better. That was the old me or really young me. I'm better now and I understand more than I did then.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:08:12.
 03/11/2008 12:08:55 AM · #84
Originally posted by Keegbow:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
10 = Perfect | 9 = Almost Perfect | 8 = Excellent Picture | 7 = VERY Good Picture | 6 = Great Shot | 5 = Average shot Needs work
4 = Thanks for entering | 3 = Lighting, angle, subject, and/or clarity is not right | 2 = What were you thinking? | 1 = You Shouldnât have entered this challenge.[/b]

Is this how you vote?


It is now yes! Considering I don't give out anything lower than a 5.

If you don't give any entry less than "5 = Average shot Needs work," then how is that average? :-/

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:09:42.
 03/11/2008 12:10:30 AM · #85
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Keegbow:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
10 = Perfect | 9 = Almost Perfect | 8 = Excellent Picture | 7 = VERY Good Picture | 6 = Great Shot | 5 = Average shot Needs work
4 = Thanks for entering | 3 = Lighting, angle, subject, and/or clarity is not right | 2 = What were you thinking? | 1 = You Shouldnât have entered this challenge.[/b]

Is this how you vote?


It is now yes! Considering I don't give out anything lower than a 5.

If you don't give any entry less than "5 = Average shot Needs work," then how is that average? :-/


Material, positioning, slight lighting, editing or processing. Maybe the way they set up a shot.

03/11/2008 12:12:04 AM · #86
Please lock this thread.

I have nothing more to say here.

I have PM'd and created a ticket asking to lock this thread.
Can we please lock it?
 03/11/2008 12:14:24 AM · #87


Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:17:17.
 03/11/2008 12:16:42 AM · #88
Flex force people to comment on challenge entries marked with a vote of 3 or below. You have the remaining time of the challenge to comment on these pictures.
If youâre low votes are not commented by the end of the challenge then these votes will be dropped off just like they are if you donât vote on 20% of the challenge.
If you vote a 3 or below on a challenge entry you can comment on it then or come back to it later.
You DO NOT need to comment on the picture at the time of the initial vote.
Doing this would stop troll voting in the way we recognize it now. People go thru the challenges and vote low on entries just so the scores are decreased in hopes that their entries (or friends entries) can score higher than normal.
For those that truly give out 1âs, 2âs and 3âs and leave comments will be greatly appreciated and will build this site to be a better one. Photographers will emerge all over and this site would do what it was actually started for.

For some people the site does help. It helped me, and many others I know. But it took me a long time to find out what makes a good picture/photographer.

So all I ask is please think about what I am asking exactly vs. what your initial thought of my idea is/was.

How many 3âs, 2âs, and 1âs do you truly give out during voting???

03/11/2008 12:18:30 AM · #89
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
This site is still in the 90's and with all the polls saying the same thing "stay the same" it will never change.


o rly?

~Terry
 03/11/2008 12:19:03 AM · #90
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Guys I can understand that we all donât like to be forced to do new things. If someone suggested this and I wasnât the person suggesting it I would probably be in the same shoes you are in. But honestly stop and think about the idea.

How many votes to you truly give out that are 3âs and below??? Donât you think that if you are giving someone a 3 they should be told what they are doing wrong? If your picture was getting 3âs wouldnât you want to know why??? I know Shelia would. Aka Beecee. She loves comments on her pictures telling her what she isnât doing right. She would love for someone to let her know that âhey I gave you a 3 because your lighting is way off. Youâre image is out of focus and your subject just doesnât meet the challenge rules IN MY EYESâ This doesnât make you a bad photographer but hopefully it would help you get better.


Well, not quite. Often I KNOW this or that is wrong. I don't need to be told. What I WOULD like is to be told how to FIX it. And this is most often when I comment; when I can offer some tip for improvement, not simply tell them what they probably already know, or have heard in 6 other comments.

I don't say, "blurry" or "oof", rather I'll say,(and this IS one of my comments made) "The tilted horizon, overpowering background, and the fact it's bronze rather than chrome will all bring your score down a great deal. Try bringing your subject out of center, in this case I think more space in front of him than behind, leading your eye in the direction he's about to launch into."

If I don't feel I have anything constructive to offer, why force me to say something?

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
My VERY first picture I submitting I had no clue what I was doing. I saw pictures on the site that used BGâs and I thought I would try it. Look at the comments I got. Since then I have watched many things very closely. I read a thread started my scalvert or Larus (I think) that told many of us how to be a better photographer. What to look for and what to shoot. I remember it saying something like ribbon winners arenât something you see in every day life. Shoot something that you wouldnât normally see through the eye of the average.

My SUGGESTION is only that. âIâ think that if we could have a control on troll voting it would make people better at photography because people would get more feedback.


Again I ask, why is it only 3's and under that must leave helpful comments? How about the person who gave me a 4 or a 5 on a shot that I thought was worth at LEAST a 6 or 7?
I still want to know WHY, and what I can do to improve it!

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
If you vote a 3 or below, leave a comment. How hard it that?


If you vote a 3 or below, leave a comment. Makes as much sense, and is far more fair.

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I could see if you were handing out 40 1âs and 80 3âs, hell no I wouldnât want to comment on that. But if you give out 3 or 4 or 10 commenting on that wouldnât take you anytime at all. If you donât want to comment on all 10 at one time donât. You have the entire time the challenge is under voting to comment. Everyoneâs quick to do some math. Do this math. 10 comments over 7 days⦠Thatâs less than 1.5 comments a day. Again how hard is that?


