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 03/16/2010 03:10:04 PM · #151
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Cheers, and Apologies for the lengthy post....


No apology needed. (Insert round of applause here)

R.
 03/16/2010 03:11:27 PM · #152
so, to sum it all up--to an artist, it's all about the kitty.

Message edited by author 2010-03-16 15:27:35.
 03/16/2010 03:29:21 PM · #153
Originally posted by chromeydome:

To paraphrase Ray Bradbury (since I cannot remember it perfectly from, I think, his novel Something Wicked This Way Comes):

"â€Â¦but isn't that the purpose of life? To be able to go around and look out at the world through someone else's eyes and say 'So that's how you see it? Well isn't that interesting! I must remember that!'"


Best quote I've seen in a long while.
 03/16/2010 04:18:15 PM · #154
Oh chromeydome, that was lovely.

I particularly liked the following:

"Another reason that deeply understanding our own filter-set, and choosing to temporarily attempt to remove or add filters is "risky" is simply what we may or may not learn about ourselves: we might discover a filter in place that has been affecting us all along, and might find that we missed out on a lot of things, or have been communication poorly all along because of it. We might find a filter that we are not proud of, but are also not able or willing to remove. We might try a new filter, find that it shows a completely new interpretation that makes something suddenly more attractive or interesting, but that change makes us uncomfortable."

Even to begin to get an inkling that we have these filters is a giant step towards an enormous enlightenment.
 03/16/2010 04:53:20 PM · #155
No need for apologies at all. Very well thought out. I liked this part, and emboldened what I think is a very important caveat to it.....

Originally posted by chromeydome:
We can, if we choose, learn more about the original photographer's filters in terms of his/her history, background, style, and the kinds of references, symbology, they do or do not employ, the things that inspire them, and so forth. This is not necessary or expected, and no one should be told they must do this, but doing so can add to our filter-sets, give us more tools in our tool bags. We might discover a new appreciation for the image, or appreciate an image we previously dismissed (or we may find we suddenly dislike an image that we previously loved).


I reserve the right to sometimes just appreciate what washes over me in the way of feelings of delight at a beautiful rendition of a subject, regardless of the back story.
03/16/2010 05:26:00 PM · #156
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Message edited by author 2010-03-18 13:37:35.
 03/18/2010 11:23:35 PM · #157
Best explaination I've read Chromey! Beautifully communicated.
 03/18/2010 11:30:15 PM · #158
Readers of this thread may also want to check out this related discussion.
 03/18/2010 11:39:24 PM · #159
Wow. Helluva post, Chromey - thanks much for that!
 03/18/2010 11:46:59 PM · #160
wow! what a wonderful post! no need for apologies!
 03/19/2010 02:41:17 AM · #161
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
At the end of the day it seems to me that this genre of photography has its own rules the same as any other. After thinking for a while I rebel against the term "fine art" which seems to connotate some higher plane or superiorority when one could just as easily call it "less accessible art" (and even that conjures up the idea that accessible is synonymous with banal).

Anyway, I'm not trying to throw rocks at the artform. It's definitely art and it definitely speaks to some people. I guess I'm trying to avoid the implied lesson that we should all strive to grow into this genre because this is, after all, fine art. I think, instead, it's just "different art".

Well said Jason. I didn't relate to the popular images in this challenge (by score or jury) but don't see that as a flaw in myself, just that i like different things.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
As another PS, I definitely think juried challenges are fun and worthy of continuing!

I'm not sure about this, it's just the opinion of 5 out of 200 voters. What's the big deal?
03/19/2010 08:48:42 AM · #162
Originally posted by Nuzzer:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
At the end of the day it seems to me that this genre of photography has its own rules the same as any other. After thinking for a while I rebel against the term "fine art" which seems to connotate some higher plane or superiorority when one could just as easily call it "less accessible art" (and even that conjures up the idea that accessible is synonymous with banal).

[quote=DrAchoo]As another PS, I definitely think juried challenges are fun and worthy of continuing!

