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05/07/2004 09:15:05 AM · #26

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Originally posted by orussell:

...dig a big pit around the whole frikken country, fill it with burning oil so no one can escape, and carpet bomb the whole country. Have it over with, once and for all. Would that make you happy Russell2566? Guess Halliburton et al wouldn't go for that though because it would make stealing the oil too uneconomical. Plus look at all the wasted oil. Shame.

Wow your right up there with GerneralE, I'm gonna have to start writing foot notes for you too. I would like you to re-read my post again and do it this time with your head OUT of your ass...

LOLOL. You're just too funny. I'm actually too short, fat, and inflexible, plus my head is way too inflated and my ass far too tight, to ever do that. But thanks for the concern in anycase.

So you think my suggestion is overkill (pun intended)? What degree of torture would you recommend to Bush if you were his chief of staff?

05/07/2004 09:42:43 AM · #27

Well I know this, and my thought is not politically correct, so some of you might want to shield your eyes.

I've done lots of thinking, and I've come to the decision that I think I came to an incorrect conclusion about the interrogation techniques used in Iraq originally (I was completely against them). Then I used common sense instead of feelings (I bash the left for NOT doing it all the time)

I no longer have any problems with what they did. I don't think it needs to be covered up or hidden. We do how-ever have to seriously consider changing our tactics a bit, BUT ONLY due to the over blown media response, BECAUSE THEY ARE ANTI-BUSH, but I don't feel it was wrong. Here is my reasoning.

The prisoners that were being humiliated (I refuse to say tortured, because it was EXTREMELY far from that) were TERRORISTS, say it again, TERRORISTS (yes it makes a difference)... Not only does the military NEED (not just want) information from these guys, but we as Americans and British and what ever else EXPECT them to get the information.

We want the murder of Coalition troops who are there to only do good to stop, we want larger weapons and weapon caches confiscated/destroyed, we want money trains shut down, we want foreign terrorists exported, stopped and or killed (mostly killed) and so on and so forth...

Well I'm sorry, the information we need to acomplish this is not obtained through cookies and milk or even sleep deprivation. While I believe the interrogations need a closer eye and more scrutiny, the fact that they can not even perform sleep depravation (which has poor results) without permission is PATHETIC and best.

I hate to say it, but this is a battle won by the bad guys, we are the big losers in this hand of cards.

This point of view might make me less civilized or humane, but I don't think we have the luxury right now to be overly politically correct. At some point we need to wake up. The left claims to support the troops, but they don't want to give them any ACTUAL support. Instead they attempt to tie their hands at every turn.

More troops will die because we no longer have good means of gathering information from terrorists who can withstand simple methods. It also means that higher prized targets that we ABSOLUTELY HAVE to get information from, will have to be exported to other US Friendly countries that DO NOT care how they get information from some one. I'm sure that has happening

I am not embarrassed about my opinion, just the fact that it took me 4 days to come to it. I actually support our troops and the MANY friends that have fighting over there. I am ashamed of both my original response (partially due to media coverage admittedly) and EXTREMELY ashamed of my countries reaction and even more so of her politicians.

How Dare anyone use this event for political gain only, this is distressing and pitiful.

Message edited by author 2004-05-07 11:52:09.

05/07/2004 10:09:01 AM · #28

We (the west) had no business going in there in the first place. Right now, by being there, we are only fanning the flames of hatred against the west higher and higher, throughout the entire world. If they were really concerned about the casualties and had no worry of losing face in the impending election, they probably would have already pulled out. Would you still support Bush if he pulled out now? Think about it.

You call something shoved up your rectum against your will an interogation technique?

05/07/2004 10:17:56 AM · #29

Originally posted by orussell:

We (the west) had no business going in there in the first place. Right now, by being there, we are only fanning the flames of hatred against the west higher and higher

The flames don't get higher, it can only get better. You can argue we had no business being there (I disagree) but no one else would have done it.

I bet you bitch and moan about North Korea, well Noth Korea was Clinton's Iraq (obviously not exactly), only he chose to sign a treaty along with Carter to obtain a false sense of security. Well now due to his complete disreguard post treaty and complete failure on the UN's part to enforce it, NK now has nuculear capabilities and we are worried about proliferation, and rightfully so.

I also can guarentee you that if Bush had not gone into Iraq, and 5 years from now he was tied to something serious, or even in the closer time period funding terrorism (i'm sure he was already anyway) you would have cried and whined along with all your liberal friends about how Bush II failed to protect us from Iraq when the future threat was so obvious.

Originally posted by orussell:

Would you still support Bush if he pulled out now? Think about it.

Ya, I mean how dare Bush stay in Iraq and do the right thing, how diplorable!!! I find it amusing that the left feels so offended by someone with morals, conviction and fortitude.

Originally posted by orussell:

You call something shoved up your rectum against your will an interogation technique?

If it works? Also, its better than real interrigation techniques. Maybe you should do some research on the topic, I won't post pictures or links here due to the offensivness of them to some!

Message edited by author 2004-05-07 11:52:18.

05/07/2004 10:28:59 AM · #30

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Ya, I mean how dare Bush stay in Iraq and do the right thing, how diplorable!!! I find it amusing that the left feels so offended by someone with morals, conviction and fortitude.

Big daddy should have stayed there and finished the job during Desert Storm, when there was a reason to be there, ie. protecting a neighbouring country. The payoff just wasn't big enough was it?

05/07/2004 10:33:53 AM · #31

Originally posted by orussell:

Big daddy should have stayed there and finished the job during Desert Storm, when there was a reason to be there, ie. protecting a neighbouring country. The payoff just wasn't big enough was it?

Your fearless United Nations wouldn't let him... The ONLY reason the UN support the Gulf War 1 was because the US SWORE not to overthrow Saddam and promise not to occupy or become a police force (basically stay for as short a time as possible).

Bush 1 had no choice!

Message edited by author 2004-05-07 11:51:41.

05/07/2004 10:36:37 AM · #32

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Originally posted by orussell:

Big daddy should have stayed there and finished the job during Desert Storm, when there was a reason to be there, ie. protecting a neighbouring country. The payoff just wasn't big enough was it?

Your fearless United Nations wouldn't let him... The ONLY reason the UN support the Gulf War 1 was because the US SWORE not to overthrow Saddam and promise not to occupy or become a police force (basically stay for as short a time as possible).

Bush 1 had no choice!

Like the United Nations is going to tell a Bush what to do. Short memory or something?