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10/15/2009 12:20:15 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
So, just to be clear, if I have three images...
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That's exactly what I did. But, that is illegal in basic. So I pulled it. I honestly don't know how else you'd do this in basic other than using physical borders and shooting one frame. I give up, I'll shoot for the other challenge. |
Can someone from SC respond to this, please? |
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10/15/2009 12:20:47 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I included the issue of frames dividing a single image (not just going around the outside) in my note. |
What note? I'm lost here...
ETA Oh! Your note to Langdon? I hope he responds soon.
Message edited by author 2009-10-15 12:53:20. |
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10/15/2009 12:27:40 PM · #53 |
I am not sure if this helps but here is what I did.
Shoot 3 different pictures, did the basic editing stuff, created a triptych in Picasa, re sized the triptych in PS3. Voila! |
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10/15/2009 12:37:46 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by ikopanas:
I am not sure if this helps but here is what I did.
Shoot 3 different pictures, did the basic editing stuff, created a triptych in Picasa, re sized the triptych in PS3. Voila! |
And how did you make your borders? |
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10/15/2009 02:01:28 PM · #55 |
| Does it matter if there is no EXIF data? Does the Picasa collage output keep the EXIF data of the source images? Could I say, do a layout in PowerPoint, take a screen capture, crop, resize and submit? Of course if it is challenged or does well I will be submitting the 3 originals which will have the EXIF data intact. |
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10/15/2009 02:04:49 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by ikopanas:
I am not sure if this helps but here is what I did.
Shoot 3 different pictures, did the basic editing stuff, created a triptych in Picasa, re sized the triptych in PS3. Voila! |
And how did you make your borders? |
Picasa may help u in that too! |
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10/15/2009 02:13:15 PM · #57 |
MS Paint. Create an image. Copy the three images over. Done. No layers. Somehow I still think this is illegal...
and a little immoral.
:) |
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10/15/2009 03:18:53 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by BeefnCheez:
Listen up:
In advance editing you are only allowed to put a border around the image itself. Under the advance ruleset think about how you could do this? you couldn't? You aren't allowed to even take 3 seperate images of different matter. So in this regard there is no difference between basic and advanced. So how did they do this before you ask, because each image is seen as individuals to which the rules are applied.
So for basic, there is no difference. However you get to use 3 images. The rules apply to each image individually, borders and all. Except you must combine them all on the correct size canvas.
Think of it this way: Each image alone must be basic editing, then because it's triptych (and only b/c it's triptych) you may place these images together. |
Okay now I could just be stirring the pot some....So what happens if each of the photo follows basic editing rules, but are edited differently...you add adjustment layers and usable filters in different amounts...its basically editing each layer differently....once combined sorta breaks the rule of layers, filters, etc being done uniformly across the photo.....
OH and now lets add a little more fire to this. You have a single capture and want to break it up in triptych...in basic you aren't allowed to select parts of the photo to separate from the other three (no selection tool allowed). And for some reason I feel like splitting an image in three parts is against one of those rules..but I'm at work and don't my boss just caught me so i can't go any deeper...but I'll be back! |
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10/15/2009 03:34:14 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Does it matter if there is no EXIF data? Does the Picasa collage output keep the EXIF data of the source images? Could I say, do a layout in PowerPoint, take a screen capture, crop, resize and submit? Of course if it is challenged or does well I will be submitting the 3 originals which will have the EXIF data intact. |
No, you'll only need EXIF on the 3 originals. If you are called for validation, you'll have to upload 3 files.
R. |
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10/15/2009 04:12:59 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
MS Paint. Create an image. Copy the three images over. Done. No layers. Somehow I still think this is illegal...
and a little immoral.
:) |
Technically not, because you're creating new "shapes" :) |
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10/15/2009 04:18:11 PM · #61 |
They really just need to make a special rule.
Each photo MUST be processed per basic rule set.
HOWEVER
The resulting compilation can be created using advanced rules providing the content of each photo is not changed. (i.e. you cannot add advanced layers and masking once combined to vignette, etc.
Or more simply, the compilation can include only three "data"/pixel layers and each of these must be a separate photo. No masking of effects, so once combined all effects layers apply to all layers equally and at the same time. |
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10/15/2009 04:29:26 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
So, just to be clear, if I have three images,
edit all three of them separately using legal Basic editing rules,
then increase the canvas size of one of them,
and put the other two on top of that new canvas area (creating borders around each of the three and the entire image),
then that's legal, right?
Even though bringing in the other two images created new layers... right? |
As far as I can tell from the SC discussion, this is right.
Each image must be edited according to the Basic rules, but you will not be DQd for creating layers in assembling the final image, as long as you don't overlap the images or do anything else "funny" to them.
I also don't think you need to apply the identical adjustments (Curves, Levels, sharpening, etc.) to each image, as long as the editing for each is Basic-legal. |
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10/15/2009 04:37:32 PM · #63 |
| you cannot overlap them? now that limits the end result greatly |
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10/15/2009 04:40:20 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by BeefnCheez:
you cannot overlap them? now that limits the end result greatly |
Welcome to Basic Editing :)
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10/15/2009 04:40:21 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by BeefnCheez:
you cannot overlap them? now that limits the end result greatly |
If you were planning to blend/merge the overlapping images, it would definitely not be Basic-legal. You can place one on top of the other at 100% opacity.
Think of it as being the digital equivalent of printing out three Basic-legal images, and then pasting them onto a mat board for display.
Message edited by author 2009-10-15 16:42:26. |
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10/15/2009 04:52:31 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
As far as I can tell from the SC discussion, this is right.
Each image must be edited according to the Basic rules, but you will not be DQd for creating layers in assembling the final image, as long as you don't overlap the images or do anything else "funny" to them.
