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05/13/2004 04:25:38 PM · #301 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
your 1st one is feesable.. |
No I'm pretty sure he is right on the money with all 7! I beleve I posted something similar a few pages back as well...
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05/13/2004 04:43:19 PM · #302 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Famous quotes, many pertain to these conversations.
"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"
-from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218. |
So I take it then, that you feel that you would rather live under Muslim rule ( e.g. the Taliban, like they had in Afghanistan ) than live under Christian rule. True?
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."--Pat Robertson, 1993 interview with Molly Ivins |
What group or groups in America do you think is/are the target of more discrimination than Evangelical Christians? And not only supported by, but even proscribed by the government.
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92 |
Do you not think that the white minority should have a right to demand a protection of their rights?
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992 |
Do you really think that the feminist agenda is about equal rights for women? ( I do think that most of Pat's conclusions are a bit over the top - though I do agree that the feminist agenda is political and anti-family )
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
(talking about Planned Parenthood) "It is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism-everything that the Bible condemns."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 4/9/91 |
What do YOU think that Planned Parenthood is all about?
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92 |
He claims to be an Evangelical Christian, speaking on a show that supports the Evangelical Christian agenda, and he is accurately paraphrasing what the Bible says. Do you have a problem with that?
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
George Bush Senior, during a conservative fundraiser |
I think that George Bush Senior has the right to state his opinion based on his religious beliefs. Don't you?
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"I really believe that the pagans, the abortionists, the feminists, and the gays, and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who tried to secularize America --- I point the finger in their face and say 'You helped this happen'."
Jerry Falwell
700 Club (Morning Edition), September 13, 2001
(on who is to blame for the September 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon) |
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of their depravity. Jerry feels that God is punishing the U.S. for the same reason. I can see why he, as a Christian, might feel this way.
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
i mean, wtf is this crap? this man was president and his son is now president. how is such a small minded man able to have the highest seat in the land? |
Arnold Schwarzenegger's father was a Nazi. Arnold is governor of California. The Jewish Cultural Society of Austria says of Arnold: "That his father was a Nazi, does not mean he has the same views. As far as we can tell, he has a good reputation on Jewish matters in California."
So, to coin a phrase in your own verbiage: wtf is your point in posting this crap?
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05/13/2004 04:52:07 PM · #303 |
| i think you made my points. |
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05/13/2004 05:09:51 PM · #304 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
I think you made my points |
So let me summarize "your points" that "I" made:
1) You would rather live under Muslim rule than Christian rule.
2) You don't know of a single group that is the target of more discrimination than Evangelical Christians.
3) You don't think that the white minority should have a right to demand a protection of their rights.
4) You really think that the feminist agenda is about equal rights
5) You think that Planned Parenthood is really about pregnancy prevention, and pre-natal health counseling.
6) You have a problem with someone stating his opinions about a subject on a show that was paid for by a group that supports that opinion.
7) No one has the right to state his/her opinion based on his/her religious beliefs
8) No one has the right to believe that social depravity has unexpected consequences
9) A man/woman whose father/mother makes statements that we don't agree with should not be considered for any position of authority.
I thought so.
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05/13/2004 05:16:15 PM · #305 |
| lol ok Ron, you got my number |
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05/13/2004 05:33:17 PM · #306 |
Originally posted by rcrawford:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
[quote=rcrawford]
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I don't understand. Is this sarcasm or are you serious? |
Dead serious..
What happened in Kosovo
Message edited by author 2004-05-13 17:40:50. |
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05/13/2004 05:51:06 PM · #307 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
George Bush Senior, during a conservative fundraiser |
I think that George Bush Senior has the right to state his opinion based on his religious beliefs. Don't you? |
If he'd only be honest and preface his remarks with "You know, the Founding Fathers really got this wrong with this Constitution and no government religion and stuff ... I wish we could do away with all that and start over the the right people in charge ..."
If he said it while President, I'd say he'd violated his oath of office to faithfully uphold and execute the Constitution and carry out its provisions. Otherwise, I'd say he's exercising his First Amendment rights to call for the overthrow of the Federal Government, perhaps to be replaced with a less disingenuous version of the "one dollar/one vote" corporate oligarchy we currently enjoy.
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"I really believe that the pagans, the abortionists, the feminists, and the gays, and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who tried to secularize America --- I point the finger in their face and say 'You helped this happen'."
