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08/12/2010 10:56:28 PM · #76
Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

I like the descriptions of what constitutes a still life that I found in two separate Flickr group pages.

Here: Still Life #1

and...

Here: Still Life #2

I will be using these guide lines when voting, but if anyone thinks the descriptions are lacking please comment.

Dave


I like those definitions too. Pretty much what I think of when hearing the term still life.


One of the definition is:"What we don't want to see - Found still life, portraits, pets, landscape, flower macros, abstracts, macros, any sort of movement or motion, etc. "
Is the smoke allowed in a stiil life according to this definition when you are voting?
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eta: I think it is ok, but I wonder how voters think.

Message edited by author 2010-08-12 23:28:23.
08/12/2010 11:02:59 PM · #77
I am no expert, Deen, but I think the smoke would be completely acceptable. That is, as long as it is completely stop motioned (no blur). It adds to the realism of the setup in your example.
08/13/2010 12:11:01 AM · #78
"The still life photographer makes pictures rather than takes them. Knowing where to look for propping and surfaces also is a required skill."

Considered as one of the most challenge skills of all photography styles.
08/13/2010 01:10:18 AM · #79
Originally posted by Deen:

Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by DCNUTTER:

I like the descriptions of what constitutes a still life that I found in two separate Flickr group pages.

Here: Still Life #1

and...

Here: Still Life #2

I will be using these guide lines when voting, but if anyone thinks the descriptions are lacking please comment.

Dave


I like those definitions too. Pretty much what I think of when hearing the term still life.


One of the definition is:"What we don't want to see - Found still life, portraits, pets, landscape, flower macros, abstracts, macros, any sort of movement or motion, etc. "
Is the smoke allowed in a stiil life according to this definition when you are voting?
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eta: I think it is ok, but I wonder how voters think.


I would not have any issue with smoke in a still life photo provided it wasn't the sole or predominant element of the photo, and was only there as a compositional enhancement. I also feel the same as giantmike that it should be a stop motion, and not motion blurred.

Message edited by author 2010-08-13 01:29:41.
08/13/2010 12:37:40 PM · #80
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

"The still life photographer makes pictures rather than takes them. Knowing where to look for propping and surfaces also is a required skill."

Considered as one of the most challenge skills of all photography styles.


Considered by whom? It's actually a painting genre. Does anyone really consider it a significant genre of photography?
08/13/2010 01:18:06 PM · #81
Look at Amy's work:

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Seriously...4 pages debating what a Still Life is, it's no wonder people are running away from this site.

Message edited by author 2010-08-13 13:20:11.
08/13/2010 03:47:42 PM · #82
Originally posted by RKT:

Look at Amy's work:

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Seriously...4 pages debating what a Still Life is, it's no wonder people are running away from this site.


No kidding! It's the same energy people put into debating religion or politically hot issues. Spinning in circles. Nothing decided.
08/13/2010 03:53:02 PM · #83
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by JustCaree:

man you guys sure know how to give a girl a headache.

They sure do...!


Ive come to the conclusion that Ill photograph what I think constitutes as a still life and if the voters like it great... if not thats fine too... this trying to please voters is crap... after all photography is art... and beauty is in the eye of the beholder... and there is no way to please everyone.... so why bother trying.... fighting and bickering and stressing over it is just plain useless.
08/13/2010 04:11:48 PM · #84
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by RKT:

Look at Amy's work:

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Seriously...4 pages debating what a Still Life is, it's no wonder people are running away from this site.


No kidding! It's the same energy people put into debating religion or politically hot issues. Spinning in circles. Nothing decided.


Interesting, as I really enjoy seeing the multiple sides to the arguments, and learning from them. When a challenge is announced, and I don't really know what it means, I do look up some information. But then I get to see how that information is interpreted by multiple people, and often learn quite a bit that way.
08/13/2010 04:18:51 PM · #85
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by RKT:

Look at Amy's work:

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Seriously...4 pages debating what a Still Life is, it's no wonder people are running away from this site.


No kidding! It's the same energy people put into debating religion or politically hot issues. Spinning in circles. Nothing decided.


but it's not really a dpc thread until you get another 4 pages of people debating about whether or not we should be debating.

The point isn't to decide. The point is to think, possibly learn something.

And, perhaps more important, to reduce the number of product shots. Or so I pray.
08/13/2010 11:08:12 PM · #86
Here, here good ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Posthumous....
08/13/2010 11:17:07 PM · #87
I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?
08/13/2010 11:31:34 PM · #88
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

What's with the run of black and white? Not complaining, I like it far more than the DPColourful we usually see, just curious!


... and isnt it the perfect antidote for HDR and Topaz fatigue?
08/13/2010 11:46:26 PM · #89
Originally posted by bvy:

I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?


Yes it can. The difference between composed and found is one of process, not genre.
08/13/2010 11:50:40 PM · #90
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bvy:

I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?


Yes it can. The difference between composed and found is one of process, not genre.


...and I can tell you that finding is a WHOLE lot easier than composing - for me anyway.
If I did it more would I get better at it?
08/13/2010 11:54:49 PM · #91
Originally posted by bvy:

I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?


Is that what you mean by decomposed?
08/13/2010 11:57:28 PM · #92
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:

Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:

What's with the run of black and white? Not complaining, I like it far more than the DPColourful we usually see, just curious!


... and isnt it the perfect antidote for HDR and Topaz fatigue?


...unless it's HDR and Topaz in BW!
08/14/2010 12:03:42 AM · #93
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bvy:

I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?


Yes it can. The difference between composed and found is one of process, not genre.


Well stated. And it's what I was hoping to hear. I have my own preconceived ideas on the matter, but was curious as to what others thought (i.e. how voters will vote).
08/14/2010 12:03:59 AM · #94
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by bvy:

I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?


Is that what you mean by decomposed?


Such life is the stillest of all, right?
08/14/2010 12:18:56 AM · #95
better in french. la nature morte. actually as soon as something is ripe it is already decomposing. nous memes.
08/14/2010 02:23:25 AM · #96
Set up a group of beautiful objects, add light, and your photograph will be stunning. Still life photography gives you creative control over your subject.

Very clear
08/14/2010 02:46:10 AM · #97
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bvy:

I'll ask again. Does a still life have to be formally composed? Can it be "found"?


Yes it can. The difference between composed and found is one of process, not genre.


This is incorrect. A still life gives the artist or photographer compositional control over subjects...inanimate subjects to be exact. The way the artist or photographer creates the scene with their own compositional and lighting skills is as important as the end result. Walking up to a scene that you found and taking a photo of it is not the intent or definition of still life. Obviously, the voter will in most cases never know if you were the one who lit or arranged the elements to make the shot your own, but if you want the benefit of knowing yourself that you did it right then you must actively collect and compose the composition yourself including lighting in an artificial setting...ie. one that you specifically created to be the subject of your photo/painting.

To each their own, but let's not dilute the true meaning of what a Still Life is just for the sake of making the challenge easier.

Message edited by author 2010-08-14 02:47:54.
08/14/2010 04:47:04 AM · #98
Originally posted by tnun:

better in french. la nature morte. actually as soon as something is ripe it is already decomposing. nous memes.


hêh hêh
08/14/2010 10:18:22 AM · #99
Originally posted by posthumous:



Considered by whom? It's actually a painting genre. Does anyone really consider it a significant genre of photography?

Read a good book.
Or see some pictures.


Message edited by author 2010-08-14 10:19:54.
08/14/2010 10:47:59 AM · #100
Must good music also be composed? What about jazz improvisation? Or birdsong?
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