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08/17/2010 09:33:52 AM · #1
Originally posted by h2:

You seem to forget that art is in constant development, a 21st century still life must not necessarily look like a 17th century one.


I reiterate that what I said I'm looking for is a link to traditional still lifes, and not necessarily grapes, cheese, wine, and other elements that would constitute a rehash of what was done to death by 1800. (That being said, I'm happy with photographic remakes of Dutch masterpieces.)

But to me, a still life still needs to be composed, not candid; it still needs to be about light and shadow, not just the subject; and it needs to be of inanimate objects, not living things. All the photos you posted have that in common (ETA: except for the Warhols), and many of the photos submitted to this challenge do not.

Message edited by author 2010-08-17 09:34:19.
08/17/2010 05:41:12 AM · #2
Originally posted by raish:



You seem to forget that it needs something to develop from.


That would be the "old", overcome kind of still life, with fruit, skulls, candles etc. on a dark textile background with imitated window lighting. Contemporary still life should take advantage of todays technology of flashes, studio lamps, high resolution cameras, ultraglossy surfaces.

Originally posted by raish:


The pictures you stuffed your post with, with the exception of the Warhols, are studies of light and texture on mundane objects. They wouldn't pass muster as product shots.


Exactly what I say, yet some people in this thread believe it needs bizarre objects for a still life and the objects may not be isolated.

Originally posted by raish:



Warhol was riffing off the phenomenon of ubiquitous colour glossy photos in our advertising-soaked world. He deliberately imitates product shots in his kookie way. You may also do this, but be warned: you are not Andy Warhol.


Noone claims to be another Warhol. My pictures look different because I have a different approach. These were just some examples of famous photgraphers, I could bring tons more from less known artists.
08/17/2010 05:38:04 AM · #3
I had been going to post Edward Weston's Pepper No 30 as an example of still life photography that certainly doesn't conform to the rigid definitions that have been posted in this thread, yet Weston has considerable respect as a still life photographer.
08/17/2010 04:21:17 AM · #4
Originally posted by h2:

You seem to forget that art is in constant development, <snip>


You seem to forget that it needs something to develop from. Here's a parallel:

Jackson Pollock was getting frustrated stepping back from his work and stepping in to adjust and stepping back and on and on in the attempt to capture dynamism in what was becoming an increasingly passive exercise of draughtsmanship and editing. So he lay the canvas on the floor and threw the paint at it to make the picture happen before he could butt in and think about it.
The fact that this resulted in works of art may be surprising - although opinion is divided, for sure - but Pollock had the years of artistic endeavour on which to build.
Pretty much anyone can toss paint on a canvas and you can see a good few copycats here and there, with one general failing in common. They're not Jackson Pollock.

The pictures you stuffed your post with, with the exception of the Warhols, are studies of light and texture on mundane objects. They wouldn't pass muster as product shots.

Warhol was riffing off the phenomenon of ubiquitous colour glossy photos in our advertising-soaked world. He deliberately imitates product shots in his kookie way. You may also do this, but be warned: you are not Andy Warhol.
08/17/2010 03:54:19 AM · #5
Originally posted by mycelium:



I gotta agree here. The still life (although not traditionally in black and white) has been around for many hundreds of years, and there is a pretty narrow definition of what a still life is. Fitting this definition doesn't require a bunch of grapes, a wheel of cheese, and a memento mori, but a photo that doesn't show a link to a genre that's been refined and defined over the course of centuries is not getting a good score from me.

And by that measure, a whole lot of photos miss the mark, unfortunately.



You seem to forget that art is in constant development, a 21st century still life must not necessarily look like a 17th century one.
These are considered still life (by people who know what they are talkin about), yet posthumous would call them product shots:
' . substr('//heyhotshot.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/irving-penn-frozen-food2.jpg', strrpos('//heyhotshot.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/irving-penn-frozen-food2.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' by Irving Penn
' . substr('//www.die-neue-sammlung.de/z/nuernberg/sammlung/fgn/hansen/schalen.jpg', strrpos('//www.die-neue-sammlung.de/z/nuernberg/sammlung/fgn/hansen/schalen.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' by Hans Hansen (bowls by Wilhelm Wagenfeld)
' . substr('//www.hypebeast.com/image/2009/01/andy-warhol-still-life-polaroid-exhibition-1.jpg', strrpos('//www.hypebeast.com/image/2009/01/andy-warhol-still-life-polaroid-exhibition-1.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' by Andy Warhol
' . substr('//www.hypebeast.com/image/2009/01/andy-warhol-still-life-polaroid-exhibition-4.jpg', strrpos('//www.hypebeast.com/image/2009/01/andy-warhol-still-life-polaroid-exhibition-4.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' by Andy Warhol
' . substr('//images.artnet.com/artwork_images/148104/510470.jpg', strrpos('//images.artnet.com/artwork_images/148104/510470.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' by Edward Weston
08/17/2010 02:36:37 AM · #6
Originally posted by Rmac:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by posthumous:

actually, I rather enjoyed the entries! I thought most fit the challenge.


You left me a rather nice comment, so I feel I didn't do too bad.


Left one here as well, thank you!!


Me three! I think it's my first comment from posthumous.
08/17/2010 12:37:47 AM · #7
Well, my score is undecided. Up, down, up, down. And one comment. Positive, but one comment... I'm all spoiled from my baby animal entry, which garnered 4 faves and 16 comments.

*sniffles*
08/16/2010 11:17:18 PM · #8
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by posthumous:

actually, I rather enjoyed the entries! I thought most fit the challenge.


You left me a rather nice comment, so I feel I didn't do too bad.


Left one here as well, thank you!!
08/16/2010 11:09:17 PM · #9
Originally posted by posthumous:

actually, I rather enjoyed the entries! I thought most fit the challenge.


