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05/21/2004 12:06:01 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Of course all the entries with four or more images that share a common subject should be rated as a three or less, they are gross and show no originality.
Shots like this toilet are so bad that even though some people would call it one of the most important shots of modernist photography ( taken in 1925 by some guy named Edward Weston so its not even done with a digital camera ) I would never give it above a three cause there are so many toilet shots in this challenge. |
Brilliant
And I thought you yanks didn't understand irony |
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05/21/2004 12:08:04 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by bobdaveant:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Of course all the entries with four or more images that share a common subject should be rated as a three or less, they are gross and show no originality.
Shots like this toilet are so bad that even though some people would call it one of the most important shots of modernist photography ( taken in 1925 by some guy named Edward Weston so its not even done with a digital camera ) I would never give it above a three cause there are so many toilet shots in this challenge. |
I would disagree with your statement, if this was true your picture depicting fire and ice in the opposites challenge, which I gave high marks would have rated very low. Artistically and technically well done, a common chosen theme picture can still be rated high in my book. |
I think you missed the sarcasm in Brennan's typing.
But the example he provides is the best toilet pic I've seen. I don't recall seeing any of the others having artistic value. Though there's a range of aesthetics and quality shown, and personally, I simply rated them as I saw them from an aesthetics point of view. |
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05/21/2004 12:11:30 PM · #28 |
I like this toilet pic :P
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05/21/2004 12:39:09 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by beckettboots:
Originally posted by indianzfan:
How many bad pictures of nail biting, nose picking and smoking do I have to look at? |
You don't have to look at any of them.
I admit that I chose a bad habit to depict - but the challenge was habits and though I wouldn't call many of them pretty photos, I'd say that many that people are complaining about are well done. |
I would call a photo well done if it depicts its subject in a new and interesting way. It should be visually appealing. This is not to say it has to be pretty. I love Diane Arbus' work but I wouldn't call her photos pretty. I don't mind gross but at least be creative about it.
A good many of the photos I've voted on so far have just been very literal depictions of a habit. Perhaps the focus and lighting were decent but that is not all there is to a good photograph.
Edited: I actually gave a couple of nose picking shots good scores. One was quite beautiful in terms of pure tone and texture. The other was a well done portrait with a very appealing and natural child.
I'm of the school that anything can be a great subject in the hands (and eyes) of a great photographer, even a toilet. I gave a pretty high score to a toilet in a recent challenge. I gave this a six. The only thing I didn't like was the reflection of the photographer.
Message edited by author 2004-05-21 12:49:53. |
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05/21/2004 12:48:49 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by indianzfan:
How many bad pictures of nail biting, nose picking and smoking do I have to look at? There are too many of the same pictures. How do you take a nice picture of a toilet lid? Answer: You don't! |
Well, I had an original idea that people seem not to think it's a habit, so I guess this is a catch 22. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Ya just can't win!
June
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05/21/2004 12:55:16 PM · #31 |
I was trying to come up with a good habit.
Being married, I learned to put the seat back down.
I did this shot of a toilet, but bet nobody has seen one like this:
 Titled: Evil lurks if you leave it up.
PS auto-levels turned the whites to blue and I left it that way.
Chose not to use it in the competition though.
:)
Message edited by author 2004-05-21 12:59:24. |
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05/21/2004 01:42:16 PM · #32 |
From my point of view, the idea is the first 50% of the shot... In a challenge, if i see more that two three pictures of the same idea, it is a bad idea to me. We have to got past the first level or maybe the first though.
For idea about any challenge, i ask around and write it down... if more that 2-3 peoples give me the same idea, it is reject right away... after i get the least evident one, and try to make it a good photo, with style, technique and the WOW factor.
Event if my score sucks from now on, i make better and better each challenge and i think this is the goal of the exercice. when you take your picture, it the best one, when you compare... you see if it is the best one. You should compare to the best of us !
I take the challenge as an evaluation of my idea with others... and this is really though competition out there... if my picture is in the 50 first out of 400 i am happy !
Thanks :-)
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05/21/2004 01:51:36 PM · #33 |
| Personally I feel that originality comes from how the subject is presented, not the subject itself. |
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05/21/2004 03:04:53 PM · #34 |
I have to agree. For me, participating in these challenges provides me an oportunity to interact with my peers. I appreciate the comments and use them to improve my work. Let's face it art is subjective.
There are a lot of talented photographers here as well as several struggling photographers. The fact that you are participating at all, validates your efforts.
