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 09/12/2008 09:03:11 AM · #76
Originally posted by david_c:
I think SC might be a tad busy next weekend validating entries on this one. :-)


They gotta validate their own first...LMAO!
 09/12/2008 09:12:19 AM · #77
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by liberty:
Does anyone know if we're having a thursday challenge from now on? or is this a one time thing?


Ohhhh don't confuse the issue....we already have the nudie police, too artistic police, too abstract police, too processed police, not processed enough police, too many challenges police, not enough challenges police....do we really need a Thursday Challenge police squad too?????

There is enough bitching on this site...let whatever happens happen...and let's just get on with it.

I swear....this feels like a damn preschool playground sometimes....squabbling over each others milk and cookies!


On behalf of the Dynamic-is-Visual-and-not-Literary police, I would like to record that we take exception to being mixed up with the aforementioned amateurs.
 09/12/2008 09:12:19 AM · #78
We sometimes take exception twice.

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 09:13:01.
 09/12/2008 09:12:20 AM · #79
or even three times

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 09:13:18.
 09/12/2008 09:15:08 AM · #80
Minimal Editing is intended as a Ć¢€œstraight from the cameraĆ¢€ test of skill, and allows only the adjustments essential to convert your original image into a form acceptable for submission on DPChallenge. Most editing tools are not permitted under these rules.

simple put i,d say?
 09/12/2008 09:26:17 AM · #81
I like the minimal editing of the image, but I do not like the inability to use RAW or the inability to crop. RAW I understand because of all the edits you can do in RAW, but it would seems those would be obvious on validation... You may like the JPG produced by Lightroom with no adjustments to the built-in camera software.

Cropping also is not an edit of the content as much as a selection of the area to show. Since our cameras shoot well over the 640/720 pixel limit, being able to choose to take a subset of the image vs. shrinking the whole thing down seems like it would be an allowable option.

Just some thoughts.
 09/12/2008 09:29:26 AM · #82
Originally posted by Ken:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I was reading the minimal editing rules and it says you can sharpen but not with USM. Is smart sharpen allowed?

No, it is not.


Only Filter/Sharpen/Sharpen....that way the computer applies the sharpening wich means you have no control over the sharpening. Once resize and one sharpen....no spot editing...leave the dust there...only JPEG it, no changing to BW, and only one resize and sharpen, save for web....that's it!


But can you shoot in B&W?


Yes and you can desaturate too.
 09/12/2008 09:33:33 AM · #83
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
I like the minimal editing of the image, but I do not like the inability to use RAW or the inability to crop. RAW I understand because of all the edits you can do in RAW, but it would seems those would be obvious on validation... You may like the JPG produced by Lightroom with no adjustments to the built-in camera software.

Cropping also is not an edit of the content as much as a selection of the area to show. Since our cameras shoot well over the 640/720 pixel limit, being able to choose to take a subset of the image vs. shrinking the whole thing down seems like it would be an allowable option.

Just some thoughts.


1. Not all RAW converters default to camera presets, so that's not gonna work. If you hate the idea of "losing" a potential great image because it's shot in JPG, shoot RAW + JPG and submit the JPG.

2. While cropping may not be an "edit" in your mind (and I understand your concept), the CHALLENGE is to get everything about the image right straight-from-camera. It's pretty simple, really; frame it right, expose it right, be sure the horizon's level, etc etc, and submit :-)

R.
 09/12/2008 09:44:05 AM · #84
My only problem with the no cropping rule is that I do not see the entire image in my view finder (I know there is a term for that!) so no matter how carefully I compose, my shot will include more. It is hard to judge just by looking at the preview and it may not be possible to re-shoot.
 09/12/2008 09:52:10 AM · #85
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
I like the minimal editing of the image, but I do not like the inability to use RAW or the inability to crop. RAW I understand because of all the edits you can do in RAW, but it would seems those would be obvious on validation... You may like the JPG produced by Lightroom with no adjustments to the built-in camera software.

Cropping also is not an edit of the content as much as a selection of the area to show. Since our cameras shoot well over the 640/720 pixel limit, being able to choose to take a subset of the image vs. shrinking the whole thing down seems like it would be an allowable option.

Just some thoughts.


1. Not all RAW converters default to camera presets, so that's not gonna work. If you hate the idea of "losing" a potential great image because it's shot in JPG, shoot RAW + JPG and submit the JPG.

2. While cropping may not be an "edit" in your mind (and I understand your concept), the CHALLENGE is to get everything about the image right straight-from-camera. It's pretty simple, really; frame it right, expose it right, be sure the horizon's level, etc etc, and submit :-)

R.


Yeah, yeah yeah. :) :) :)

My camera allows in-camera conversion and adjustments. I don't see where that's not allowed. :) Picture the camera as Photoshop!
 09/12/2008 10:02:00 AM · #86
Originally posted by Judi:


It doesn't specify that you are only allowed to do it once, and yet I remember this image of Scalvert's got DQ'ed for Sharpening more than once, although it may be the type of Sharpening he applied on the second round of Sharpening.



Surely it was DQ'd for the awful title!
 09/12/2008 10:04:23 AM · #87
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

My camera allows in-camera conversion and adjustments. I don't see where that's not allowed. :) Picture the camera as Photoshop!


