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06/13/2017 08:07:37 AM · #1
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06/13/2017 03:04:59 AM · #2
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

... but I stand corrected.

You've had hip surgery too? ;-)


As long as it was done within the MINIMAL RULESET
06/13/2017 02:29:54 AM · #3
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

... but I stand corrected.

You've had hip surgery too? ;-)


Art has always been Hip
06/13/2017 12:06:21 AM · #4
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

... but I stand corrected.

You've had hip surgery too? ;-)
06/12/2017 11:35:54 PM · #5
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Helluva long thread for a yes/no question. :P

I thought you'd raised kids -- "yes" or "no" -- either answer is always followed by "why?" ... as is every other answer to any question.

I'm mostly in the grandparenting stage now, but I stand corrected.
06/12/2017 10:18:44 PM · #6
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Helluva long thread for a yes/no question. :P

I thought you'd raised kids -- "yes" or "no" -- either answer is always followed by "why?" ... as is every other answer to any question.
06/12/2017 10:13:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by wbanning:

Originally posted by glad2badad:


So, why not have a SOOC Ruleset? Consider it the free-for-all of using your camera. We already have the Expert free-for-all using post-processing theatrics. Besides, as you always say - you can enter what you want, and let the voters decide if it's worth looking at or not.

Think of all the conversations that could take place about learning what different brands of cameras can do. Questions about how to do this or that - how did you enable this feature, etc...? Gosh, could even keep the forums from getting up to 4 days old at times. Might even get some new people showing up here by 'Google' accident (you know, from chasing down a new feature on their camera). Or, just let those questions keep going to DPReview, Fred Miranda, Dyxum.com, etc...


I'd also note that the SOOC option would create and uneven playing field depending on what "tricks" your particular camera might be able to perform. That said it might be fun occasionally to put an SOOC flag on a minimal challenge. And... in the meantime there's always this thread.

Wait ... uneven playing field? The playing field here is never even.

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Software options, High-end PC's with monitors to match ... versus (the opposite).

So ... I'm not buying the "tricks" of one camera versus another and the "uneven" playing field scenario. Sorry.
06/12/2017 09:53:51 PM · #8
Helluva long thread for a yes/no question. :P
06/12/2017 07:51:24 PM · #9
Ok. Have fun.
06/12/2017 05:47:39 PM · #10
Originally posted by glad2badad:


So, why not have a SOOC Ruleset? Consider it the free-for-all of using your camera. We already have the Expert free-for-all using post-processing theatrics. Besides, as you always say - you can enter what you want, and let the voters decide if it's worth looking at or not.

Think of all the conversations that could take place about learning what different brands of cameras can do. Questions about how to do this or that - how did you enable this feature, etc...? Gosh, could even keep the forums from getting up to 4 days old at times. Might even get some new people showing up here by 'Google' accident (you know, from chasing down a new feature on their camera). Or, just let those questions keep going to DPReview, Fred Miranda, Dyxum.com, etc...


I'd also note that the SOOC option would create and uneven playing field depending on what "tricks" your particular camera might be able to perform. That said it might be fun occasionally to put an SOOC flag on a minimal challenge. And... in the meantime there's always this thread.
06/12/2017 05:32:37 PM · #11
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Well - we could change the Minimal Ruleset and call it the SOOC Ruleset. Then you could use all the features your camera is capable of without concern and as a photographer you'd still be challenging yourself to learn the tool you have to capture photos with.

Yeah, but there are features in the newer cameras that we don't allow in STANDARD editing, let alone "minimal"...


What?! LOL. I offer to loosen up and this is the response. OMG.

I was curious why the foremost advocate for Minimal challenges suddenly wanted to axe it ...

OK, for me, the principle underlying the Minimal rules it to, as nearly as we can, replicate the experience of shooting with film (on a camera without the ability to do multiple exposures) and ordering a print from the "lab" ... as Robert mentioned you have control over type of film (controls color and contrast), lens, and lighting (and of course aperture and shutter-speed), but once you press the shutter you've committed to a particular outcome.
06/12/2017 05:23:14 PM · #12
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Well - we could change the Minimal Ruleset and call it the SOOC Ruleset. Then you could use all the features your camera is capable of without concern and as a photographer you'd still be challenging yourself to learn the tool you have to capture photos with.

Yeah, but there are features in the newer cameras that we don't allow in STANDARD editing, let alone "minimal"...


What?! LOL. I offer to loosen up and this is the response. OMG.

So, why not have a SOOC Ruleset? Consider it the free-for-all of using your camera. We already have the Expert free-for-all using post-processing theatrics. Besides, as you always say - you can enter what you want, and let the voters decide if it's worth looking at or not.

