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01/24/2011 05:07:27 PM · #26
Originally posted by Cinnamon_Girl:

Originally posted by JH:

I started playing golf in my early 30s. At first, it was just an odd weekend game with friends - I didn't care much that my score was so bad and I lost so many balls. But after a couple of years, I got the bug. I played every weekend, hit the driving range, and started taking lessons from a pro.

The hobby was costing me a fortune, both in gear and in lessons. Like you, I couldn't see any improvement at first, but I persevered. I joined a club and played a round of golf every single day for a year. I started playing in competitions, learned the rules back to front. Read the books, and magazines. Trying to perfect my swing.

In the end, I realised I was naturally shite at golf; so I put my clubs in the attic where they've stayed to this day.

Never felt so relieved in my life to be out of a hobby.


That is a depressing story =/

ANYWAY. I hope it doesn't turn out that way for me. I want to take photos that make ME happy. Bonus if somebody else likes it, but I'm fed up of being disappointed with myself. I know I have zero confidence and that is like banging my head against a brick wall.

When I mentioned people making money from photography, I wasn't meaning to imply that I want to make money from this. I don't give a rabbit's arse. I was just using it as an example of how some people get so good so fast, and it's irritating because I'm not one of them.

I definitely need to start entering challenges. I need some direction, because I keep going around in circles.

Thanks for all your input guys.


I'm not sure what you are seeking, Lisa? If you are going round in circles, I guess circles may be a good starting point. I am not being flippant, it just feels like you are desperate to become a 'photog' with a style, one that is recognised as good. It doesn't work that way for the majority of us here, we just take shots of what we like:) You do have a dark style, which could be developed further, but I think you need to let go of a direction and just take photos.
01/24/2011 05:15:05 PM · #27
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by Cinnamon_Girl:

I was just using it as an example of how some people get so good so fast, and it's irritating because I'm not one of them.

It took me 18 months of getting beat up by better photographers on this site until I snagged my first ribbon, and that was a total surprise to me. For me, it has been a lot of small lessons that somehow eventually came together. Some of my most successful entries have been shots with only limited appeal. There are other people who have been here far longer and have never gotten one. There are also many of them who are achieving what they want out of their photography and they know their style will never have the kind of mass appeal it takes to ribbon.

Give yourself some time and wear your thickest skin.

Interested to know what your average score was during that 18months?
01/24/2011 06:34:12 PM · #28
You try because you want to be a photographer. That's all it takes!

Keep trying.
01/24/2011 07:47:31 PM · #29
Originally posted by gcoulson:

Interested to know what your average score was during that 18months?

Somewhere in the range of 5.25 to 5.35, I believe. Had some good scoring entries in that time, but also enough bombs to keep it from climbing much.
01/24/2011 08:00:31 PM · #30
Photography is an ART. You do it because you need to do it. You either do it to have the ten minutes of fame, to be popular and selling it, in which case it's called by a different name (say, making a living) or you go into the "Salon des refuses" which was the fate of most impressionist painters that people adore nowadays ignoring everything else. I wish I can be more eloquent than that.
If you look for validation you might not do the photography for the right reasons.
I personally look for comments and learning.
01/24/2011 08:38:03 PM · #31
Originally posted by Cinnamon_Girl:

Originally posted by JH:

I started playing golf in my early 30s. At first, it was just an odd weekend game with friends - I didn't care much that my score was so bad and I lost so many balls. But after a couple of years, I got the bug. I played every weekend, hit the driving range, and started taking lessons from a pro.

The hobby was costing me a fortune, both in gear and in lessons. Like you, I couldn't see any improvement at first, but I persevered. I joined a club and played a round of golf every single day for a year. I started playing in competitions, learned the rules back to front. Read the books, and magazines. Trying to perfect my swing.

In the end, I realised I was naturally shite at golf; so I put my clubs in the attic where they've stayed to this day.

Never felt so relieved in my life to be out of a hobby.