I'm not sure about this, it's just the opinion of 5 out of 200 voters. What's the big deal?


Photography is relatively easy in that the camera can render exact, realistic takes on a given scene or subject. If what's in frame is powerful that will immediately come through to the viewer, without much effort. Taking well composed, sharp images isn't all that difficult, as this site itself proves every day when we see people come here enter images into Challenges and within months start winning Ribbons... and many have done multiple times.

I'm speaking generally of course but I see art or the artists as bringing a more mindful approach to a subject...or the object they are trying to create. That as opposed to seeing a Challenge topic...buying a ticket to a zoo or a bird sanctuary and getting sharp image of animal then jazzing it up a dash for a Ribbon. Sure it's art...everything is art...

You all can judge whether or not it's "banal" but it's certainly easily accessible and doesn't take much thought to get what the creator of the image was trying to put forth. I don't think the FA thing is about superiority but some things absolutely take more time to appreciate, as the same is true for many other things like foods, poetry, to the intricacies in the sounds produced by finely crafted musical instrument, it's acquired tastes. It's also ALL accessible to anyone that wishes to access it or put some time into it's understanding. I'm not sure why people are fighting that because I'm certain they knows that not everything is easy to digest or appreciate.

Have you ever seen a kid picking up and learning how to play the electric guitar and after a few years they drift slightly towards Jazz and develop an appreciation for Classical music. Their education helps them expand over time and they start to search for more complex rhythms and deeper harmony. The same exact thing applies here and I'm not sure why people are having a tough time grasping that or rebelling.
 03/19/2010 12:06:32 PM · #163
I'm sure you don't mean it Steve, but that post sounds really elitist.
03/19/2010 12:17:50 PM · #164
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm sure you don't mean it Steve, but that post sounds really elitist.

I dunno......sounded okay to me. Pretty much was a statement of how he saw things. I didn't sense any judgement or anything outside of his observations.
 03/19/2010 12:26:10 PM · #165
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm sure you don't mean it Steve, but that post sounds really elitist.

I dunno......sounded okay to me. Pretty much was a statement of how he saw things. I didn't sense any judgement or anything outside of his observations.


Agreed. Nothing elitist about it.

R.
 03/19/2010 12:28:04 PM · #166
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm sure you don't mean it Steve, but that post sounds really elitist.

I dunno......sounded okay to me. Pretty much was a statement of how he saw things. I didn't sense any judgement or anything outside of his observations.


Sounds okay to me too. I don't see anything elitist in the statement at all unless your picking at something that I'm not registering.
 03/19/2010 12:30:32 PM · #167
...or he is threatened by potentially not understanding what you are saying.
 03/19/2010 02:21:53 PM · #168
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Taking well composed, sharp images isn't all that difficult, as this site itself proves every day...

I see art or the artists as bringing a more mindful approach to a subject...

..but some things (Fine art) absolutely take more time to appreciate...

It's also ALL accessible to anyone that wishes to...put some time into it's understanding.


Again, I don't think Steve means it on purpose, but he clearly believes that Fine Art is "further down the road" of sophistication than a "well composed, sharp image". The Rock and Jazz analogy backs this idea up. It isn't that the guitarist simply moves from Rock to Jazz as someone moves from baseball to football, but that he appreciates "more complex rhythms" and "deeper harmonies".

I'm just calling it like I see it and, again, I know Steve means no ill. He's trying to diplomatically say what he believes, that fine art is beyond accessible art.
 03/19/2010 02:30:06 PM · #169
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I'm just calling it like I see it and, again, I know Steve means no ill. He's trying to diplomatically say what he believes, that fine art is beyond accessible art.


why bring it up if you know he does not mean it? makes me think of how my teenagers will say something incredibly rude and when we call them on it, look at us incredulously and say "i'm just sayin", as if that somehow makes it ok.