Think of all the conversations that could take place about learning what different brands of cameras can do. Questions about how to do this or that - how did you enable this feature, etc...? Gosh, could even keep the forums from getting up to 4 days old at times. Might even get some new people showing up here by 'Google' accident (you know, from chasing down a new feature on their camera). Or, just let those questions keep going to DPReview, Fred Miranda, Dyxum.com, etc...
06/12/2017 03:18:34 PM · #13
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:


Got it. Thanks, it's good to see some familiar names like you, Bear, Kirbic, etc.


Ha, some of us they'll probably take outta here in a box, LOL. Good to see you back!
06/12/2017 02:57:16 PM · #14
Originally posted by GeneralE:


Slight fluttering of leaves or cloud-drift should be OK -- in the picture under discussion the shift is in the subject.

Welcome back!

Got it. Thanks, it's good to see some familiar names like you, Bear, Kirbic, etc.
06/12/2017 02:50:46 PM · #15
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Just out of curiosity, would the photo I posted earlier be legal under the standard rule set?

No. The scene is changing between exposures.

For the standard rule set, is there a threshold for how much the scene changes? For example, is an in-camera HDR of a waterfall or one with wind-blown leaves in the background ok?

Just trying to understand, I've been mostly away for the past 5 years. :)

Slight fluttering of leaves or cloud-drift should be OK -- in the picture under discussion the shift is in the subject.

Welcome back!
06/12/2017 02:49:16 PM · #16
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Just out of curiosity, would the photo I posted earlier be legal under the standard rule set?

No. The scene is changing between exposures.


That's what I thought.
06/12/2017 02:43:30 PM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Just out of curiosity, would the photo I posted earlier be legal under the standard rule set?

No. The scene is changing between exposures.

For the standard rule set, is there a threshold for how much the scene changes? For example, is an in-camera HDR of a waterfall or one with wind-blown leaves in the background ok?

Just trying to understand, I've been mostly away for the past 5 years. :)
06/12/2017 02:40:27 PM · #18
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Well - we could change the Minimal Ruleset and call it the SOOC Ruleset. Then you could use all the features your camera is capable of without concern and as a photographer you'd still be challenging yourself to learn the tool you have to capture photos with.

Yeah, but there are features in the newer cameras that we don't allow in STANDARD editing, let alone "minimal"...

Originally posted by glad2badad:

For me the gist behind shooting for Minimal challenges is to learn your camera better. The challenge to compose your photo correctly. To not tilt the horizon (unless you want to of course). To watch the edges of your frame for intruding elements.

All of those are what we're doing now :-)

06/12/2017 02:30:31 PM · #19
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:

Originally posted by MAK:

Blimey dude, you still around? hahaha.

regarding your question, I would say no it's not allowed

Yeah, I'm back after several years away. :)

Looks like I opened up a can of worms, no worries though, I went with a non-HDR single capture.


Good to see you back man.
06/12/2017 02:21:00 PM · #20
Well - we could change the Minimal Ruleset and call it the SOOC Ruleset. Then you could use all the features your camera is capable of without concern and as a photographer you'd still be challenging yourself to learn the tool you have to capture photos with.

For me the gist behind shooting for Minimal challenges is to learn your camera better. The challenge to compose your photo correctly. To not tilt the horizon (unless you want to of course). To watch the edges of your frame for intruding elements. Etc, etc ...

Use your camera. No need to sit in front of your computer manipulating (except to resize and sharpen).
06/12/2017 02:13:48 PM · #21
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Just out of curiosity, would the photo I posted earlier be legal under the standard rule set?

No. The scene is changing between exposures.
06/12/2017 02:09:40 PM · #22
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by bryanbrazil:

Probably best to explicitly state in the minimal rules that in-camera HDR is not allowed, so there isn't any confusion for new or returning members.


Might be difficult to avoid a long "laundry list" of items, since if one is listed, how, then to avoid a comprehensive listing without creating endless questions on specific features?.
One potential way out of that morass would be to list only those in-camera features that are allowed, and specify that no others are allowed. Even then, the list of allowed features might get long.


Or, just leave it as it is and have SC verify questions in threads whilst ignoring the usual suspects that seem to love nitpicking constantly
06/12/2017 01:51:33 PM · #23
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:

Probably best to explicitly state in the minimal rules that in-camera HDR is not allowed, so there isn't any confusion for new or returning members.


Might be difficult to avoid a long "laundry list" of items, since if one is listed, how, then to avoid a comprehensive listing without creating endless questions on specific features?.
One potential way out of that morass would be to list only those in-camera features that are allowed, and specify that no others are allowed. Even then, the list of allowed features might get long.
06/12/2017 01:45:45 PM · #24
Just out of curiosity, would the photo I posted earlier be legal under the standard rule set?
06/12/2017 01:21:40 PM · #25
Probably best to explicitly state in the minimal rules that in-camera HDR is not allowed, so there isn't any confusion for new or returning members.
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