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02/03/2011 08:39:38 AM · #51
They really should do some sort of remedial class in self-awareness shouldn't they.
02/04/2011 02:10:35 PM · #52
I haven't read all the thread but all I can tell you as an Egyptian staying in Cairo, that Al Jasera the Arabic channel is the most channel stood by the Egyptian people revolution from the start, they even stopped transmitting any other news in other Arab world areas except for the Egyptian news, even when the government shut down the cellular communications and the internet all over Egypt, if it weren't for Al Jasera, We would have been literally blind, the government tried of course to shut it down by all non legal means but they failed, so for the rest of the world, if you want to see and hear what's going on in Egypt turn Al Jasera on and the main media materials are live videos and photos, and this can't be tampered with to deliver any false news. by the way, Al jasera means in Arabic the island
02/09/2011 10:10:38 AM · #53
why would you disparage facts like usa as arms merchant. we are. who do you think puts these dictators in power? who do you think extends empire by using these states as outposts "for usa interests"; what do you think we sell in these countries (when we are not plundering their natural resources)? we sell what we make, and we dont make much! we DO make weapons of moderate and mass destruction. we are empire. usa citizens did not ever vote for empire. republican outgoing president eisenhower warned us of this 50 years ago - and indeed the military industrial complex runs the usa.

and just why is al-jazeera "disgusting" - you throw that out here and dont back it up. are you listening to too much usa hate radio? too much Fox News?

Originally posted by samanwar:

You bet there is, a huge difference actually. On the English version, you rarely hear "facts" such as that US soldier are systematically and intentionally killing innocent civilians in Iraq, that Muslims are being persecuted in the US and Europe much worse than any discrimination against Christians in the middle-east, and that Israel actually deserves to be wiped off the map.

As I am writing this, the Arabic version mentioned that the US shipped weapons to the Egyptian police to kill the demonstrators and that Israel may had sent snipers inside Egypt to help with the killing also. My favorite report was last month where it was discovered that the sharks that attacked tourists in the red sea were trained by the Israeli Mossad specially for that purpose.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by samanwar:

Al-Jazeera is disgusting in my opinion. CNN, Fox news and BBC are not perfect, but they don't have the same level of bullsh!t and lies like Al-Jazeera.


Is there a difference between the English version and the arabic one?
02/10/2011 05:14:28 AM · #54
[quote=samanwar]
As I am writing this, the Arabic version mentioned that the US shipped weapons to the Egyptian police to kill the demonstrators

why don't you tell the rest of that news,there were pictures of protectors holding the tear gas bombs that the police throw at them with the writing made in USA, which by the way killed many from suffocation, here is the link:

' . substr('//spectregroup.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/egypt-uprising-tear-gas-canisters-made-in-the-usa.jpeg?w=500&h=379', strrpos('//spectregroup.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/egypt-uprising-tear-gas-canisters-made-in-the-usa.jpeg?w=500&h=379', '/') + 1) . '

and about the killing weapon there was a report, and here's an article about that:

//www.alternet.org/world/149739/made_in_the_u.s.a.:_tear_gas,_tanks,_guns_and_fighter_planes_used_against_egyptian_protestors_funded_and_built_by_u.s.
02/10/2011 10:16:14 AM · #55
That's obviously photoshopped. Everyone knows nothing is made in the USA anymore. . . .

(And just to continue my sarcasm, if I hit someone with a bat that is Made in China, can I claim the Chinese are supplying me with weapons?)
02/10/2011 12:02:30 PM · #56
Well, really it looks pretty humane. It clearly has a section on "first aid" for the people being beat down by the dictator with the tear gas and smoke bombs...
02/10/2011 01:36:18 PM · #57
Originally posted by karmat:

That's obviously photoshopped. Everyone knows nothing is made in the USA anymore. . . .

(And just to continue my sarcasm, if I hit someone with a bat that is Made in China, can I claim the Chinese are supplying me with weapons?)