I also don't think you need to apply the identical adjustments (Curves, Levels, sharpening, etc.) to each image, as long as the editing for each is Basic-legal. |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you were planning to blend/merge the overlapping images, it would definitely not be Basic-legal. You can place one on top of the other at 100% opacity.
Think of it as being the digital equivalent of printing out three Basic-legal images, and then pasting them onto a mat board for display. |
Excellent. Thanks,  GeneralE. That seems quite fair. I don't need to overlap, either... Thanks. |
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10/15/2009 05:14:11 PM · #67 |
There's always the other challenge too...
:) |
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10/15/2009 05:23:05 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
So, just to be clear, if I have three images,
edit all three of them separately using legal Basic editing rules,
then increase the canvas size of one of them,
and put the other two on top of that new canvas area (creating borders around each of the three and the entire image),
then that's legal, right?
Even though bringing in the other two images created new layers... right? |
As far as I can tell from the SC discussion, this is right.
Each image must be edited according to the Basic rules, but you will not be DQd for creating layers in assembling the final image, as long as you don't overlap the images or do anything else "funny" to them.
I also don't think you need to apply the identical adjustments (Curves, Levels, sharpening, etc.) to each image, as long as the editing for each is Basic-legal. |
That's what I did, but I pulled it because I was told I should. |
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10/15/2009 06:15:41 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
So, just to be clear, if I have three images,
edit all three of them separately using legal Basic editing rules,
then increase the canvas size of one of them,
and put the other two on top of that new canvas area (creating borders around each of the three and the entire image),
then that's legal, right?
Even though bringing in the other two images created new layers... right? |
As far as I can tell from the SC discussion, this is right.
Each image must be edited according to the Basic rules, but you will not be DQd for creating layers in assembling the final image, as long as you don't overlap the images or do anything else "funny" to them.
I also don't think you need to apply the identical adjustments (Curves, Levels, sharpening, etc.) to each image, as long as the editing for each is Basic-legal. |
That's what I did, but I pulled it because I was told I should. |
As I was reading through the first time, I thought you meant that you had used something other than adjustment layers on your pictures while editing (looking back, not sure *why* I thought that) -- that would indeed be legal.
If you edited your pictures per the basic editing rules, then used layers only to assemble the triptych, it would be okay.
Message edited by Manic - fixing the quotes. |
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10/15/2009 08:27:07 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
So, just to be clear, if I have three images,
edit all three of them separately using legal Basic editing rules,
then increase the canvas size of one of them,
and put the other two on top of that new canvas area (creating borders around each of the three and the entire image),
then that's legal, right?
Even though bringing in the other two images created new layers... right? |
As far as I can tell from the SC discussion, this is right.
Each image must be edited according to the Basic rules, but you will not be DQd for creating layers in assembling the final image, as long as you don't overlap the images or do anything else "funny" to them.
I also don't think you need to apply the identical adjustments (Curves, Levels, sharpening, etc.) to each image, as long as the editing for each is Basic-legal. |
That's what I did, but I pulled it because I was told I should. |
As I was reading through the first time, I thought you meant that you had used something other than adjustment layers on your pictures while editing (looking back, not sure *why* I thought that) -- that would indeed be legal.
If you edited your pictures per the basic editing rules, then used layers only to assemble the triptych, it would be okay. |
Thanks, but I think I'll skip the challenges with ambiguous rules for a while.
Message edited by author 2009-10-15 20:27:55. |
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10/15/2009 09:35:23 PM · #71 |
I was so excited about this challenge, now not so anymore...
Hope to see clarification of the rules soon. I actually have my subjects all lined up and ready for shooting too.
Come on Langdon. |
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10/15/2009 09:44:35 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I was so excited about this challenge, now not so anymore...
Hope to see clarification of the rules soon. I actually have my subjects all lined up and ready for shooting too.
Come on Langdon. |
There won't be any clarification beyond what we've seen here, I don't think. SC has weighed in and said that 3 legally-processed images may be pasted onto a single canvas in post processing without fear of DQ. SC is the ones that write the rules, not Langdon.
It's a little kludgy, but they've made it clear enough.
R.
Message edited by author 2009-10-15 21:44:57. |
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10/15/2009 09:46:58 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I was so excited about this challenge, now not so anymore...
Hope to see clarification of the rules soon. I actually have my subjects all lined up and ready for shooting too.
Come on Langdon. |
I thought it was all clarified and sorted. Take three images, Basic Editing rules. Open Photoshop (or similar) Place them in a tryptych whilst being careful not to play about with blending and opacity( i.e: only use basic editing on the whole image) . Voila! Blue Ribbon. I really don't see what all the confusion is about. |
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10/15/2009 09:49:33 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Jac:
I was so excited about this challenge, now not so anymore...
Hope to see clarification of the rules soon. I actually have my subjects all lined up and ready for shooting too.
Come on Langdon. |
There won't be any clarification beyond what we've seen here, I don't think. SC has weighed in and said that 3 legally-processed images may be pasted onto a single canvas in post processing without fear of DQ. SC is the ones that write the rules, not Langdon.
It's a little kludgy, but they've made it clear enough.
R. |
How can you layer an image over another one without changing the blending mode for the bottom layer to be visible?
I'm just going to participate and whatever happens, happens. ;| |
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10/15/2009 09:52:36 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Jac:
How can you layer an image over another one without changing the blending mode for the bottom layer to be visible?
I'm just going to participate and whatever happens, happens. ;| |
I don't think you can. Thats the point really. Just place three images together and forget about blending them together. Easily done
Like this fantastic example
Message edited by author 2009-10-15 21:55:02. |
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