Jerry Falwell
700 Club (Morning Edition), September 13, 2001
(on who is to blame for the September 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon) |
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of their depravity. |
Tape at 11:00
(verse 3)
Turn around, go back down, back the way you came
Terror is on every side, Lo! the leaders are dismayed
Those who put their faith in fire, in fire their faith shall be repaid
O God, the pride of man, broken in the dust again
(verse 4)
Turn around, go back down, back the way you came
Shout a warning to the nations that the sword of God is raised
On Babylon*, that mighty city, rich in treasure, wide in fame
It shall cause thy tower to fall and make of the a pyre of flame
(coda)
O, thou that dwell on many waters
Rich in treasure, wide in fame
To bow unto a god of gold
Thy pride of might shall be thy shame
Oh, God, the pride of man broken in the dust again
And only God can lead the people back into the earth again
Thy holy mountain be restored
And mercy on thy people Lord!
--Hamilton Camp,** Pride of Man***
*Babylon is in what is modern-day Iraq, but I always thought it was a metaphor for New York or any other large Westernized city.
**Singer/Actor/Producer, a friend of my mom's.
***I have a cover of this "my band" did in the late 80's -- if anyone wants me to post an MP3 file I'll track it down and digitize it ...
Message edited by author 2004-05-13 17:53:36. |
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05/13/2004 06:10:59 PM · #308 |
WOW,
Alot of replys, sorry i didnt read all of them. This is just my opinion! Yes it is wrong to treat them this way! But ask anyone who has lost a Husbad, Wife, Daughter, Son, or any loved one who has fallen in the hands of terror, If they care if its wrong or right? If Sadam was still in controll of this prision, they would be dead or be reciving much worse! please forgive my spelling! Plus give the fact that these were Reservist who do not get the training that Active Duty gets every day! I cant belive ( Being a Active Duty Army Soldier myself) That the Soldiers in question were not told to do so by Higher Chain of Command! I belive the CIA was a big factor in this! This is just my opinion. And my bad grammer and spelling! Who is to say that these pictures are not Photoshopped? (LOL) Just my 2 cents. please dont take it personal...frankly im sick of hearing about all of this :) peace out |
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05/13/2004 06:14:14 PM · #309 |
Originally posted by rcrawford:
Yesterday I ask the question: "George W. Bush calls a summit with Bin Laden, Saddam, Arafat and the other powerful leaders of the Jihad; what would be the terms of surrender and would you be willing to agree to them." So far no one has directly answered the question so I thought I would share my take on what the terms may look like.
1. America must stop supporting Israel and allow them to be destroyed.
2. America must withdraw all troops, close all military bases and relinquish all control of any civilian interests in the Muslim world.
3. America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the world.
4. America must surrender the concept of "separation of church and state".
5. America must convert to Islam and live under its rules.
6. All women will submit to men.
7. Failure to comply will result in punishment as determined in the Koran.
I'm basing this on my limited understanding of the radical fundamentalist that are calling for the Jihad in the first place and I'm basing it on what they are trying to do to Saudi Arabia and Iran and what they did do in Afghanistan.
This is my fear and explains why I am so passionate about what is happening and so afraid of what will happen if we lose. Please tell me where I am wrong. |
1. America must stop supporting Israel and allow them to be destroyed.
(America must let them work out their own problems with the Muslims.)
2. America must withdraw all troops, close all military bases and relinquish all control of any civilian interests in the Muslim world.
(Yes get out of where you are not welcome. If there are Muslim countries where you are welcome, then fine stay.)
3. America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the world.
(America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the Muslim world. The world is not a colony of the United States.)
4. America must surrender the concept of "separation of church and state".
(If you listen to the Pat Robertsons of the world, church and state should be one. You can't have it both ways.)
5. America must convert to Islam and live under its rules.
(Dramatics. Give me a break.)
6. All women will submit to men.
(That's something the Pat Robertson's and the Muslims agree on. Imagine, common ground.)
7. Failure to comply will result in punishment as determined in the Koran.
(Dramatics. Give me a break. Sorry I said that once, didn't I?)
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05/13/2004 06:17:46 PM · #310 |
Hey GeneralE. Please post that MP3. That would be very cool.
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05/13/2004 06:55:35 PM · #311 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Hey GeneralE. Please post that MP3. That would be very cool. |
OK -- it might take me a few days to track down the tapes though! |
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05/13/2004 06:55:45 PM · #312 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by rcrawford:
Yesterday I ask the question: "George W. Bush calls a summit with Bin Laden, Saddam, Arafat and the other powerful leaders of the Jihad; what would be the terms of surrender and would you be willing to agree to them." So far no one has directly answered the question so I thought I would share my take on what the terms may look like.
1. America must stop supporting Israel and allow them to be destroyed.
2. America must withdraw all troops, close all military bases and relinquish all control of any civilian interests in the Muslim world.
3. America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the world.
4. America must surrender the concept of "separation of church and state".
5. America must convert to Islam and live under its rules.
6. All women will submit to men.
7. Failure to comply will result in punishment as determined in the Koran.
I'm basing this on my limited understanding of the radical fundamentalist that are calling for the Jihad in the first place and I'm basing it on what they are trying to do to Saudi Arabia and Iran and what they did do in Afghanistan.