;)

Message edited by author 2011-02-10 15:17:05.
02/10/2011 02:57:00 PM · #58
Originally posted by Kliopatra:

Originally posted by karmat:

That's obviously photoshopped. Everyone knows nothing is made in the USA anymore. . . .

(And just to continue my sarcasm, if I hit someone with a bat that is Made in China, can I claim the Chinese are supplying me with weapons?)


deny it as much as you want, I'm not the one standing in the dark by a government, spending my money on killing Innocent people in a foreign countries.
Where I'm, Egypt is rising once again and that's what matters to me.


You neglected to note that I was being sarcastic.
02/10/2011 03:16:33 PM · #59
Sorry about that, read many post in the thread that goes like your sarcasm except that they are not kidding, forgive my neglection, so much excitement going on in these days, made it hard to follow every word.
02/10/2011 06:47:20 PM · #60
Originally posted by Kliopatra:

[quote=samanwar]
As I am writing this, the Arabic version mentioned that the US shipped weapons to the Egyptian police to kill the demonstrators

why don't you tell the rest of that news,there were pictures of protectors holding the tear gas bombs that the police throw at them with the writing made in USA, which by the way killed many from suffocation, here is the link:

' . substr('//spectregroup.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/egypt-uprising-tear-gas-canisters-made-in-the-usa.jpeg?w=500&h=379', strrpos('//spectregroup.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/egypt-uprising-tear-gas-canisters-made-in-the-usa.jpeg?w=500&h=379', '/') + 1) . '

and about the killing weapon there was a report, and here's an article about that:

//www.alternet.org/world/149739/made_in_the_u.s.a.:_tear_gas,_tanks,_guns_and_fighter_planes_used_against_egyptian_protestors_funded_and_built_by_u.s.


Just be glad it's tear gas made in the U.S., the Thai police used Chinese-made tear gas against protester in 2008 and the canisters exploded, killing many of them.
02/10/2011 11:35:21 PM · #61
Originally posted by Kliopatra:

[quote=samanwar]
As I am writing this, the Arabic version mentioned that the US shipped weapons to the Egyptian police to kill the demonstrators

why don't you tell the rest of that news,there were pictures of protectors holding the tear gas bombs that the police throw at them with the writing made in USA, which by the way killed many from suffocation, here is the link:

' . substr('//spectregroup.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/egypt-uprising-tear-gas-canisters-made-in-the-usa.jpeg?w=500&h=379', strrpos('//spectregroup.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/egypt-uprising-tear-gas-canisters-made-in-the-usa.jpeg?w=500&h=379', '/') + 1) . '

and about the killing weapon there was a report, and here's an article about that:

//www.alternet.org/world/149739/made_in_the_u.s.a.:_tear_gas,_tanks,_guns_and_fighter_planes_used_against_egyptian_protestors_funded_and_built_by_u.s.


Yes, the tear gas can is made in the USA, but the Al Jazeera reported it as if the US shipped it to Egypt, NOW, SPECIFICALLY to use it against the peaceful protesters. And they ignore that most of the Egyptian weapons used by the army also comes from USA. What doesn't Egypt import from abroad? medicine, cars, electronics, Software, even wheat!
Also, Aljazeera ignores that the USA is standing firm with the Egyptian protesters and against the Mubarak dictatorship, they ignore that USA journalists risked their lives to be in Tahrir sq to show the world what the egyptian police was doing, they ignore that to a great extent the USA participated in forcing the government to stop the violence against the protesters. I agree Al Jazeera did a good job covering the Egypt crisis, but they need to stop the unnecessary bias and hatred toward the US.
02/11/2011 06:35:13 PM · #62
Originally posted by samanwar:


Yes, the tear gas can is made in the USA, but the Al Jazeera reported it as if the US shipped it to Egypt, NOW, SPECIFICALLY to use it against the peaceful protesters. And they ignore that most of the Egyptian weapons used by the army also comes from USA. What doesn't Egypt import from abroad? medicine, cars, electronics, Software, even wheat!


