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03/12/2004 08:53:25 PM · #1 |
"Besides enhancing education, we need to further open markets here and abroad to allow our workers to compete effectively in the global marketplace."
Alam Greenspan
News Story
I guess he is talking about Americans jumping the fence to Mexico in search of job!? |
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03/12/2004 09:10:20 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
I guess he is talking about Americans jumping the fence to Mexico in search of job!? |
LOL, that's funny.
When Bush and Greenspan get all excited about "a new global economy", I wonder what benefits they think the USA will see from all of this? I honestly think they realize there is no benefit to anyone in the USA except for the corporations who will make a killing by hiring workers for 1/2 the wage of American workers or by making a killing shipping their jobs overseas. |
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03/16/2004 09:52:59 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I honestly think they realize there is no benefit to anyone in the USA except for the corporations who will make a killing by hiring workers for 1/2 the wage of American workers or by making a killing shipping their jobs overseas. |
Now, you're finally on to something. Don't lose that train of thought! |
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03/16/2004 03:31:46 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
When Bush and Greenspan get all excited about "a new global economy", I wonder what benefits they think the USA will see from all of this? I honestly think they realize there is no benefit to anyone in the USA except for the corporations who will make a killing by hiring workers for 1/2 the wage of American workers or by making a killing shipping their jobs overseas. |
For American corporations to "make a killing" they have to sell either goods or services. For that, they need customers. If they lay off all of their American workers so that they can replace them with workers for 1/2 the wage, or ship their jobs overseas, who will be left with enough money to buy the goods and services that these corporations produce with that cheap labor? Just curious.
Ron
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03/16/2004 04:01:56 PM · #5 |
Laid off workers will work in Krispy Kreme or Burger King and will make "decent 7 $ wages" and only thing they can afford is stuff made in China at WalMart by workers paid 1 $ hour working 18 hours a day!
And will live happily ever after....
Message edited by author 2004-03-16 16:02:55. |
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03/16/2004 04:55:42 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Laid off workers will work in Krispy Kreme or Burger King and will make "decent 7 $ wages" and only thing they can afford is stuff made in China at WalMart by workers paid 1 $ hour working 18 hours a day!
And will live happily ever after.... |
Sounds like you have a problem with that, Kosta. So just what is it you have a problem with? Krispy Kreme? Burger King? $7.00 an hour wages? Stuff made in China? Walmart? Chinese workers being paid $1.00 an hour? or 18 hour days? Please select one or more.
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03/16/2004 05:40:15 PM · #7 |
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03/16/2004 06:17:24 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I honestly think they realize there is no benefit to anyone in the USA except for the corporations who will make a killing by hiring workers for 1/2 the wage of American workers or by making a killing shipping their jobs overseas. |
I know your just repeating what you've been told, but you really need to look at it from a perspective of reality. I will try to demonstrate:
Company A is an American company making widget XYZ. They hire American employees and all the bagage that goes along with them. Company A is doing great for such and such a time-span
Well Company B from China comes along. The hire a dirt cheap work force thet is is extremly happy to just be making enough money to buy food for most of the week. Company B starts making widgets XYZ also. Quite frankly their products suck, BUT it also costs 1/4 of what Company A offers if for (even including mail in rebates, hehe).
So at a steady pace companies start to buy Company B's product. In order to compete, Evil Company A starts to hire a work force out of Mexico. This in turn saves the company millions of dollars (easily). In turn, their product can be sold for less, and the people who helped transition the company get big fat raises (oh those evil people for saving money).
Now granted, Company A has just laid off 3000 factory workers in some small town where the only job was to build XYZ...
BUT, if Company A never transitioned over to a Mexico based manufacturing plant, then company A would have gone by-by. Now over 10,000 people have lost their jobs including tons and tons of white collar jobs, everything from admin assistances to lawyers...
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Now I know most of you have probably been brain washed into thinking that those who run Corporate America are nothing but a bunch of slime balls and would take your christmas tree if you gave em the chance, but they are NOT.
Maybe, if Americas actualy bought American products this wouldn't be a problem.