Again I ask, why waste everyone's time if I have nothing construcive to offer?

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

So all I ask is please think about what I am asking exactly vs. what your initial thought of my idea is/was.

How many 3âs, 2âs, and 1âs do you truly give out during voting???


I understand exactly what you're suggesting. But I suspect that, though you're asking a lot of questions, you really don't want us to answer them. You simply want us to agree with you. Sorry, but I don't!

But to answer your last question anyway; The last challenge I voted I gave 2 3's. One I left a comment on. This comment was not marked as helpful. I gave no 1's or 2's.

I just browsed through that challenge and last place got 45 comments, 2nd-to-last 17, 3rd-to-last 19. Not many of my entries have that many... I guess I don't need any help or improvement?
03/11/2008 12:19:22 AM · #91
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
This site is still in the 90's and with all the polls saying the same thing "stay the same" it will never change.


o rly?

~Terry


HAHAHAHAHA Wow getting all technical and stuff... You know that has to be one of the coolest sites I have ever seen.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:23:22.
 03/11/2008 12:22:28 AM · #92
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
How many 3âs, 2âs, and 1âs do you truly give out during voting???

For most people the answer would be, "less than you," and though you no longer vote anything less than 5, that's nothing to be proud of. You're asking to mandate the things we should do (comment on a shot voted 3 or less) while you completely ignore the thing we must do (vote on a scale of 1-10). What good is making a new rule if you're not even following the ones we have now?
 03/11/2008 12:23:47 AM · #93
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
How many 3âs, 2âs, and 1âs do you truly give out during voting???

For most people the answer would be, "less than you," and though you no longer vote anything less than 5, that's nothing to be proud of. You're asking to mandate the things we should do (comment on a shot voted 3 or less) while you completely ignore the thing we must do (vote on a scale of 1-10). What good is making a new rule if you're not even following the ones we have now?


OK
 03/11/2008 12:25:36 AM · #94
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Please lock this thread.

I have nothing more to say here.

I have PM'd and created a ticket asking to lock this thread.
Can we please lock it?


Hmmm... YOU have had your say...
You've asked us questions, now you want it locked when we respond, because you don't like our responses? Because we don't all agree with you? 'Snot really fair, is it?
(but then again, neither is being forced to comment on only one segment of voting range ;) )
 03/11/2008 12:29:05 AM · #95
No I got what I wanted. That and it's 12:29am and I have been up since 20 hours ago. I would like to go to sleep. I could just walk away but then the trash talk would go on ad I wouldn't be able to defend myself.

Besides it's pointless talking to people here. Everyone has their own opinion and when a site suggestion comes up it's ignored by SC until it becomes a fight with other members and then just escalades from there. Usually ending up with someone getting suspended. Ask Leroy He'll tell ya.
I made my pitch and no one bought it. Same as all ideas everyone else has. They are just useless.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:31:40.
 03/11/2008 12:33:03 AM · #96
Maybe that's because a very few keep pushing for a change the majority doesn't want? :)

Btw, looking at my own entries, my only one that scored under 4 had 31 comments. I KNEW why people voted low.

My midrange entries average about 8 comments. I'm going to lobby for enforced commenting on scores of 4-6; THEY need it most!

Sleep well :)
 03/11/2008 12:36:49 AM · #97
Besides, itâs usually the people who argue the most are the ones guilty of the accused.
Iâve learned that from this site over the years. Not only that but no matter what we do in the past it always comes back to haunt you in the future. Just ask any candidate running for president.

So I admit I was guilty of voting low in the past. But that was a LONG time ago and I was unaware of what really went on here.

03/11/2008 12:37:04 AM · #98
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
No I got what I wanted. That and it's 12:29am and I have been up since 20 hours ago. I would like to go to sleep. I could just walk away but then the trash talk would go on ad I wouldn't be able to defend myself.

Besides it's pointless talking to people here. Everyone has their own opinion and when a site suggestion comes up it's ignored by SC until it becomes a fight with other members and then just escalades from there. Usually ending up with someone getting suspended. Ask Leroy He'll tell ya.
I made my pitch and no one bought it. Same as all ideas everyone else has. They are just useless.


I can totally understand wanting to go to bed without this thread continuing. Why sit here an nitpic on the original post starter for his opinions, when he has asked nicely to lock the post and explained why.
 03/11/2008 12:38:44 AM · #99
GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE, SWEET DREAMS!!!
03/11/2008 12:41:52 AM · #100
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Everyone has their own opinion and when a site suggestion comes up it's ignored by SC until it becomes a fight with other members and then just escalades from there. Usually ending up with someone getting suspended. Ask Leroy He'll tell ya.

Leroy wasn't suspended for a site suggestion. He was suspended for breaking the rules (repeatedly). There have been countless suggestions made and implemented without fights- dust removal in Basic, keyboard voting, regular Free Studies, anonymous commenting, incorporating DPL, yadayadayada... Not every suggestion is a good one or practical, and some good ideas just get stalled due to other priorities, but the SC doesn't ignore any of them (part of our job is to discuss suggestions). Heated debates in the forums tend to be less effective as a simple ticket though as any real ideas get lost in the noise.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 00:44:03.
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