So, what you trying to say, is that US shipped the tear gas long time ago to the dictator Egyptian government and it turned to be a big mistake, since they used it against peaceful protesters, Poor US government, got scammed.

Originally posted by samanwar:


Also, Aljazeera ignores that the USA is standing firm with the Egyptian protesters and against the Mubarak dictatorship


first at all, that's not true at all, Al Jazera, aired live your president and secretary of state - with the translation of course - statements & press release and also your white house spokesman statements, all was aired live from the beginning of the revolution until this moment.
second matter, if this is what you call ((standing firm)) with the Egyptian people, than they shouldn't have, they making it worst for their interests, these statements won't sell, maybe in US, but not here, since they are not that much different from statements coming from our unconstitutional government at their time of release.

Originally posted by samanwar:


they ignore that USA journalists risked their lives to be in Tahrir sq to show the world what the egyptian police was doing


that's not true also, whenever, a foreign journalist get injured or arrested by the authorities, they always announce it immediately, like they announced the arrest details of two French along with one Arabian Journalists in Tahrir Sq., and of course, there would be a US journalists among others covering the news to show the Americans and the world the truth., even working for Al Jezera itself, no need to tell us Egyptians that.

Originally posted by samanwar:


they ignore that to a great extent the USA participated in forcing the government to stop the violence against the protesters.


Hahaaahaaaa, that's funny, USA forced the gov. to stop the violence, and how they did that from your point of view???
what stopped the violence three things not more:

1) the gov. eventually realized that you can't harm someone who isn't afraid to die for his cause and will not stop until he claim his rights.
2) they tried every plan they could come up with and they all failed, so they had to stop the violence, since they ran out of it's methods.
3) the live broadcast of Al Jazera during the hard days of the revolution stopped them from making a massacre, they can't do it under the rest of the world eyes and ears.

For myself as an Egyptian, I'm thankful for them, for contributing to save a lot of Egyptian youth to be killed in one of the biggest massacres in the modern history.

now, excuse me, can't waste a minute, I have a revolution victory celebration to attend ;)
02/11/2011 07:16:29 PM · #63
This whole thing in Egypt reminds me a lot of the Iranian revolution.

I'm just waiting for the "peaceful" students to storm the US Embassy and take the infidels hostage. Maybe the Army will decide, since they're in charge now, that whole peace accord with Israel doesn't count and do something stupid and start WWIII.

02/11/2011 07:25:04 PM · #64
Originally posted by Spork99:

This whole thing in Egypt reminds me a lot of the Iranian revolution.

I'm just waiting for the "peaceful" students to storm the US Embassy and take the infidels hostage. Maybe the Army will decide, since they're in charge now, that whole peace accord with Israel doesn't count and do something stupid and start WWIII.


At the very least Mubarak provided stability on that front by honoring that treaty. It's a bit of a dice roll to see where it goes. Israel, unfortunately, doesn't exactly have a track record of suffering small threats and ignoring posturing. Here's to hope.
02/11/2011 07:48:05 PM · #65
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Spork99:

This whole thing in Egypt reminds me a lot of the Iranian revolution.

I'm just waiting for the "peaceful" students to storm the US Embassy and take the infidels hostage. Maybe the Army will decide, since they're in charge now, that whole peace accord with Israel doesn't count and do something stupid and start WWIII.


At the very least Mubarak provided stability on that front by honoring that treaty. It's a bit of a dice roll to see where it goes. Israel, unfortunately, doesn't exactly have a track record of suffering small threats and ignoring posturing. Here's to hope.


Meekness isn't really an effective strategy when you're outnumbered and surrounded by people who believe that it's their religious duty to exterminate your people and destroy your country.
02/12/2011 06:40:49 AM · #66
Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Spork99:

This whole thing in Egypt reminds me a lot of the Iranian revolution.

I'm just waiting for the "peaceful" students to storm the US Embassy and take the infidels hostage. Maybe the Army will decide, since they're in charge now, that whole peace accord with Israel doesn't count and do something stupid and start WWIII.