You left me a rather nice comment, so I feel I didn't do too bad.
08/16/2010 11:08:30 PM · #10
actually, I rather enjoyed the entries! I thought most fit the challenge.
08/16/2010 10:06:55 PM · #11
Originally posted by levyj413:

It's been some time since I went on a commenting spree, so anyone who wants a comment after the challenge is over, send me a PM.


Gladly. Thanks
08/16/2010 09:50:43 PM · #12
It's been some time since I went on a commenting spree, so anyone who wants a comment after the challenge is over, send me a PM.
08/16/2010 08:40:26 PM · #13
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I'm getting a mediocre score and DNMC comments, I blame this thread entirely for it's narrow minded influence!


Actually, this is one challenge where I'm not as open-minded. I have a very definite idea of what a still life entails. And I haven't kept up with the thread.


I gotta agree here. The still life (although not traditionally in black and white) has been around for many hundreds of years, and there is a pretty narrow definition of what a still life is. Fitting this definition doesn't require a bunch of grapes, a wheel of cheese, and a memento mori, but a photo that doesn't show a link to a genre that's been refined and defined over the course of centuries is not getting a good score from me.

And by that measure, a whole lot of photos miss the mark, unfortunately.

My definition of what meets the challenge often expands in response to the entries as a whole, but I can't do that here.

Message edited by author 2010-08-16 20:43:16.
08/16/2010 08:29:58 PM · #14
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by posthumous:

only a handful of product shots. yabba doo!

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind. And even the fruit is usually in a basket or bowl, which is an advertiseable product. Heck, even fruit can be advertised, which makes it a product shot. Everything in this challenge is total DNMC!


What really impresses me is that I was able to get people to do what I want even though they don't understand a word I say... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Did you get this excited when you got Gracie to rollover?


I never did manage that...
08/16/2010 07:20:16 PM · #15
Some one left a comment, "I don't know how you think this is a still life"... Well, I have multiple subjects, that I arranged... Is that not the just of a still life???? Oh well, my score is in the gutter, poop...
08/16/2010 07:17:23 PM · #16
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by posthumous:

only a handful of product shots. yabba doo!

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind. And even the fruit is usually in a basket or bowl, which is an advertiseable product. Heck, even fruit can be advertised, which makes it a product shot. Everything in this challenge is total DNMC!


What really impresses me is that I was able to get people to do what I want even though they don't understand a word I say... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Did you get this excited when you got Gracie to rollover?
08/16/2010 07:07:04 PM · #17
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by posthumous:

only a handful of product shots. yabba doo!

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind. And even the fruit is usually in a basket or bowl, which is an advertiseable product. Heck, even fruit can be advertised, which makes it a product shot. Everything in this challenge is total DNMC!


I suppose the key is to not simply resell those products to the viewer. :P
08/16/2010 06:51:27 PM · #18
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I'm getting a mediocre score and DNMC comments, I blame this thread entirely for it's narrow minded influence!


I don't know if you are joking or not but I got a comment that says my image shows obvious movement and is not a still life at all. This bothers me as my object is not moving at all! This thread has creating narrow minding voters. I'm not the best at DPC but I really love my image and it's under 5 currently.

Edit: hopefully I can learn from this at the least. I really would like some good feedback after the challenge ends from Nyone willing to do so.

Message edited by author 2010-08-16 18:54:04.
08/16/2010 06:49:30 PM · #19
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

I'm getting a mediocre score and DNMC comments, I blame this thread entirely for it's narrow minded influence!


Naw... people were narrow-minded before this thread started.

Actually, this is one challenge where I'm not as open-minded. I have a very definite idea of what a still life entails. And I haven't kept up with the thread.

edited to add -- I'm getting an extremely mediocre score, and mine definitely fits a still life in most people's definition.

Message edited by author 2010-08-16 18:50:17.
08/16/2010 06:32:19 PM · #20
I'm getting a mediocre score and DNMC comments, I blame this thread entirely for it's narrow minded influence!
08/16/2010 06:27:41 PM · #21
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by posthumous:

only a handful of product shots. yabba doo!

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind.


This is true. My image is a product of my own inherent pessimism. I'm sure i would get this sorted if i could spend more than 10 minutes with a therapist without tears and furniture breaking but it just doesn't seem to happen. The crybabies.

08/16/2010 06:03:03 PM · #22
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by posthumous:

only a handful of product shots. yabba doo!

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind. And even the fruit is usually in a basket or bowl, which is an advertiseable product. Heck, even fruit can be advertised, which makes it a product shot. Everything in this challenge is total DNMC!


What really impresses me is that I was able to get people to do what I want even though they don't understand a word I say... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


The new Machiavelli.
08/16/2010 05:52:24 PM · #23
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by posthumous:

only a handful of product shots. yabba doo!

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind. And even the fruit is usually in a basket or bowl, which is an advertiseable product. Heck, even fruit can be advertised, which makes it a product shot. Everything in this challenge is total DNMC!


What really impresses me is that I was able to get people to do what I want even though they don't understand a word I say... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
08/16/2010 05:10:44 PM · #24
Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

How ya doin', Oliver ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' h2? I'm just a smidgeon above my average.


Waaay below my average. I got that posthumous spell on my image :(


Not to worry, mine's sinking rapidly. *sigh*
08/16/2010 05:06:01 PM · #25
Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Well, except for fruit, they are all shots of products of some kind.


True. My entry has *counts on fingers* at least 4 different products that I bought.


I guess mine has only two products that I bought, plus one that I rented.

Oh, and I haven't seen any dogs in this case, but at least one court has held that dogs are not a product. Someone once tried to sue someone else (a dog seller, I guess) in a products liability case, alleging that their dog was defective, but the court threw the case out.
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