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08/29/2008 03:28:11 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Hatchet:
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Is it mandatory to vote on the popcorn?
I liked the little burned bits, and the butter and salt was good - maybe a little too much salt - but there were too many unexploded grains in there and I was a little concerned for my teeth.
4 for the initiative and 3 for the result so it's a well earned 7 from me. |
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08/29/2008 03:28:25 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You're new aren't you. :-D |
Too late Barry's got you in his sites now... YOUR GOING DOWN!!!!
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Why...whatever do you mean? I'm usually nice to the newbies. |
Then again, you only consider them newbies for their first day; after that, they're fair game! ;)
Prash, I don't comment on every photo I vote. Does that mean I'm a troll?
Which would be better;
200 comments of "nice", "don't like it", "oof", "good find", or 10 comments that actually tell you specifically what the voter likes or doesn't and suggestions for improvement?
(btw, you've cast over 600 votes and left less than 30 comments... :) ) |
Thanks BeeCee. And thats exactly the reason why I proposed that we should make comments mandatory for least 20% of the pool that one rates.
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 15:30:00. |
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08/29/2008 03:29:37 PM · #28 |
I would also rather have 1 comment that I can use to my advantage to create better photos then have 200 comments about nothing in particular.
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08/29/2008 03:34:04 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by jdennique:
I would also rather have 1 comment that I can use to my advantage to create better photos then have 200 comments about nothing in particular. |
Point taken.
I just want to see how many guys are OK with the current commenting scene, because some people expressed the need for more comments. |
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08/29/2008 03:35:22 PM · #30 |
Oh  Prash you sure jumped in with both feet. Good for you!
On the topic, if you want more real and beneficial comments the best thing to do is to start a thread asking for a critique of the image after the challenge is over. You will get plenty of comments that will help you. Trying to make comments mandatory wont happen. My stance is I pay to play and I give comments only when I feel compelled to do so. If DPC made commenting mandatory I would no longer participate in challenges. This is for fun it is not a duty or a job. |
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08/29/2008 03:35:29 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Hatchet:
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If that has butter and salt on it, can I have some? :-D |
Hah.. wouldnt mind one myself. You guys are funny, man!! |
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08/29/2008 03:36:49 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by jdennique:
I would also rather have 1 comment that I can use to my advantage to create better photos then have 200 comments about nothing in particular. |
Point taken.
I just want to see how many guys are OK with the current commenting scene, because some people expressed the need for more comments. |
Of course we would all like more 'valid' comments, your suggestion just wouldn't work (like my current challenge entry lol).
I you want comments start a thread with your image post challenge ;)
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08/29/2008 03:37:12 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Oh Prash you sure jumped in with both feet. Good for you!
On the topic, if you want more real and beneficial comments the best thing to do is to start a thread asking for a critique of the image after the challenge is over. You will get plenty of comments that will help you. Trying to make comments mandatory wont happen. My stance is I pay to play and I give comments only when I feel compelled to do so. If DPC made commenting mandatory I would no longer participate in challenges. This is for fun it is not a duty or a job. |
Thank you.
Would you still not prefer it if you had to write comment for just every vote you casted for at least 20% of the total pool? |
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08/29/2008 03:37:23 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Hatchet:
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If that has butter and salt on it, can I have some? :-D |
It's loaded with salt and butter!! Help yourself Barry!! :)
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08/29/2008 03:37:40 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by bassbone:
To force people to comment when they vote would guarantee that very few would vote. Considering we have challenges with 200 to 500 entries, the typical entry only gets about 200 votes anyway. Cut that in less than half, and a single vote would have a pretty substantial impact.
Encouraging commenting is one thing, forcing it makes no sense |
But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters? |
An inspired comment is always much better than a forced one.
Does the following make sense as a comment?
as;krtuapn;up;
Really fast to do that and move on when not inspired to say anything.
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08/29/2008 03:39:03 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by bassbone:
To force people to comment when they vote would guarantee that very few would vote. Considering we have challenges with 200 to 500 entries, the typical entry only gets about 200 votes anyway. Cut that in less than half, and a single vote would have a pretty substantial impact.
Encouraging commenting is one thing, forcing it makes no sense |
But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters? |
An inspired comment is always much better than a forced one.
Does the following make sense as a comment?
as;krtuapn;up;
Really fast to do that and move on when not inspired to say anything. |
Thanks, and agreed, but a "as;krtuapn;up;" comment would link you as the owner, and how would that make you look as a commenter? My point is, that would be discouraged automatically, no?
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08/29/2008 03:39:49 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Hatchet:
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If that has butter and salt on it, can I have some? :-D |
Hah.. wouldnt mind one myself. You guys are funny, man!! |
Well.. when they are all through with you, come see me.. by then I'll probably have to feed it to you! You poor dear! :P ! |
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08/29/2008 03:40:06 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Oh Prash you sure jumped in with both feet. Good for you!
On the topic, if you want more real and beneficial comments the best thing to do is to start a thread asking for a critique of the image after the challenge is over. You will get plenty of comments that will help you. Trying to make comments mandatory wont happen. My stance is I pay to play and I give comments only when I feel compelled to do so. If DPC made commenting mandatory I would no longer participate in challenges. This is for fun it is not a duty or a job. |
Thank you.
