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02/14/2008 08:59:14 AM · #1
That challenge was an unusual case. I would agree that if we had that one to live over again, we would have likely added an extra rule stating that failing to use a 2-second exposure would be DQ'able. But in general, DNMC should definitely not be DQ'able -- it would simply be way too subjective to attempt to enforce.

Originally posted by basssman7:

Well, without beating a dead horse once again, the challenges that are specific should allow dq based on not meeting the challenge. For example winning a "2 second exposure" challenge with a shot that is not a 2 second exposure. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/465/120/307079.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/465/120/307079.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

However this is not the place for that kind of debate.
02/13/2008 10:31:25 PM · #2
Originally posted by jonejess:


"special type of kangaroo court"

Are their hierarchies of kangaroo courts?

IMO .. yeeeesss....

but that is a political discussion & off topic ;)
02/13/2008 10:28:14 PM · #3
Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by karmat:

Also, as just a reminder, photos are not dq'ed for not meeting the challenge. :)


Unfortunately. :(

no .. not unfortunately .. it would take a special type of kangaroo court to narrow down everybodys interpretations to a challenge ..
if you cant see how it pertains maybe it;s the viewer not the photographer..


"special type of kangaroo court"

Are their hierarchies of kangaroo courts?
02/13/2008 10:06:32 PM · #4
Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by karmat:

Also, as just a reminder, photos are not dq'ed for not meeting the challenge. :)


Unfortunately. :(

no .. not unfortunately .. it would take a special type of kangaroo court to narrow down everybodys interpretations to a challenge ..
if you cant see how it pertains maybe it;s the viewer not the photographer..


Well, without beating a dead horse once again, the challenges that are specific should allow dq based on not meeting the challenge. For example winning a "2 second exposure" challenge with a shot that is not a 2 second exposure. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/465/120/307079.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/465/120/307079.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

However this is not the place for that kind of debate.
02/13/2008 08:25:12 PM · #5
Originally posted by ralph:

maybe it;s the viewer not the photographer..


Can I get a Amen?!?
02/13/2008 08:23:32 PM · #6
Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by karmat:

Also, as just a reminder, photos are not dq'ed for not meeting the challenge. :)


Unfortunately. :(

no .. not unfortunately .. it would take a special type of kangaroo court to narrow down everybodys interpretations to a challenge ..
if you cant see how it pertains maybe it;s the viewer not the photographer..
02/13/2008 08:08:30 PM · #7
Originally posted by karmat:

Also, as just a reminder, photos are not dq'ed for not meeting the challenge. :)


Unfortunately. :(
02/13/2008 08:08:21 PM · #8
Originally posted by alanfreed:

I thought I'd respond to this because we do hear that all the time when someone has proof requested. It's amazing how often people respond with, "I don't see why it's being challenged; it's only scoring in the 4s!"... or whatever.


How many people ignore you guys and take the DQ rather than the score? ;-)

Message edited by author 2008-02-13 20:08:35.
02/13/2008 08:04:38 PM · #9
Also, as just a reminder, photos are not dq'ed for not meeting the challenge. :)
02/13/2008 08:01:55 PM · #10
Very true. Any shot that is submitted is fair game for having its legality questioned. We request the top 5 shots from each challenge, but anything that looks suspect is likely to get a request. How you're scoring has nothing to do with it at all.

I thought I'd respond to this because we do hear that all the time when someone has proof requested. It's amazing how often people respond with, "I don't see why it's being challenged; it's only scoring in the 4s!"... or whatever.

Originally posted by dtremain:

Don't bet on it. I had a photo that finished at 5.4 that was challenged. If something in your photo stands out as a possible rules violation, there's a pretty good chance that it will be checked. In mine, there was text in the photo and it wasn't clear whether it was there in the original or had been added PP.
02/13/2008 07:55:27 PM · #11
Originally posted by SDW:

I don't think I will ever have to send in a validation because I'm stuck in the mid 5's

Don't bet on it. I had a photo that finished at 5.4 that was challenged. If something in your photo stands out as a possible rules violation, there's a pretty good chance that it will be checked. In mine, there was text in the photo and it wasn't clear whether it was there in the original or had been added PP.
01/12/2007 08:00:06 PM · #12
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I think it's okay....I found it and I feel that it's undamaged.

Now the only problem is that my &%$#&%$&@%$ dialup keeps timing out with this 6.10 MB file.

What the heck do I do if I can't upload the damn thing?


This may not help you this time but I emailed you about using the raw+jpeg option on your D70s. You can submit the .jpeg file as an original.
01/12/2007 06:52:09 PM · #13
Originally posted by muckpond:

yes, ACDSee does change the image!!!!

when uploading an original, go ahead an upload the TRUE original even if it's sideways. once any application has touched the file (importing using ACDSee, for example), the file is no longer the "original."


(Old post, I know, but..) True, but not.

If you use ACDSee to import from a card reader instead of from the camera (and turn off auto-rotation) it does not modify the files in any way, it simply copies them into a single directory.

I tend to use this simply because I hate having multiple photo directories for a single shoot/download - it tends to cause overlap problems when your next shoot contains a folder of the same name.
01/12/2007 05:26:50 PM · #14
I think it's okay....I found it and I feel that it's undamaged.

Now the only problem is that my &%$#&%$&@%$ dialup keeps timing out with this 6.10 MB file.

