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09/07/2010 06:00:42 PM · #1
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:



Not really. In PJ, this rule from AE is the one Journalism professors harp on over and over again. "You may not use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer’s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.

THAT is consistent with real world PJ work. Global editing, even spot removal, is very consistent with how real photo editors get the final image out.



Too true. Nobody files photos for any paper, website or magazine that haven't been through basic levels, curves, hue/sat, etc. unless they don't have the tools to do so. So really, with basic editing rules intact, this is more of a "Local Weekly Newspaper Photojournalism" challenge.
09/07/2010 03:38:06 PM · #2
6.36. Not ribbon territory :(
09/07/2010 03:10:29 PM · #3
I was almost at a 6.5, then starting late Sunday I slowly dipped to 6.2500. Still happy so far.
09/07/2010 02:35:44 PM · #4
Originally posted by PapaBob:

Originally posted by jminso:

Dropped below a 6 for the fist time in several days. I don't get these last 50 voters. Some people shouldn't be allowed to vote in certain challenges.


Ya, how dare they have opinions!!!!


Good I am glad you see my point :)

I am curious if I will break a 6 again... It is very close at the moment.
09/07/2010 02:08:05 PM · #5
i actually had an exact 5 voting average for this challenge, which is way below my norm. i haven't been reading any threads but it seems to me like most entries missed the mark on the challenge description....or at least what i had hoped to see i guess

Joe
09/07/2010 01:48:44 PM · #6
Votes: 173
Views: 282
Avg Vote: 5.7168
Comments: 3
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/07/10 01:10 pm

Not a stellar score but, hey, got a fav and good comments... and I like the image anyway...
09/07/2010 12:12:36 PM · #7
Originally posted by jminso:

Dropped below a 6 for the fist time in several days. I don't get these last 50 voters. Some people shouldn't be allowed to vote in certain challenges.


Ya, how dare they have opinions!!!!
09/07/2010 11:59:31 AM · #8
Votes: 169
Views: 350
Avg Vote: 6.0769
Comments: 18
Favorites: 1
09/06/2010 05:02:48 PM · #9
Dropped below a 6 for the fist time in several days. I don't get these last 50 voters. Some people shouldn't be allowed to vote in certain challenges.
09/06/2010 12:26:07 PM · #10
Originally posted by Skip:

i didn't vote, but i did manage to comment on all the entries. hope nobody takes the comments personally - i was just reacting to the images as if i were the photo director, looking for tomorrow's front page photo.


I think it's great to get a comment from someone with experience in this topic. Thanks Skip!
09/06/2010 12:13:51 PM · #11
I was extremely offended! How dare you not like my image... jk
09/04/2010 11:19:29 PM · #12
i didn't vote, but i did manage to comment on all the entries. hope nobody takes the comments personally - i was just reacting to the images as if i were the photo director, looking for tomorrow's front page photo.

Message edited by author 2010-09-04 23:19:53.
09/04/2010 10:15:21 AM · #13
Votes: 120
Views: 197
Avg Vote: 5.6833
Comments: 6

Happy with the score and great comments all around :-)
09/03/2010 08:58:48 PM · #14
Im content with this.

Votes: 117
Views: 207
Avg Vote: 6.3248
Comments: 6
09/03/2010 06:38:48 PM · #15
Votes: 112
Views: 196
Avg Vote: 6.2857
Comments: 5
09/03/2010 05:52:54 PM · #16
Votes: 115
Views: 197
Avg Vote: 6.0609
Comments: 2
09/02/2010 08:50:44 AM · #17
Great - now that you've all hashed it out.. back to the scores!!!

Votes: 84
Views: 140
Avg Vote: 5.8571 (dropped a bit but still happy)
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 09/02/10 08:49 am
09/02/2010 08:04:31 AM · #18
Just to add to the thread, here's a DPC discussion about a photog from my area who used to work for the Toledo Blade. He has since moved on with doing some very good wedding photography and other side projects.