I believe in camera 'post processing' is not allowed. SC, is that correct?
 09/12/2008 10:06:08 AM · #88
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

My camera allows in-camera conversion and adjustments. I don't see where that's not allowed. :) Picture the camera as Photoshop!


I believe in camera 'post processing' is not allowed. SC, is that correct?


That is correct, anything your camera is capable of doing WHILE THE SHOT IS TAKEN is what is allowed.

Again, from the rules that are inexplicably so hard to understand: use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.

09/12/2008 10:18:52 AM · #89
Originally posted by chaimelle:
My only problem with the no cropping rule is that I do not see the entire image in my view finder (I know there is a term for that!) so no matter how carefully I compose, my shot will include more. It is hard to judge just by looking at the preview and it may not be possible to re-shoot.


Yeah, that's a bummer but we gotta live with it for these occasional "minimal" challenges... I have that problem as well. Plus dust spots of course: remember WE CAN'T CLONE DUST SPOTS IN THIS RULESET...

R.
 09/12/2008 10:23:25 AM · #90
I suppose the way around a dirty sensor is to avoid small apertures for this challenge.
 09/12/2008 10:24:29 AM · #91
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
I suppose the way around a dirty sensor is to avoid small apertures for this challenge.

Or clean the sensor...where is that steel wool...
 09/12/2008 10:33:22 AM · #92
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
I suppose the way around a dirty sensor is to avoid small apertures for this challenge.

Or clean the sensor...where is that steel wool...


I let the dog lick mine...

R.
09/12/2008 10:41:26 AM · #93
Works for me!
 09/12/2008 10:47:13 AM · #94
Originally posted by violinist123:
Again, from the rules that are inexplicably so hard to understand: use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.

I have several features that will allow me to take a monochrome shot with priority on the green, yellow, red or blue tones. Additionally, I have in-camera "gel" options on the monochrome hue like orange, blue, green or sepia. The JPEG right out of the camera has no associated full-colour JPEG...does that mean these features were applied while I was photographing my entry, or were they applied after the entry was photographed but before the file was downloaded to my PC? There is a bit of ambiguity, come on...admit it.
 09/12/2008 10:48:37 AM · #95
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Again, from the rules that are inexplicably so hard to understand: use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.

I have several features that will allow me to take a monochrome shot with priority on the green, yellow, red or blue tones. Additionally, I have in-camera "gel" options on the monochrome hue like orange, blue, green or sepia. The JPEG right out of the camera has no associated full-colour JPEG...does that mean these features were applied while I was photographing my entry, or were they applied after the entry was photographed but before the file was downloaded to my PC? There is a bit of ambiguity, come on...admit it.


They were applied after you tripped the shutter and before the jpg was written to your memory card. Where's the ambiguity?
 09/12/2008 10:55:15 AM · #96
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Again, from the rules that are inexplicably so hard to understand: use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.

I have several features that will allow me to take a monochrome shot with priority on the green, yellow, red or blue tones. Additionally, I have in-camera "gel" options on the monochrome hue like orange, blue, green or sepia. The JPEG right out of the camera has no associated full-colour JPEG...does that mean these features were applied while I was photographing my entry, or were they applied after the entry was photographed but before the file was downloaded to my PC? There is a bit of ambiguity, come on...admit it.


They were applied after you tripped the shutter and before the jpg was written to your memory card. Where's the ambiguity?


EVERYTHING we preset in our cameras is applied to the RAW data AFTER the image is captured and BEFORE it is written to memory.

R.
 09/12/2008 11:06:45 AM · #97
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

My camera allows in-camera conversion and adjustments. I don't see where that's not allowed. :) Picture the camera as Photoshop!


I believe in camera 'post processing' is not allowed. SC, is that correct?


That is correct, anything your camera is capable of doing WHILE THE SHOT IS TAKEN is what is allowed.

Again, from the rules that are inexplicably so hard to understand: use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.


No, they are not hard to understand. They are hard to MEMORIZE. :)
 09/12/2008 11:08:51 AM · #98
Wish I had a stash of ND filters to sell.
 09/12/2008 11:09:31 AM · #99
Originally posted by violinist123:
Originally posted by david_c:
Originally posted by violinist123:
Again, from the rules that are inexplicably so hard to understand: use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.

I have several features that will allow me to take a monochrome shot with priority on the green, yellow, red or blue tones. Additionally, I have in-camera "gel" options on the monochrome hue like orange, blue, green or sepia. The JPEG right out of the camera has no associated full-colour JPEG...does that mean these features were applied while I was photographing my entry, or were they applied after the entry was photographed but before the file was downloaded to my PC? There is a bit of ambiguity, come on...admit it.


They were applied after you tripped the shutter and before the jpg was written to your memory card. Where's the ambiguity?


Well he *IS* right. The conversion to JPG is after-sensor post-processing. But you're right too.
 09/12/2008 11:11:34 AM · #100
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:


Well he *IS* right. The conversion to JPG is after-sensor post-processing. But you're right too.


Huh? Any in-camera effects other than multi-exposure applied between sensor and flash mem = good. Anything else = cheating.

Message edited by author 2008-09-12 11:12:16.
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