Originally posted by cghubbell:
I admit I was getting a bit bored with the nail biting, nose picking, etc. But, taking a step back, there were definitely one or two which *were* done artistically, and with good technical composition (well, by my standards anyway!). That made them stand out even more from the images which were quick depictions of a cliche habit.
I think the key with the open challenges is to try to find the below-average pictures which exhibit potential and help that person to find their next stepping stone through comments. It's especially easy to vote an open challenge so harshly the person feels rejected from the community rather than drawn into it. It takes some time build up an immunity to critique, and an appreciation for the terseness that may come with commenting on large numbers of (potentially similar) shots. |
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05/21/2004 03:06:42 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I like this toilet pic :P
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Hrm, first sheep and now Setz on the potty... I think DPC is starting to warp you! |
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05/21/2004 07:36:20 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by BradP:
I was trying to come up with a good habit.
Being married, I learned to put the seat back down.
I did this shot of a toilet, but bet nobody has seen one like this:
Titled: Evil lurks if you leave it up.
PS auto-levels turned the whites to blue and I left it that way.
Chose not to use it in the competition though.
:) |
If you'd entered this, you would have gotten high marks from me. I like the light effect very much! |
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05/21/2004 07:44:25 PM · #37 |
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05/21/2004 07:47:03 PM · #38 |
Thanks for the compliment.
I do like the feeling & mood, but I couldn't get the composition right (in my mind anyway). The one I did enter was of a completely different subject and is doing awesome (Best ever)
So far:
Votes: 188
Avg Vote: 6.8511
Comments: 27
Tap tap tap...
(my foot tapping the floor waiting to see the golden words under my submission: "This photo has been validated" - seems someone thinks I may have cheated, which I didn't. Very little PP was actually done)
Tap tap tap... |
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05/21/2004 08:08:32 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by indianzfan:
Originally posted by jmlelii:
keep in mind its an open challenge. Feel free to give me a 10 though! |
In other words, open challenges bring out bad photographers? |
It's not just the open challenges. I just put a few really bad ones in the members challenge.
Life sucks as a photographer.
Sorry I am just in a really bad mood. grrrr....
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05/21/2004 11:55:06 PM · #40 |
| My original plan for the habits challenge was to show a game of solitaire in progress and title it 'Playing With Who?'. The answer of course is with oneself, which would be the habit alluded to indirectly. I decided not to as I thought it may be in questionable taste, so I used the cards to show a poker hand instead. |
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05/22/2004 12:16:25 AM · #41 |
I didn't like having to look at shot after shot of bad habits, but that was entirely the result of the challenge topic. A number of the shots of toilets and nasal spelunkers were actually pretty good. The only ones that I rated poorly were those that resulted from someone just pointing a camera at his toilet and pressing the button. I gave much higher scores to the people who gave the photo some thought and tried to make something out of an ordinary subject.
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05/22/2004 01:27:07 AM · #42 |
frychikn, cou you edit your post or can an SC member do it? You tell us what your entry is...
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05/22/2004 06:05:51 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I like this toilet pic :P
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This image meets the habits challenge in 4 ways:
1-There is an ash tray with accumulated cigarette butts.
2-The waste basket in the backgound is allowed to overfill before being emptied.
3-He studies serious photographers in the john. (Perhaps reads magazines of a different nature there too)
4-John does not wear underwear. :)
Rating: 10
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05/22/2004 07:04:24 AM · #44 |
| My picture was rather disgusting to me too, but it is a bad habit I have and I didnt think of any other way to depict it at the time. (no toilets, smoking, boogers or fingernails) I am new to this site and I am submiting to the open challenges a few times to decide whether or not to pay to join. I cant see joining if no matter how good my work is, it will always be shot down. Granted the 2 pics I have submitted were not the best, but I tried to meet the challenge. I have been learning however by some of the comments I have gotten, ways I could have been a bit more artistic, and that is helping me to think more when I go after a shot. The one I have here now, I had no way to set up in studio so it is rather bland after looking at it and comparing it to other photos. I want to learn, and some folks here are really great about being constructive - and that I can take. I just wish the ones who think they are gods gift to photos would not comment at all because some are just plain mean. Maybe I am not as good yet as they are - but they had to learn somewhere too. |
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05/22/2004 08:50:10 AM · #45 |
You want original? Wait until you see my Multiple Light Sources entry =)
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05/22/2004 09:07:24 AM · #46 |
My baby potty didn't do WELL AT ALL! (C:
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