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12/09/2005 10:17:56 AM · #1
Thanks Jenesis (and MrsFuzzButt)...

Very good comments. (Yeah, I'd like a little bit more hair on top. It's very hard when shooting candids to get that perfect crops as you catch them just passing by.) The point about sharpening the eyes was good. It was one of the photos weaknesses. I do so little editing on many of my shots. I forgot that I could do such things in advanced editing. (I also need to get more familiar with PSP)

:)
12/08/2005 08:26:07 PM · #2
Yes I did and I left you a comment Jason. :-)
12/08/2005 04:24:34 PM · #3
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So did you enjoy this one jenesis?
12/08/2005 12:15:19 PM · #4
Originally posted by Rose8699:


By the way, I am one of your "4" voters. Sorry to say. But personally I just don't like photos with people in them unless it is a portrait challenge. I find it gives away anonymity IF it is your spouse, offspring, etc, because others "may" know you or them on here or have seen you use them before, and I feel it can influence voters.....

... So I start at a 5 automatically, and if I like the subject matter it goes up from there including technical aspects. If I dont like the subject matter then it goes down by one point and I move on to the next entry. Unless it is extremely boring and distasteful or truly technically bad, then I move it down to the 1's and 2's, in which I usually give comment to those.

Rose


Well, I'm glad there are folks like me around to balance this out then. I'm just the opposite in my likes, in that I tend to gravitate more towards photos with people. They seem more personal to me and a bit more interesting. That is not to say that I vote lower on other types of photos though. There are alot of factors that go into my voting decisions, technical skill, subject matter, composition, challenge relativity being just a few. But to single photos out "Just because" of their subject matter and start them at a lower score seems a little limiting. Just my opinion though. We all have a right to vote how we like and we also have the right to state our opinions on why we vote the way we do. At least you are honest and open about it. :-)

Message edited by author 2005-12-08 12:15:39.
12/08/2005 12:05:52 PM · #5
Originally posted by MrsFuzzButt:

I've had PSP 6, 7 and now 9 and none had a "Save for the web." ...
Edited because my 2 year old was helping me type and I missed a couple of the extra keys he put in for me. :-)


Ha, ha! That's funny! I have one of those too. :-)

Thanks guys. Learn something new everyday.
12/08/2005 12:02:02 PM · #6
I've had PSP 6, 7 and now 9 and none had a "Save for the web." The option is there to compress but it is a little different in each version. PSP6 was easy, 7 a little more complicated. PSP9 makes is very easy as far as I am concerned.

Jen

Edited because my 2 year old was helping me type and I missed a couple of the extra keys he put in for me. :-)

Message edited by author 2005-12-08 12:02:56.
12/08/2005 11:57:49 AM · #7
Jen .. no there is no "save for web" as an option on PSP. I use PSP10 but I never have a problem resizing for the web.
12/08/2005 11:57:41 AM · #8
Originally posted by jenesis:

... Just curious, as I'm not familiar with PSP, but is "Save for Web" not an option in PSP? This would probably solve the problem with file size saving the loss of dimensions.


No, not an option, but really...it's not THAT difficult.
12/08/2005 11:53:34 AM · #9
Originally posted by Rose8699:

Originally posted by MrsFuzzButt:

What photo editing software do you use?

I primarily use Paint Shop Pro 9. When I save, there is a button titled "Options." This brings up a new screen that has a sliding bar that allows me to adjust the compression of the file. Usually, 10 works for me. I know Photo Shop has something similar. This is how I reduce that actual file size versus the dimensions of my images.

Jen


I have PSP8. When I go to save normally, by going to file and doing a "save as", I "usually" get an automatic drop list that goes straight to JPG unless I want to change that. .....