What the heck do I do if I can't upload the damn thing?
01/12/2007 03:58:58 PM · #15
it's not easy to save over a RAW file, so if you still have the NEF then you're probably fine. you can send it in to check if you want. :)
01/12/2007 03:56:45 PM · #16
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Oh, man! I may be too stupid to live.

I have an entry that I took in RAW and it's the first time I ever figured out how to get RAW out of my camera, and only did by bumbling around. I wasn't worried about it 'til now because I basically suck.

I have an entry that's doing REALLY well and now I'm worried.

I might have damaged the file.....I'm not even sure I download them right.

What should I do......after finding someone to smack me, of course.

I'm really bummed.....8>(


On your entry is a link for uploading original for verification: you can go ahead and send SC the RAW file and ask if it is OK.

R.
01/12/2007 03:52:31 PM · #17
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Oh, man! I may be too stupid to live.

I have an entry that I took in RAW and it's the first time I ever figured out how to get RAW out of my camera, and only did by bumbling around. I wasn't worried about it 'til now because I basically suck.

I have an entry that's doing REALLY well and now I'm worried.

I might have damaged the file.....I'm not even sure I download them right.

What should I do......after finding someone to smack me, of course.

I'm really bummed.....8>(


If it is still in RAW format you should be OK.
01/12/2007 03:43:40 PM · #18
Oh, man! I may be too stupid to live.

I have an entry that I took in RAW and it's the first time I ever figured out how to get RAW out of my camera, and only did by bumbling around. I wasn't worried about it 'til now because I basically suck.

I have an entry that's doing REALLY well and now I'm worried.

I might have damaged the file.....I'm not even sure I download them right.

What should I do......after finding someone to smack me, of course.

I'm really bummed.....8>(
01/05/2007 06:29:32 PM · #19
Originally posted by Greetmir:

I don't use software to import my photos to my computer. I HATE the software that came with my camera ... it wants to take over ALL images on my computer. So ... I just cut and paste em right off the SD card into an file folder called photos xx JAN xxxx then take any I want to play with by saving as to my Workshop folder (on my computer, not on the site) then when happy with it take it to a folder called Contest Photos then upload it. I cannot see where I would ever have a problem with verification.

Not to mention ... are there any cameras out there that sense orientation and don't have an option to turn auto-rotation off?


Do you shoot JPG? Cutting and pasting from the card to the computer will not invalidate an original. If, however, you open the pasted files and then save them, they may be affected.

To be safe, it probably would be a good idea, if you're shooting for a challenge, to keep the files that you copy/pasted from the card to the computer until after the challenge is over and a few days more, and, in the meantime, simply make a copy of them and work with these copies for your entries and so on.

However, if you're shooting RAW, you shouldn't have a problem with validations.
01/05/2007 06:26:43 PM · #20
Originally posted by silverscreen:

About camera software for importing pictures:

I'm using the software supplied with my camera for importing pictures to my computer. After importing I use the software to run quickly through the pictures.

I've been asked to send validation once, and the file I submitted was a raw file (CR2) downloaded from the camera this way - and the file was approved, so apparently no changes are made to the file (It would have surprised me a lot if there had been).


RAW files are not affected by software, they remain the same (even if they look different, that's just a layer). So a RAW file will be an original regardless of the transfer method from camera to computer.

The problem is with files that are not RAW (TIFFs or JPEGs), they can be affected by transfer software, and then there is no way for SC to tell whether the file is an original or not.

01/05/2007 06:07:06 PM · #21
About camera software for importing pictures:

I'm using the software supplied with my camera for importing pictures to my computer. After importing I use the software to run quickly through the pictures.

I've been asked to send validation once, and the file I submitted was a raw file (CR2) downloaded from the camera this way - and the file was approved, so apparently no changes are made to the file (It would have surprised me a lot if there had been).
01/05/2007 05:45:41 PM · #22
I don't use software to import my photos to my computer. I HATE the software that came with my camera ... it wants to take over ALL images on my computer. So ... I just cut and paste em right off the SD card into an file folder called photos xx JAN xxxx then take any I want to play with by saving as to my Workshop folder (on my computer, not on the site) then when happy with it take it to a folder called Contest Photos then upload it. I cannot see where I would ever have a problem with verification.

Not to mention ... are there any cameras out there that sense orientation and don't have an option to turn auto-rotation off?

Message edited by author 2007-01-05 17:47:37.
11/24/2006 11:07:27 PM · #23
Originally posted by dknourek:

Ok heres a question about the rotating of files. As it states under my name I have a Canon 400D and in the camera it's self it is set to rotate the photos as I shoot. Could this come back at me for a DQ for an aleged edited image when in fact the image is rotated INSIDE the camera? If its any difference I shoot in RAW only...

There is an EXIF property that deals with orientation at the time of capture. From what I understand, once the image is rotated (by whatever means), the original orientation values should remain. The values of this property deal with which corner is the upper left, upper right, and so on. I'm no EXIF expert, but I could probably dig up this information again if I had to.
11/24/2006 11:06:44 PM · #24
Like I said, of *course* this could be a problem.
11/24/2006 11:00:20 PM · #25
Originally posted by dknourek:

Could this come back at me for a DQ for an aleged edited image when in fact the image is rotated INSIDE the camera?


Yes it could, but not because of rotation itself. I remember at least one case where transfer software auto-rotated images on import and saved the "altered" files. When submitted for validation, the file had been edited by the software and was no longer considered an original. Fortunately, this particular software (iPhoto) also automatically saves an unaltered version if any edits are made, so it was simply a matter of locating the correct file.
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