This is my fear and explains why I am so passionate about what is happening and so afraid of what will happen if we lose. Please tell me where I am wrong. |
1. America must stop supporting Israel and allow them to be destroyed.
(America must let them work out their own problems with the Muslims.)
2. America must withdraw all troops, close all military bases and relinquish all control of any civilian interests in the Muslim world.
(Yes get out of where you are not welcome. If there are Muslim countries where you are welcome, then fine stay.)
3. America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the world.
(America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the Muslim world. The world is not a colony of the United States.)
4. America must surrender the concept of "separation of church and state".
(If you listen to the Pat Robertsons of the world, church and state should be one. You can't have it both ways.)
5. America must convert to Islam and live under its rules.
(Dramatics. Give me a break.)
6. All women will submit to men.
(That's something the Pat Robertson's and the Muslims agree on. Imagine, common ground.)
7. Failure to comply will result in punishment as determined in the Koran.
(Dramatics. Give me a break. Sorry I said that once, didn't I?) |
Dramatic yes but is it true? Based on what I saw the Taliban doing in Afghanistan I truly believe that is their world vision for all of us.
Please explain your logic for not accepting this.
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05/13/2004 07:09:51 PM · #313 |
<<< America must acknowledge the divine right and inevitability of Muslims ruling the Muslim world >>>
Please define the MUSLIM world. Also, please enumerate the rights of those residing in said 'muslim world' who are not muslims or who wish to de-convert from a religion that was 'given' to them not by their request but simply by accident of birth. |
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05/13/2004 07:14:50 PM · #314 |
Single mothers...with the blessing of the CR.
Originally posted by RonB:
What group or groups in America do you think is/are the target of more discrimination than Evangelical Christians? And not only supported by, but even proscribed by the government.
Ron |
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05/13/2004 07:22:18 PM · #315 |
| Is Pat Robertson is an evildoer. |
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05/13/2004 07:29:45 PM · #316 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Is Pat Robertson is an evildoer. |
there is no human on earth who isn't
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05/13/2004 07:29:53 PM · #317 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Is Pat Robertson is an evildoer. |
no no you got it wrong..
this is the eviloer. |
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05/13/2004 07:30:40 PM · #318 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Is Pat Robertson is an evildoer. |
there is no human on earth who isn't |
i resent that. you dont know me and you cant say that for sure. |
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05/13/2004 07:34:39 PM · #319 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Single mothers...with the blessing of the CR.
Originally posted by RonB:
What group or groups in America do you think is/are the target of more discrimination than Evangelical Christians? And not only supported by, but even proscribed by the government.
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Single mothers are prohibited from making statements about single motherhood in schools and colleges? Single mothers are called "extremists", "bonkers" and "delusional" in the press? Single mothers are denied the opportunities to form a group and meet in the same premises that other groups are permitted to meet in? Single mothers area discriminated against by government proscription? Single mothers have been the objects of derisive comments in DPChallenge fora?
Sorry, but I don't think so.
Ron |
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05/13/2004 07:38:28 PM · #320 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Is Pat Robertson is an evildoer. |
there is no human on earth who isn't |
i resent that. you dont know me and you cant say that for sure. |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Is Pat Robertson is an evildoer. |
no no you got it wrong..
this is the eviloer. |
And YOU don't know HIM, but that didn't stop YOU now, did it?
Ron |
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05/13/2004 07:45:15 PM · #321 |
| i know alot more about bush than achiral knows about me, thats for damn sure. |
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05/13/2004 07:46:45 PM · #322 |
just out of curiosity for those that are highly active on these forums and this topic. what are you all doing while your keeping up w/ these forums?
im at work. |
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05/13/2004 07:54:34 PM · #323 |
Originally posted by rcrawford:
Dramatic yes but is it true? Based on what I saw the Taliban doing in Afghanistan I truly believe that is their world vision for all of us.
Please explain your logic for not accepting this. |
That's the Taliban, not the whole Islam faith. They are extremists. Do you think all Muslims are extremists? If so, then I guess you think all Christians are fanatics too. I'm sure certain factions of the Muslim faith think they are the "chosen" and everything has to be as prophesized by Mohammed. Some Christians believe in their heart of hearts that they are the chosen ones too - some in the Christian right probably even think everyone should convert to Christianity and that America should rule the world for all I know.
I do know, the more the west makes this a fight, a fight against Islam, the more alienated you make the entire Muslim world, even those who are not hardline.
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05/13/2004 07:58:26 PM · #324 |
| Of course I know it is the extremists that we are talking about but when and where do you intend to stop them? |
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05/13/2004 08:57:30 PM · #325 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
i know alot more about bush than achiral knows about me, thats for damn sure. |
i don't need to know anything about you, that's the beauty of it :)
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