One thing I am heartily sick of in this world is people being rude and then excusing it by saying something like "hey, i'm just being honest, thats how i am"
 03/19/2010 02:48:26 PM · #170
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I'm just calling it like I see it and, again, I know Steve means no ill. He's trying to diplomatically say what he believes, that fine art is beyond accessible art.

why bring it up if you know he does not mean it? ...

Perhaps as an observation. Noting a viewpoint that's contributing to this thread's "conversation". Pointing out something that could redirect the conversation or add some meaning from another viewpoint.

There's many valid reasons for the point that Jason brings up, and it's not just because he wants to be a smart a**.
03/19/2010 02:51:27 PM · #171
Originally posted by glad2badad:
There's many valid reasons for the point that Jason brings up, and it's not just because he wants to be a smart a**.

Well, it was just odd that he was the only one who saw it the way he interpreted it....
 03/19/2010 02:52:43 PM · #172
I just bring it up that way in order to be diplomatic. I'm assuming the best intentions on Steve's part but pointing out that others (perhaps I'm not the only one) may not interpret it the way he means it.
 03/19/2010 02:57:46 PM · #173
Whether we're talking about Picasso, Fine wine, Foie Gras, French Roast Coffee, Jackson Pollack or Thelonius Monk I'm merely referring to things that come to light with learning, acquired tastes...or acquired learning. That's NOT elitist...it's simply true. I think your too wrapped up in the basics of art which I'm not dismissing but I don't think you're showing a desire or maybe the ability to think or move beyond that.

I did in fact, say that IT IS ACCESSIBLE to anyone who wants to go on the ride but like anything worth while, the more work you put into it the greater the rewards. That would be an inclusive stance btw, not one of exclusion accessible only to an elite group.

I've been playing the guitar since I was 13. By listening to a recording, I can pretty much tell you if the guitar player was using a Stratocaster, a Les Paul, a Telecaster or an ES-335 or guitars built to match the sounds produced by those classic instruments. Not many beginners can do that but over time your ear get's tuned to the finer qualities of these very individual instruments. I just bought a 1971 Fender Telecaster, all original for $6500 not because I'm a clown but because the sound of the guitar is unique and something I really wanted.

People that love art, Fine Art to use the term for that sake of this discussion or people that love expensive bottles of wine or Jazz are not just a bunch of pretentious buttheads pretending there's something special there while some people claim there isn't. What I do take issue with is the "Emperors New Clothes" position many people seem to be talking and I think that's a complete cop out.

I mean, there must be something that is in your life that has an intrinsic beauty, you weren't aware of or didn't realize until you studied learned more about it? If people don't have any interest...they can move on. But some folks who are into this form of expression might be happy diving in further without being bugged by people who think it's a hoax.

I think you're way off the mark on what I meant fwiw but if you're reading elitism into it...ok.

"It's also ALL accessible to anyone that wishes to access it or put some time into it's understanding." Kinda the opposite of elitism...as I see it.

Message edited by author 2010-03-19 15:43:25.
 03/19/2010 03:03:54 PM · #174
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I mean, there must be something that is in your life that has an intrinsic beauty, you weren't aware of or didn't realize until you studied learned more about it?

Yeah.....

Photography!
 03/19/2010 03:23:44 PM · #175
If there is one thing more annoying than an elitist attitude, it has to be the demand that everything be instantly accessible. Camera designers definitely understand that, & cater to it--anyone who can hold a camera & press the shutter button at the same time can take a clear sharp photo. A 'deeper' or 'more complex' understanding of the camera or of photography is possible, but not necessary. Fortunately, for anyone who wants to know more & understand more there is a wealth of information available. Fortunately, anyone who wants to stop at face value when looking at a photograph, or capturing a photograph, is free to do so. I like to think about stuff, so I do, but what I think I'm doing with my camera has nothing to do with the experience of the person viewing the resulting photo. If each person has a different experience looking at one of my photos then I am happy, but it certainly is not necessary for anyone but me to know that. Each individual is going to arrange what's in their mind the way they like it. It's all good.
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