As to global trade and global economy? Maybe you should talk to the Clinton's and your good buddy Kerry. They make comments about a Global Economy look like peanuts. I listened to President Clinton speak the other month about how he invisions a Global Government & Economy tomorrow. His best wishes almost disolve the American government and empowers a World Order.
Could you imagin some worthless UN clone telling Americans what to do??? Did you know that the UN as recently as a few weeks ago was trying to force a tax on Americans on junk food (on top of currect ones). They wanted this tax to go to the UN for them to distribute as they see fit. I bet almost all of you are smart enough to know who voiced against it and who voiced for it...
edit: a couple grammer mistakes
Message edited by author 2004-03-16 19:07:24.
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03/16/2004 07:41:16 PM · #9 |
No wonder why companies are moving to China ,Mexico.....
Popcorn worker with lung disease wins $20M jury award |
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03/16/2004 07:46:25 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Maybe, if Americas actualy bought American products this wouldn't be a problem. |
And now you have hit the crux of the problem ... that people are ALWAYS out for the best deal, because
-they don't want to lose face and can feel "economically astute"
-they have been inculcated with the "something for nothing" greed mentality
-they can't afford anything else because they make minimum wage
But, while it could be seen as our "patriotic duty" to participate in the "Buy American" program, it is also incumbent on the employer side to see that there are employees with money to spend. One of the major reasons Ford was so successful was that he paid his workers MORE THAN HE HAD TO so that they'd have money to buy his cars, and happy enough to be willing to.
One CEO making 15 million dollars can only spend so much of that on goods and services which drive the economy; I'm sure most of what those guys make is invested to accumulate further wealth. Take ten million of that and give a thousand each to ten thousand workers (or 10k to a thousand), and you'd have a much more beneficial overall effect. Of course your poor CEO would have to limp along on that measly five million you've left, but maybe they can apply for Food Stamps or something.
I am disturbed at the lack of outrage at the $10 thousand bottles of wine or the famous $6000 shower curtain ... jokes yes, but real outrage, no. There's approximately 12 million undernourished kids in the USA alone. Have we, as a society, no shame? If "the love of money is the root of all evil" (Timothy II), then I think the free-market capitalists had BETTER be God-fearing ... whether they're Christians or not I'll leave to the judgement of better authorities than I ....
Read this for a more realistic look at how most Americans live.
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03/17/2004 12:01:19 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Well Company B from China comes along. The hire a dirt cheap work force thet is is extremly happy to just be making enough money to buy food for most of the week. Company B starts making widgets XYZ also. Quite frankly their products suck, BUT it also costs 1/4 of what Company A offers if for (even including mail in rebates, hehe). |
Well this is why we need to stop the trade deficit with countries like China, so they don't continue to FLOOD US at will with their crap products. When ever I purchase something, I check to see if it's made in China and try to find an alternative but it's almost impossible.
Originally posted by Russell2566:
So at a steady pace companies start to buy Company B's product. In order to compete, Evil Company A starts to hire a work force out of Mexico. This in turn saves the company millions of dollars (easily). In turn, their product can be sold for less, and the people who helped transition the company get big fat raises (oh those evil people for saving money). |
This is BS. Take Wal-Mart. Do you think they need to hire 300 illegal mexicans to clean up their stores because they are in danger of going out of business due to the competition? No, I don't think so. They are doing it illegally, out of greed. They are saying F__ the American worker as long we can maximize our bottom line. In general I don't have a problem with maximizing the bottom line (I'm no commi :) but these companies have no ethics in a lot of cases.
Look at the CEO of Hewlet Packard saying "Americans need to realize that they are no longer entiled to a job at HP anymore..." or something like that. F___ HP then. "Americans" made that freaking company what it is today and the CEO has the arrogance to make a statement like this?? I'll NEVER buy another HP product again and thank God don't own any HP printers at the moment.
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Maybe, if Americas actualy bought American products this wouldn't be a problem. |
Doood, how can we buy American products when we have a 500 billion dollar trade deficit with China? Hmmmmmm??? Have you bothered to look on the bottom of almost every item you pick up in a store today? They all say "Made in China".