That is a depressing story =/

For me, the ending was a good one. I was making myself miserable, coming home from golf games ranting and getting pissed off with my score. What's the point in that? I was getting no enjoyment out of it, so I was better off out of it, spending my time doing something I might actually enjoy instead.
01/24/2011 09:04:25 PM · #32
Originally posted by mariuca:

Photography... You do it because you need to do it. You either do it... or you go into the "Salon des refuses" which was the fate of most impressionist painters that people adore nowadays ignoring everything else. I wish I can be more eloquent than that...


Gist and pith.
01/24/2011 09:17:58 PM · #33
dont wory be happy., I rarely get anywhere near a 5 and it took me a lot of hard work to even get the Brown!!
keep the faith shoot the photos which will do well on this site andwill score with the voters., Basically sell your soul and Ideals is a good start to win a ribbon IAEF theres always Bribery and corruption
01/24/2011 10:20:23 PM · #34
Originally posted by Cinnamon_Girl:

My photos are shit. There we go, big epiphany moment. They were shit when I first laid my hands on a camera 7 years ago and lo, they are still shit. Not one iota of improvement. Seven years of clicking, reading, studying, begging for one crumb of something that I can hold up and say "LOOK! I'm getting somewhere!".


But are you having fun??
01/24/2011 10:34:29 PM · #35
I would like to say I can see where Cinnamon_Girl is coming from. I have been on this site (of and on) for a long time. I have gotten frustrated and angry and have little to show for it. I did decide that I must do this for me. If I like the photos then that is all that matters. I will say that once I came to this conclusion I think I have steadily improved (in my eyes as well as some others I trust). After all, it is a hobby. It is not supposed to be fun for anyone else.
01/25/2011 02:53:36 AM · #36
Originally posted by tph1:



But are you having fun??


In the moment of taking photos, yes absolutely, there's nothing I'd rather be doing. But then afterwards I can't help thinking 'this isn't good enough'. I don't want false validation, I want to improve so that I can be satisfied with what I made.
01/25/2011 03:36:27 AM · #37
Stages of a Photographer
01/25/2011 03:55:52 AM · #38
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Stages of a Photographer


Oh good, at least I have death to look forward to :)
01/25/2011 04:34:17 AM · #39
Chin up, now. You've entered three challenges and all three images have seriously compelling bits. Maybe you've got loads of lousy photos stacked under your bed, but certainly what's on display here is at the very least a strong foundation, both artistically and technically.

Of course if you're truly discouraged you can just buy a body cover for a couple bucks and make a pinhole, which is what I'm currently doing.
01/25/2011 08:35:12 AM · #40
Originally posted by Cinnamon_Girl:

I don't want false validation...

That's good, but you'll unfortunately find plenty of it here. You might try posting a few non-challenge photos in the forums that you consider your "best work" (if you have any), and ask for serious critique. Or post the shite. Either way, you'll get unvarnished responses if that's what you ask for.
01/25/2011 08:41:16 AM · #41
Originally posted by Louis:

That's good, but you'll unfortunately find plenty of it here.

Interesting perspective, because I've felt this is not a place where I get false praise. Not in the voted challenges, anyway. If I wanted false praise I could just post to some lame "post one, award 3" type groups on Flickr.
01/25/2011 01:28:08 PM · #42

As has been said many times before - and will be said many more times - go through other peoples shots and comment on them.

Learn to understand what you like and dislike by immersing yourself in images - possibly more so than taking them, at least if you know what you like you can try to figure out a way of capturing it, and for many that is part of the fun.

Why not show people what you are trying to do so they can help more specifically ?

I'm not sure where you live in the UK but have you ever tried to get to any of the GTG's when they happen ? or see if their are any DPC'ers near you ?

p.s. you could probably be more generous with the scores you give out as well, relax a little and enjoy :- )



Message edited by author 2011-01-26 17:32:43.
01/25/2011 01:51:07 PM · #43
Each year over the last 6 or 7 I go into a funk about this time and need to battle to get out of it. I think my stuff sucks and I should just sell all my gear and take up collecting stamps or something. Then I get out of it, and work hard to reconnect with photography. I fight through it, my photography improves and I like shooting again.

This was a video that Zack Arias did and I find it helps keep things in perspective:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZYlQ4Wv8lE

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