Just curious, as I'm not familiar with PSP, but is "Save for Web" not an option in PSP? This would probably solve the problem with file size saving the loss of dimensions.
12/08/2005 11:39:58 AM · #10
Marks a point for Crabby

Originally posted by crabappl3:

Originally posted by Rose8699:

Sorry to say. But personally I just don't like photos with people in them unless it is a portrait challenge. I find it gives away anonymity IF it is your spouse, offspring, etc, because others "may" know you or them on here or have seen you use them before, and I feel it can influence voters. I'm sorry. I know that is a whole other thread of debate, but that is how I feel about it.

Also, I know free study offers up the opportunity to do portrait shots, as any photo you like can be submitted, but I just tend to not be partial towards people in photos. So I start at a 5 automatically, and if I like the subject matter it goes up from there including technical aspects. If I dont like the subject matter then it goes down by one point and I move on to the next entry. Unless it is extremely boring and distasteful or truly technically bad, then I move it down to the 1's and 2's, in which I usually give comment to those.

Rose


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So based upon your own comment, this image of yours would be a sub 5 shot? ...interesting...

-danny
12/08/2005 11:05:25 AM · #11
Originally posted by crabappl3:

Originally posted by Rose8699:

Sorry to say. But personally I just don't like photos with people in them unless it is a portrait challenge. I find it gives away anonymity IF it is your spouse, offspring, etc, because others "may" know you or them on here or have seen you use them before, and I feel it can influence voters. I'm sorry. I know that is a whole other thread of debate, but that is how I feel about it.

Also, I know free study offers up the opportunity to do portrait shots, as any photo you like can be submitted, but I just tend to not be partial towards people in photos. So I start at a 5 automatically, and if I like the subject matter it goes up from there including technical aspects. If I dont like the subject matter then it goes down by one point and I move on to the next entry. Unless it is extremely boring and distasteful or truly technically bad, then I move it down to the 1's and 2's, in which I usually give comment to those.

Rose


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So based upon your own comment, this image of yours would be a sub 5 shot? ...interesting...

-danny


hahaha....burn
12/08/2005 11:03:59 AM · #12
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4.88
423 / 514
18%

Well, my shot came in toward the bottom of the barrel. One comment made me laugh, regarding the use of flash washing out the natural shadows.

a) when you leave the natural shadows you are told you should use a fill-in flash.

b) when you are shooting in extremely low-light there are very few shadows to leave anyways

*shrug*

But hey, I had essentially "one weekend" of shooting to draw from for the whole month thanks to Canon. But now I got my camera back. Alas, the snow & freezing has now begun.
12/08/2005 11:00:24 AM · #13
Originally posted by Rose8699:

Sorry to say. But personally I just don't like photos with people in them unless it is a portrait challenge. I find it gives away anonymity IF it is your spouse, offspring, etc, because others "may" know you or them on here or have seen you use them before, and I feel it can influence voters. I'm sorry. I know that is a whole other thread of debate, but that is how I feel about it.

Also, I know free study offers up the opportunity to do portrait shots, as any photo you like can be submitted, but I just tend to not be partial towards people in photos. So I start at a 5 automatically, and if I like the subject matter it goes up from there including technical aspects. If I dont like the subject matter then it goes down by one point and I move on to the next entry. Unless it is extremely boring and distasteful or truly technically bad, then I move it down to the 1's and 2's, in which I usually give comment to those.

Rose


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So based upon your own comment, this image of yours would be a sub 5 shot? ...interesting...

-danny
12/08/2005 10:49:13 AM · #14
Originally posted by Rose8699:

Originally posted by nephoto:

Originally posted by Rose8699:
"I am also not partial to nudes"

Nude?! You can't see anything from the very top of her chest up, this is no different than wearing a halter top, for all the voter knows she is wearing a strapless bikini. Whatever, to each their own I guess.


No, no, no. I was being generic with that comment in my liks and dislikes in ALL submissions. Not yours. Yours was not a nude.