I usually won't buy the item if it's a "luxury" type of thing, (ie. not something I have to have now, etc.) if it's made in China. I will NEVER buy a Japanese car (espeically not a brand new car). It's impossible to buy an American made TV, or other electronic item, so most of the time I just bite my lip and make the purchase anyway. :)
Originally posted by Russell2566:
As to global trade and global economy? Maybe you should talk to the Clinton's and your good buddy Kerry. They make comments about a Global Economy look like peanuts. I listened to President Clinton speak the other month about how he invisions a Global Government & Economy tomorrow. His best wishes almost disolve the American government and empowers a World Order.
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Bush senior drafted the first NAFTA agreement. And Clinton signed it. Did you realize this??
In any case, we need to absolutely get out of this WTO crap and stop letting the 3rd world countries suck our our economy dry, oherwise we are going to turn into a 3rd world country ourselves.
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Could you imagin some worthless UN clone telling Americans what to do??? Did you know that the UN as recently as a few weeks ago was trying to force a tax on Americans on junk food... |
I hate the UN. They are a worthless bunch of Eurotrash communists. We should withdrawl from the UN and tell 'em to go jump in a lake. The "junk food" tax is another example of other countries exploiting our economy and taking advantage of us. And what are our politicans doing about it? NOTHING.
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03/17/2004 12:14:17 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Well this is why we need to stop the trade deficit with countries like China |
In theory this works great, unfortunetly we have found that as soon as we pressure a country like china to import more of our good or we try to even the table with tarriffs, they just retaliate. Believe it or not, we need china more than they need us. While no they can't survive economy wise without us, we would loose the cold war first...
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Bush senior drafted the first NAFTA agreement. And Clinton signed it. Did you realize this?? |
I knew that, but I don't know what your point is.
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I hate the UN. They are a worthless bunch of Eurotrash communists. We should withdrawl from the UN and tell 'em to go jump in a lake. The "junk food" tax is another example of other countries exploiting our economy and taking advantage of us. And what are our politicans doing about it? NOTHING. |
Very well said, I couldn't agree more!
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03/17/2004 12:29:08 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
In theory this works great, unfortunetly we have found that as soon as we pressure a country like china to import more of our good or we try to even the table with tarriffs, they just retaliate. Believe it or not, we need china more than they need us. While no they can't survive economy wise without us, we would loose the cold war first... |
There has to be a way to stop it, although I have no idea how since I'm not an economist. :) Seems like nobody really cares to try to change things.
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Bush senior drafted the first NAFTA agreement. And Clinton signed it. Did you realize this?? |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
I knew that, but I don't know what your point is. |
I mentioned that because you made it sound like Clinton dreamed this up when in fact he didn't. I'm no parrot Republican. I won't support the party unconditionally. When I see things I don't like, I will point them out. I may change to Independant because there's basically no real difference between Dems and Repubs anymore in our new era of political correctness. The only diff is in national defense (which IS important) but even here, although Bush is very strong here, he is letting in illegal immagrants into the country which is *opposed* to national security. I'm scratching my head on this one, are you? Do you wonder why he is doing that?? Or do you just think, oh well, he must have our best interest at heart. Well, no, I don't think so in this case.
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03/17/2004 12:40:16 AM · #14 |
I'd like to smack Bush in the head for some of the things he is doing... I think he needs to shut the border down and give Mr Fox down there in Mexico the old italian salute. I don't understand why he's so chummy with him.
I also wish Bush would dump a few of the social causes he's stolen from the democrats. Ya he's done things in 3 years that the dems said they were gonna do for the last 25, but I'd rather see him stronger on the enviroment than working harder on giving more entitlements away...
When it comes to stopping the trade problems, well it's beyond difficult. To do it right, would almost through the USA into another recetion. I do however think that those in office (all of em) and the liberal left in this country have REALLY pushed America away from being self-dependent. On top of that you've got more and more jobs going over seas and down south. It's all f-ed up...
As far as globalization: I think those people that support the Kerry's and Clinton's of this world really need to know more about what it is exactly that they people they support believe in. I listen to a lot of different outlets for news, quite frankly the extreme left in this country scares me WAY WAY more than the extreme right ever could...