Message edited by author 2010-09-02 08:04:41.
09/02/2010 01:20:35 AM · #19
Stuff Happens, Everywhere
I'm sure that some of you have seen this article, about the Chinese RR photo flap.
09/02/2010 12:32:05 AM · #20
Originally posted by MattO:


Spot removal will result in your removal from many if not all news publications. The paper I worked for even removed a photographer for fixing redeye on a sports photo. Albeit he did a horrible job. It's unethical to remove ANYTHING from a photo in Journalism. Anyone who tells you it's OK obviously isn't very ethical or educated in journalism.

Ethics a good read.


I have a BA in Journalism, don't need to read an online ethics article. I've read it all. I know the OJ darkening story. The moving of the pyramids, etc... not new news to me. Have an AP style guide sitting on the shelf behind me.

Not planning on going back to PJ work anyway, other than a few photos to accompany feature stories I produce. I much prefer models over Politicians and high school football.

In hard news, dust spot removal is quite common... red eye, a tad excessive to be anal about that... but I guess you have to play by your employers rules. At my busiest, I never processed my own work anyway, just walked in, walked out with a new assignment.

Anyway, don't worry about me... not gonna argue with ya... that's your life now, not mine. Hell, I'm not even affecting the scores of this challenge. Peace.

Message edited by author 2010-09-02 00:35:59.
09/01/2010 11:57:54 PM · #21
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


Apart from the "no crop, no rotate" aspect of it, minimal editing is very consistent with the photojournalistic world.


Not really. In PJ, this rule from AE is the one Journalism professors harp on over and over again. "You may not use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer’s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.

THAT is consistent with real world PJ work. Global editing, even spot removal, is very consistent with how real photo editors get the final image out.

I've been on both sides of the photo desk, even when I had to do most of the work in an actual darkroom.

I'm sorry and MattO is a good photographer, but I can not agree with him on this.


Spot removal will result in your removal from many if not all news publications. The paper I worked for even removed a photographer for fixing redeye on a sports photo. Albeit he did a horrible job. It's unethical to remove ANYTHING from a photo in Journalism. Anyone who tells you it's OK obviously isn't very ethical or educated in journalism.

Ethics a good read.

Message edited by author 2010-09-02 00:00:13.
09/01/2010 08:44:06 PM · #22
Originally posted by MattO:

And as a current working Press photographer(and the person who suggested Min. Editing) I appreciate what it takes to get it right in the camera and not lean on PS to get it right.


Amen.

Not at all unhappy with this.
Votes: 65
Views: 114
Avg Vote: 5.4769
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
09/01/2010 05:22:14 PM · #23
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


Apart from the "no crop, no rotate" aspect of it, minimal editing is very consistent with the photojournalistic world.


Not really. In PJ, this rule from AE is the one Journalism professors harp on over and over again. "You may not use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer’s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.

THAT is consistent with real world PJ work. Global editing, even spot removal, is very consistent with how real photo editors get the final image out.

I've been on both sides of the photo desk, even when I had to do most of the work in an actual darkroom.

I'm sorry and MattO is a good photographer, but I can not agree with him on this.

Message edited by author 2010-09-01 17:23:13.
09/01/2010 05:15:39 PM · #24
broke a 6

Votes: 60
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 6.0500
Comments: 1

eta: this is my second minimal challenge entry and it is looking like both will be on my profile page. maybe this means I overthink post work or just suck at it lol.

Message edited by author 2010-09-01 17:16:50.
09/01/2010 04:57:26 PM · #25
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by MattO:


And as a current working Press photographer(and the person who suggested Min. Editing) I appreciate what it takes to get it right in the camera and not lean on PS to get it right.


As a working Press Photographer you should realize that we are expected to shoot for a crop of which we don't often know the dimensions. Therefore lose in-camera cropping is the norm, as is constantly flipping from portrait to landscape.

Works great in real life. You can count on the layout team to crop the final. Min. Ed. doesn't allow that basic luxury.

You can spit that get it right in-camera BS all you want, but it's very inconsistent with real world photojournalism.


It was the lesser of two evils, Leroy. Apart from the "no crop, no rotate" aspect of it, minimal editing is very consistent with the photojournalistic world. Far more so than even basic editing, which permits liberties with the image no working photojournalist could afford to indulge in.

R.
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