Would you still not prefer it if you had to write comment for just every vote you casted for at least 20% of the total pool? |
I won't be forced to do anything. I will adhere to the rules but again I pay to play. |
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08/29/2008 03:42:34 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Prash:
Originally posted by bassbone:
To force people to comment when they vote would guarantee that very few would vote. Considering we have challenges with 200 to 500 entries, the typical entry only gets about 200 votes anyway. Cut that in less than half, and a single vote would have a pretty substantial impact.
Encouraging commenting is one thing, forcing it makes no sense |
But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters? |
An inspired comment is always much better than a forced one.
Does the following make sense as a comment?
as;krtuapn;up;
Really fast to do that and move on when not inspired to say anything. |
Thanks, and agreed, but a "as;krtuapn;up;" comment would link you as the owner, and how would that make you look as a commenter? My point is, that would be discouraged automatically, no? |
No, it would just say that the image didn't inspire a comment.
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08/29/2008 03:44:21 PM · #40 |
Best way to solve the problem is to not be part of it. Simply make an effort to set the example and leave useful comments on the shots you vote on. Making yourself figure out why you do or don't like an entry is also one of the learning experiences that can improve your own photography.
And yes, it's a  topic, but it comes up pretty regularly for good reason. |
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08/29/2008 04:04:26 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Prash:
But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters? |
I have faithfully voted on every image in every challenge since I became a member of this site over six years ago (with VERY few exceptions). Are you saying votes I have cast without a comment are not "serious" votes, then? |
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08/29/2008 04:12:37 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by Prash:
But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters? |
I have faithfully voted on every image in every challenge since I became a member of this site over six years ago (with VERY few exceptions). Are you saying votes I have cast without a comment are not "serious" votes, then? |
Oh, now you did it! Muahahahaha! Who has the popcorn?
Comments should never be mandatory imho. Your best comments are from people that are compelled to do so because the photograph said something to them (not literally, so don't you all go there) whether good or bad. As much as we would all like, you'll never be able to force someone to comment.
Now...who has the popcorn. :P |
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08/29/2008 04:18:15 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
That concept (negative reaction to comments) is so overblown IMO. |
It may happen infrequently, but when it happens it has an impact. Perhaps that's why it's seen as a problem. I got three PM's from people last week after leaving comments on their entries. Two thanked me, which was nice, but by writing they also identified which entries were theirs. The third person said he appreciated the feedback but that he didn't appreciate being accused of breaking the rules (not what I said, but oh well). Maybe I should switch preferences so my identity remains hidden during voting. |
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08/29/2008 04:18:28 PM · #44 |
For the record, I would hate to read through 50 comments let alone 100 if it were mandatory on any image of mine.... Imagine how many would say the exact same thing, over & over & over.. You'll come to find that even when you create an image that sparks a lot of comments, many of them are the same..
I feel that comments are simply that..Comments.. Odds are, you're never going to receive a comment that makes you say, a-ha !!!, now I see what I did wrong.. :-).. I appreciate the ones I get even if they aren't helpfull or if they are hurtfull..It means someone took the time to share a thought they were having about something I created and I leave it at that.. |
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08/29/2008 04:18:42 PM · #45 |
oops--damn!
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 16:45:07. |
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08/29/2008 04:20:01 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Prash:
Having been a part of the first challenge, I feel there is a need for more people to comment and not just troll (I realized the same myself, because the comments arent mandatory, I would just keep rating the pictures and move on).
So heres the big question: Why cant we make comments mandatory?
First I thought we do that only if someone rates a picture <=4.. but then everybody would tend to give at least a 5 to avoid writing one.
There are a few downsides I still see here:
[1] People might just garble instead of commenting -> but perhaps one can find out who did that after voting ends.
[2] People might 'copy/paste' same comment to all pics -> again, one risks their credibility if it becomes known who is doing that.
I feel this could work.
What do you guys think?? |
It is most effective when you lead by example. |
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08/29/2008 04:29:06 PM · #47 |
Forced to comment? Here is the first ten for you:
'Nice Picture'
'OK'
'Yup. That's a flower'
'Nice.'
'5'
'I like it'
'DNMC'
'1'
'cute'
'pretty'
You can't force people to provide good comments. What you can do is ask for them though.
:)
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 16:29:18.
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08/29/2008 04:34:25 PM · #48 |
As much as i would love it for everyone to comment on my picture, i would hate to be forced to do so.
But, i gotta say, i hate seeing a 1, and no explanation. Especially when there is not a single 2 or 3. |
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08/29/2008 04:44:36 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by Prash:
But that would also guarantee only serious guys vote, no? Are you saying you are ok with 1000 trollers who make voting a roller caster ride, as opposed to 100 serius voters? |
I have faithfully voted on every image in every challenge since I became a member of this site over six years ago (with VERY few exceptions). Are you saying votes I have cast without a comment are not "serious" votes, then? |
Oh, now you did it! Muahahahaha! Who has the popcorn?
Comments should never be mandatory imho. Your best comments are from people that are compelled to do so because the photograph said something to them (not literally, so don't you all go there) whether good or bad. As much as we would all like, you'll never be able to force someone to comment.
Now...who has the popcorn. :P |
I do!! I do!! Cop a squat and join the party... this is fun!!
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08/29/2008 04:46:18 PM · #50 |
YAWWWWWN!
Message edited by author 2008-08-29 16:46:32. |
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