Go listen to a rainbow coalition speaking engagment sometime... I couldn't even put it into words. And of course these speaking engagements ares just packed FULL of people who don't have real jobs, don't support our economy and are leeches, yet they EXPECT everyone else the majority to do what they say and believe.
and the kicker is, if I disagree with them: I'm a nazi, stupid, racist, animal torturer, the devil himself...
Message edited by author 2004-03-17 00:42:55.
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03/17/2004 01:03:21 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Go listen to a rainbow coalition speaking engagment sometime... I couldn't even put it into words. And of course these speaking engagements ares just packed FULL of people who don't have real jobs, don't support our economy and are leeches, yet they EXPECT everyone else the majority to do what they say and believe. |
I wouldn't even think about listening to the "rainbow coalition". Basically groups like this are racist. But it's a racism that most don't recognize. They constantly insite conflict between white and black, brown and yellow, etc., because this is what "funds" their orgainization. If there is no conflict, they become obsolete, and they don't want that. So THEY are the one who perpetuate the conflict. You already know this obviously but do you realize how many people have no clue on this?
Originally posted by Russell2566:
and the kicker is, if I disagree with them: I'm a nazi, stupid, racist, animal torturer, the devil himself...
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Of course they do that. That is how they try to control you with political correctness. If they call you a racist it's because they think you are going to bend over and accept their BS without question.
Next time they call you a Nazi, you should say to them: "Did you know that Adolf Hitler of the Nazi party was actually a social liberal? No? Maybe you should check it out? Did you know that Hitler was opposed to all religon and to unifying social entities such as marriage, etc? No? ". LOL, people are so ignorant it's halarious.
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03/18/2004 09:32:48 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Go listen to a rainbow coalition speaking engagment sometime... these speaking engagements ares just packed FULL of people who don't have real jobs, don't support our economy and are leeches, yet they EXPECT everyone else the majority to do what they say and believe.
and the kicker is, if I disagree with them: ...I'm a racist, ... |
Well, if you don't want people calling you a racist, perhaps you shouldn't make bigoted statements like yours above!
You basically just said that minorities are leeches because they are (mostly?) unemployed. Ladies and gentleman, Archie Bunker is in the building! :D
Then you basically accuse them of being "uppity"! Jeesh.
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03/18/2004 11:47:36 AM · #17 |
And Prescott Bush (grandpa bush) was a financial supporter of Hitler.
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Next time they call you a Nazi, you should say to them: "Did you know that Adolf Hitler of the Nazi party was actually a social liberal? No? Maybe you should check it out? Did you know that Hitler was opposed to all religon and to unifying social entities such as marriage, etc? No? ". LOL, people are so ignorant it's halarious. |
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04/22/2004 11:58:56 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Laid off workers will work in Krispy Kreme or Burger King and will make "decent 7 $ wages" and only thing they can afford is stuff made in China at WalMart by workers paid 1 $ hour working 18 hours a day!
And will live happily ever after.... |
FWIW: This from yesterday's issue of the Australian
Originally posted by Editorial:
Would you like a career with that?
WHEN enemies of promise want to sneer at entry-level jobs they talk of "burger flipping", as if working in a fast-food restaurant was one step above slavery. They should try telling that to Charlie Bell, from Kingsford in suburban Sydney, who at the age of 43 is now running McDonald's, not his local store but all 30,000 worldwide outlets. Mr Bell started at McDonald's when he was 15 and worked his way up the ranks of the company. Marked as a coming man he worked in the European and American operations while being groomed for a shot at the top job. He got it on Monday when he was immediately anointed to replace chief executive Jim Cantalupo, who died suddenly. All Australians should celebrate his achievement. Because it demonstrates that in Australia, anything is possible for those game to have a go. Mr Bell joins other Australians to rise to run giant corporations, Geoffrey Bible at Philip Morris, Douglas Daft at Coca-Cola and David Mackay at Kellogg.