Rose

Ok, my bad, I can accept that some styles of photos don't turn peoples crank, and with your method of scoring I understand the 4, I just wonder where the 2's came from :)
12/08/2005 10:45:07 AM · #15
nephoto, you also have to remember that the majority of the voters here at DPC vote low IMO. While there is a full scale of 1-10, everyone has their own theory on how it is to be used. There are some who only give out 1 ten, etc. Five may be the middle (average) point for me, but not necessarily for them. I personally gave your shot an 8. I thought it was tastefully done and had an artistic flare. The same cannot be said for all nude or partially nude shots that are entered here. While the majority are artistic, quality shots, there are some that are entered just because the photographer wanted to play the nudie card that day. As with the murder/suicide themed photos, I think the voters just get tired of seeing the same old (sometimes controversial) thing.

Jen
12/08/2005 10:36:28 AM · #16
Originally posted by nephoto:

Originally posted by Rose8699:
"I am also not partial to nudes"

Nude?! You can't see anything from the very top of her chest up, this is no different than wearing a halter top, for all the voter knows she is wearing a strapless bikini. Whatever, to each their own I guess.


No, no, no. I was being generic with that comment in my liks and dislikes in ALL submissions. Not yours. Yours was not a nude.

Rose
12/08/2005 10:28:45 AM · #17
Originally posted by Rose8699:
"I am also not partial to nudes"

Nude?! You can't see anything from the very top of her chest up, this is no different than wearing a halter top, for all the voter knows she is wearing a strapless bikini. Whatever, to each their own I guess.

Message edited by author 2005-12-08 10:32:36.
12/08/2005 10:28:09 AM · #18
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Rose8699:

One person remarked on the size of the photo. I think it is a bit dumb, (pardon the expression) if the photo voting was based on size. I tried many times and this site wouldn't accept it as a 640, so I had to fix it about 20 times to get it to accept what it did accept. Then again, no one knows that but me. So please, vote on the PICTURE and not on the size that goes up. There are a LOT of photos that are either long or wrecktangle or not perfect sqares. I don't even pay attention to that when voting. I don't think others should either.


I didn't change my vote based on the size of your photo. I tend to mention size when I comment because a number of new people don't realize how big it can be or know how to properly resize their photo (as, I'm guessing, was your case since you couldn't upload at 640). Sometimes I link to this tutorial on using Photoshop to prepare for challenges. I'm sorry if you feel this is dumb but a number of people have been quite thankful so I probably won't stop doing it.


I understand what you are saying totally. However, I really don't think that it took away from my particular photo. Although it may not have been a perfect 640, the photo was still well shown, and all details could be made out, etc. The size, in my case, really didn't take away from the photo. However, when there are instances where it does, then I agree with you.

Rose
12/08/2005 10:24:26 AM · #19
Originally posted by nephoto:

I placed 18th over-all, which is pretty swank in my opinion, I'm quite happy with it, what I don't understand are the people that voted on my picture that gave me these scores below:

score voted: 2 ---> 4 people
score voted: 3 ---> 4 people
score voted: 4 ---> 14 people

Do people just have a serious jealousy problem with people that take better pictures than they do? Are a lot of people experiencing this type of voting on good pictures?

This was my entry btw, just so people know what the hell I am ranting about:)
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=253317


18th place is fantastic!!!

By the way, I am one of your "4" voters. Sorry to say. But personally I just don't like photos with people in them unless it is a portrait challenge. I find it gives away anonymity IF it is your spouse, offspring, etc, because others "may" know you or them on here or have seen you use them before, and I feel it can influence voters. I'm sorry. I know that is a whole other thread of debate, but that is how I feel about it. I am also not partial to nudes or where political or social views come into play in the contest. However, I also understand that "art" has many forms and "artists" have many styles. Just as a voter, I vote my own personal preference as do others.

I also got 3's on my photo and don't understand why at ALL, but that is neither here nor there. Others vote on what they like, and maybe at one time they had a bad experience with an Amarylis flower! LOL...Who knows.

Also, I know free study offers up the opportunity to do portrait shots, as any photo you like can be submitted, but I just tend to not be partial towards people in photos. So I start at a 5 automatically, and if I like the subject matter it goes up from there including technical aspects. If I dont like the subject matter then it goes down by one point and I move on to the next entry. Unless it is extremely boring and distasteful or truly technically bad, then I move it down to the 1's and 2's, in which I usually give comment to those.