At the very least Mubarak provided stability on that front by honoring that treaty. It's a bit of a dice roll to see where it goes. Israel, unfortunately, doesn't exactly have a track record of suffering small threats and ignoring posturing. Here's to hope.


Meekness isn't really an effective strategy when you're outnumbered and surrounded by people who believe that it's their religious duty to exterminate your people and destroy your country.


It would be about time to fight WWIII. Maybe the west and rest of the world will all wake up and realize that we are living with a billion people who believe that it's their regligious duty to exterminate us and destroy our countries. It's not just Israel, it's all of us.
02/12/2011 07:29:43 AM · #67
This thread comes at just the right time :)

Im writing a research paper on Anthropological theories on warfare, now im going to sit here and observe! Do some cyber-ethnographic fieldwork on you guys ;)
02/12/2011 11:06:13 AM · #68
Originally posted by photodude:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Spork99:

This whole thing in Egypt reminds me a lot of the Iranian revolution.

I'm just waiting for the "peaceful" students to storm the US Embassy and take the infidels hostage. Maybe the Army will decide, since they're in charge now, that whole peace accord with Israel doesn't count and do something stupid and start WWIII.


At the very least Mubarak provided stability on that front by honoring that treaty. It's a bit of a dice roll to see where it goes. Israel, unfortunately, doesn't exactly have a track record of suffering small threats and ignoring posturing. Here's to hope.


Meekness isn't really an effective strategy when you're outnumbered and surrounded by people who believe that it's their religious duty to exterminate your people and destroy your country.


It would be about time to fight WWIII. Maybe the west and rest of the world will all wake up and realize that we are living with a billion people who believe that it's their regligious duty to exterminate us and destroy our countries. It's not just Israel, it's all of us.


LOL. That's the stupidest thing I've heard from you yet (and that's saying a lot). You have no idea what war is like up close, do you?
02/12/2011 11:52:18 AM · #69
Originally posted by Spork99:

LOL. That's the stupidest thing I've heard from you yet (and that's saying a lot). You have no idea what war is like up close, do you?


Not so stupid when you live in NY and 1 Billion cult members would like to see you perish.

I would be willing to risk my life to kill them before they get a chance to kill me.

Message edited by author 2011-02-12 11:56:52.
02/12/2011 12:01:34 PM · #70
Sigh. Here we go again.

Anyway, leaving aside ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' photodude's paranoid masturbatory war fantasies for the moment, it really is wonderful news in Egypt. Cause for celebration indeed and i hope the transition period goes well.
02/12/2011 12:13:09 PM · #71
And how long do you think it will be until there is a fundamentalist takeover or a military consolidation in Egypt? In Iran 30 years ago, there was a nominal legislative government for a short time after the Shah. It took the Islamics a bit of time until they formally grabbed power.

And todays quiz...

Name the Islamic democracy?
02/12/2011 12:26:47 PM · #72
I don't think there will be a fundamentalist takeover in Egypt. Egypt today is a very different country than Iran 30 years ago. As i said up thread, i used to live in Egypt and still have many friends there, both Muslim and other, and there really isn't huge support for the Muslim Brotherhood and fundamentalist Islam and what sympathy there is for them tends to come from the work they've done over the years highlighting torture victims and prisoners spat out from Mubaraks regime. I don't know what will happen but i don't think the Mulsim Brotherhood will play the major role but rather a minor one.
02/12/2011 12:28:24 PM · #73
Originally posted by photodude:

In Iran 30 years ago, there was a nominal legislative government for a short time after the Shah.

Egypt isn't Iran and, as with any religion, extremists represent only a small minority of the population. 1 billion muslims aren't the boogeyman.

Originally posted by photodude:

Name the Islamic democracy?

Turkey.
02/12/2011 12:30:48 PM · #74
Originally posted by photodude:

And todays quiz...

Name the Islamic democracy?


The Republic of Maldives?
02/12/2011 12:32:51 PM · #75
Pakistan?
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