But, however limitless any individual's energy and enthusiasm, everybody needs opportunities to prosper. Mr Bell's success signals what we must do to ensure that the next generation of Australian entrepreneurs has the chance to make the most of their ability. For a start, schools need to focus on the basics of literacy and numeracy and provide for students with different abilities and ambitions. Not every student is university bound and we must ensure that those who want to work straight away have the skills that employers want. Research from the Australian Council of Education Research late last year made the point that school leavers who start work and learn skills on the job can lay solid career foundations. And we need to ensure that young workers, plus older Australians with few saleable skills, are not priced out of the job market by over-regulated wages and conditions. Even the dynamic Mr Bell would have taken a while before he was making money for McDonald's. And most of all we should celebrate the dignity and discipline that working at McDonald's, and all the other part-time employers of young people, have provided for a generation of Australians who got their start mopping floors and cooking fries. People who think low-paying jobs never lead anywhere should consider Mr Bell's career, and think again. |
Ref: HERE
Seems like flipping burgers for $7 an hour ISN'T the end of the world after all.
Ron
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04/22/2004 12:29:53 PM · #19 |
I might be wrong, I'm going off memory, but didn't Clinton sign NAFTA into effect?
It's basic economics. If you can buy a gallon of milk for a dollar less, you will. If comapny XYZ can outsource labor to Korea for half the cost, why would you expect them not to? You would do the same thing.
Also note, the companies that don't outsourceand continue to pay high labor costs, have to charge higher prices for their product end up going out of business. Thus everyone that worked there ends up in the unemployment line. |
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04/22/2004 12:40:42 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I might be wrong, I'm going off memory, but didn't Clinton sign NAFTA into effect?
It's basic economics. If you can buy a gallon of milk for a dollar less, you will. If comapny XYZ can outsource labor to Korea for half the cost, why would you expect them not to? You would do the same thing.
Also note, the companies that don't outsourceand continue to pay high labor costs, have to charge higher prices for their product end up going out of business. Thus everyone that worked there ends up in the unemployment line. |
I don't get it?I'm questioning the inteligence here.
Outsourcing =unenployment
Don't outsource=unenployment
So, what is your question? |
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04/22/2004 12:56:32 PM · #21 |
To Buddog and others:
I would rather pay 5$ for gallon of milk to an American farmer than 1 $ at Walmart for Chinese one !
Because I know that The American farmer will come back to me and buy my 300 $ Cell Phone and we both have job !
When you pay 1 $ to a Chinese dealer,their goverment takes 50 cents and make nukes,so one day will bomb your ass off !
End of the story !
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04/22/2004 01:00:43 PM · #22 |
So one person out of how many thousands of workers at McDonalds makes it big. He's probably making a multimillion $ salary, not to mention any other perks he's getting and so many others are suffering in low wage jobs and have miserable lives because of it. Plus, this article is an editorial...is there anything specific that you found on Mr. Bell's career path at McDonalds?
"All Australians should celebrate his achievement. Because it demonstrates that in Australia, anything is possible for those game to have a go." Personally, I think this is a myth and very simplistic and propaganda.
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Laid off workers will work in Krispy Kreme or Burger King and will make "decent 7 $ wages" and only thing they can afford is stuff made in China at WalMart by workers paid 1 $ hour working 18 hours a day!
And will live happily ever after.... |
FWIW: This from yesterday's issue of the Australian
Originally posted by Editorial:
Would you like a career with that?
WHEN enemies of promise want to sneer at entry-level jobs they talk of "burger flipping", as if working in a fast-food restaurant was one step above slavery. They should try telling that to Charlie Bell, from Kingsford in suburban Sydney, who at the age of 43 is now running McDonald's, not his local store but all 30,000 worldwide outlets. Mr Bell started at McDonald's when he was 15 and worked his way up the ranks of the company. Marked as a coming man he worked in the European and American operations while being groomed for a shot at the top job. He got it on Monday when he was immediately anointed to replace chief executive Jim Cantalupo, who died suddenly. All Australians should celebrate his achievement. Because it demonstrates that in Australia, anything is possible for those game to have a go. Mr Bell joins other Australians to rise to run giant corporations, Geoffrey Bible at Philip Morris, Douglas Daft at Coca-Cola and David Mackay at Kellogg.