Rose
12/08/2005 10:18:16 AM · #20
Originally posted by Rose8699:

One person remarked on the size of the photo. I think it is a bit dumb, (pardon the expression) if the photo voting was based on size. I tried many times and this site wouldn't accept it as a 640, so I had to fix it about 20 times to get it to accept what it did accept. Then again, no one knows that but me. So please, vote on the PICTURE and not on the size that goes up. There are a LOT of photos that are either long or wrecktangle or not perfect sqares. I don't even pay attention to that when voting. I don't think others should either.


I didn't change my vote based on the size of your photo. I tend to mention size when I comment because a number of new people don't realize how big it can be or know how to properly resize their photo (as, I'm guessing, was your case since you couldn't upload at 640). Sometimes I link to this tutorial on using Photoshop to prepare for challenges. I'm sorry if you feel this is dumb but a number of people have been quite thankful so I probably won't stop doing it.
12/08/2005 10:17:21 AM · #21
Finally, I can smile a bit about my entry! I don't have any little babies, my daughters are 13 & 16 and I rarely get an opportunity to shoot a baby.... but when I shot this one....

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and he was sooooooo beautiful, I was thrilled! Thanks tons for the comments guys! :)
12/08/2005 10:17:03 AM · #22
Originally posted by MrsFuzzButt:

What photo editing software do you use?

I primarily use Paint Shop Pro 9. When I save, there is a button titled "Options." This brings up a new screen that has a sliding bar that allows me to adjust the compression of the file. Usually, 10 works for me. I know Photo Shop has something similar. This is how I reduce that actual file size versus the dimensions of my images.

Jen


I have PSP8. When I go to save normally, by going to file and doing a "save as", I "usually" get an automatic drop list that goes straight to JPG unless I want to change that. If I want, I can go to File, then export/import, and save it as a tube or even a JPG or GIF that way, but don't usually bother. So I just usually let it do its automatic thing and save it as a jpg. I really have no idea how to work the "compression" saving of a photo to be honest with you. I just do it all by eye. If I think it looks distorted or less sharp, I back out and start over, or sometimes resize it "FIRST" and then do Post Processing.

I am probably going around my ass to get to my elbow in doing that, but my motto is "if it works, don't fix it"..LOL..so that is how I normally do it.

Rose
12/08/2005 10:16:52 AM · #23
I placed 18th over-all, which is pretty swank in my opinion, I'm quite happy with it, what I don't understand are the people that voted on my picture that gave me these scores below:

score voted: 2 ---> 4 people
score voted: 3 ---> 4 people
score voted: 4 ---> 14 people

Do people just have a serious jealousy problem with people that take better pictures than they do? Are a lot of people experiencing this type of voting on good pictures?

This was my entry btw, just so people know what the hell I am ranting about:)
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=253317

12/08/2005 10:11:20 AM · #24
What photo editing software do you use?

I primarily use Paint Shop Pro 9. When I save, there is a button titled "Options." This brings up a new screen that has a sliding bar that allows me to adjust the compression of the file. Usually, 10 works for me. I know Photo Shop has something similar. This is how I reduce that actual file size versus the dimensions of my images.

Jen
12/08/2005 10:09:33 AM · #25
Originally posted by Rose8699:

One person remarked on the size of the photo. I think it is a bit dumb, (pardon the expression) if the photo voting was based on size. I tried many times and this site wouldn't accept it as a 640, so I had to fix it about 20 times to get it to accept what it did accept. Then again, no one knows that but me. So please, vote on the PICTURE and not on the size that goes up. There are a LOT of photos that are either long or wrecktangle or not perfect sqares. I don't even pay attention to that when voting. I don't think others should either


You can judge for yourself if the size makes a difference to the voters:

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The image can be up to 640px on any one side, and a max of 150k file size. Here's the tutorial for resizing images:

//www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=26
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