But, however limitless any individual's energy and enthusiasm, everybody needs opportunities to prosper. Mr Bell's success signals what we must do to ensure that the next generation of Australian entrepreneurs has the chance to make the most of their ability. For a start, schools need to focus on the basics of literacy and numeracy and provide for students with different abilities and ambitions. Not every student is university bound and we must ensure that those who want to work straight away have the skills that employers want. Research from the Australian Council of Education Research late last year made the point that school leavers who start work and learn skills on the job can lay solid career foundations. And we need to ensure that young workers, plus older Australians with few saleable skills, are not priced out of the job market by over-regulated wages and conditions. Even the dynamic Mr Bell would have taken a while before he was making money for McDonald's. And most of all we should celebrate the dignity and discipline that working at McDonald's, and all the other part-time employers of young people, have provided for a generation of Australians who got their start mopping floors and cooking fries. People who think low-paying jobs never lead anywhere should consider Mr Bell's career, and think again. |
Ref: HERE
Seems like flipping burgers for $7 an hour ISN'T the end of the world after all.
Ron |
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04/22/2004 01:48:15 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
So one person out of how many thousands of workers at McDonalds makes it big. |
Well, apart from the sinlessness of Jesus Christ, if ONE person can do it, OTHERS can.
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
He's probably making a multimillion $ salary, not to mention any other perks he's getting and so many others are suffering in low wage jobs and have miserable lives because of it. |
He probably IS making a multimillion $ salary. But he was originally one of those "suffering in low wage jobs" but instead of wallowing in his "misery" he actually did something about it - he WORKED.
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Plus, this article is an editorial...is there anything specific that you found on Mr. Bell's career path at McDonalds? |
Other than that in the editorial, not much - except for this quote:
Originally posted by Money:
Bell began his career with the fast-food chain at age 15 as a part-time crew member at a McDonald's restaurant in Sydney, Australia.
He became the company's youngest store manager in Australia at 19, a vice president at 27 and a member of the McDonald's Australia board of directors by the time was 29 years old. |
Ref MONEY Magazine
and this quote:
Originally posted by Money:
Charlie Bell, the first non-American to lead McDonald's Corp., started serving hamburgers and french fries at a McDonald's restaurant in Australia at the age of 15. |
Ref Also MONEY Magazine
and this quote:
Originally posted by CourierMail:
Charlie Bell, 43, who joined the fast-food giant at 15 and began his career flipping Big Macs and cleaning toilets at the Kingsgrove McDonald's in suburban Sydney, becomes the first non-American to head the company |
Ref The Courier Mail
but I think that that's enough to document the career references in the editorial.
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
"All Australians should celebrate his achievement. Because it demonstrates that in Australia, anything is possible for those game to have a go." Personally, I think this is a myth and very simplistic and propaganda. |
Which part of that quote do you consider to be a myth? |
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04/22/2004 02:03:37 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by louddog:
I might be wrong, I'm going off memory, but didn't Clinton sign NAFTA into effect?
It's basic economics. If you can buy a gallon of milk for a dollar less, you will. If comapny XYZ can outsource labor to Korea for half the cost, why would you expect them not to? You would do the same thing.
Also note, the companies that don't outsourceand continue to pay high labor costs, have to charge higher prices for their product end up going out of business. Thus everyone that worked there ends up in the unemployment line. |
I don't get it?I'm questioning the inteligence here.
Outsourcing =unenployment
Don't outsource=unenployment
So, what is your question? |
Outsourcing = lower cost = lower prices = larger market share = smart business.
The company doesn't care if people lose their jobs. Companies exist to make money, not employ people. Employees are a resource to a company and the company uses them and gets rid of them as business dictates.
Not much to understand there.
Maybe it sucks, but that's life. Deal with it and prosper or complain and fight and lose. |
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04/22/2004 02:05:08 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
To Buddog and others:
I would rather pay 5$ for gallon of milk to an American farmer than 1 $ at Walmart for Chinese one !
Because I know that The American farmer will come back to me and buy my 300 $ Cell Phone and we both have job !
When you pay 1 $ to a Chinese dealer,their goverment takes 50 cents and make nukes,so one day will bomb your ass off !
End of the story ! |
To armpitman and others... (name calling is fun!) |
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