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02/20/2011 09:00:50 PM · #101
Kliopatra, what a typical and predicted response you wrote here, let's see:

1- Denial of facts and evidence about 9/11 (not going to go over it here)
2- Conspiracy theories using some childish logic about why 9/11 couldn't had possibly be committed by Muslims (I bet that you believe the Jews did it, don't you?)
3- If the above arguments fail, well, Bin Laden was trained by the US at some point anyway.
4- If everything fail, well any violence or terror acts committed by Muslims are all justified and shouldn't be condemned because there must be some unknown "muslim" brother, sister or cousin currently being killed by americans somewhere in the world.

Your non-sense response just proved everything I wrote.
02/20/2011 09:03:38 PM · #102
Originally posted by Kliopatra:

hahhhhhhha, No, that's not what I meant about not knowing about Islam, this goes beyond ignorance, he doesn't even know that the gloves are already off, and that his country is at two wars with Muslim countries, maybe, he's not an American
:)


Are we really at "war" Yes we have soldiers overseas in Islamic countries but unfortunately they are acting as policemen. In a true war, one does not have to wait for the enemy to shoot at you first - or attempt to blow you up with an IED, before you can attack them. In a true war, you eliminate the enemy until they surrender or perish.
02/20/2011 09:09:56 PM · #103
and back to the original thread, AL Jazera is now trying it's best to transmit the news of the Libyan revolution, they are the most source of news that I follow that confirm the news about Libyan revolution before airing them, since the media blackout and the suppression methods being used in Libya is more excessive than Egypt was.
02/20/2011 10:44:22 PM · #104
Originally posted by samanwar:

Kliopatra, what a typical and predicted response you wrote here, let's see:

1- Denial of facts and evidence about 9/11 (not going to go over it here)


and what are they??? I'm sorry, maybe I didn't hear about them, since US gov. don't have an investigation results of 9/11 published( really, what more can I say about such a farce, that didn't even have a well written script )

Originally posted by samanwar:


2- Conspiracy theories using some childish logic about why 9/11 couldn't had possibly be committed by Muslims (I bet that you believe the Jews did it, don't you?)

to respond to someone Refuting your allegations by giving it an expression is not logic at all and who really did it is not Muslims concern, it's Americans blood, Americans are the people who should be looking into that to protect others.

Originally posted by samanwar:


3- If the above arguments fail, well, Bin Laden was trained by the US at some point anyway.

so you are saying what to that? I don't know what is much worst? deny it or saying that it's Okay for US to sponsor mercenaries which they later on call terrorist and let's not make a big deal out of it!!! that's not a deed of a major country, that's more of a gang style.

Originally posted by samanwar:


4- If everything fail, well any violence or terror acts committed by Muslims are all justified and shouldn't be condemned because there must be some unknown "muslim" brother, sister or cousin currently being killed by americans somewhere in the world.

don't give me that talking and replying to yourself, my words were clear, I'll say it again, maybe you have a hearing problem, to condemn a terror act against innocents in a foreign country which their own people don't want to reveal their real murderer is a second priority to me because I have more important people I care for( and why would you assume that they are ((unknown)) to me )that I want to condemn their killers, this far important than working on((my image))in your short-sighted eyes as a Muslim.

Originally posted by samanwar:


Your non-sense response just proved everything I wrote.
if you really think that you made your point by calling it proving what you wrote through my response, than I think you should work for the 9/11 investigation comity, you would have a great career there.
02/20/2011 10:55:23 PM · #105
Originally posted by photodude:

Originally posted by Kliopatra:

hahhhhhhha, No, that's not what I meant about not knowing about Islam, this goes beyond ignorance, he doesn't even know that the gloves are already off, and that his country is at two wars with Muslim countries, maybe, he's not an American
:)


Are we really at "war" Yes we have soldiers overseas in Islamic countries but unfortunately they are acting as policemen. In a true war, one does not have to wait for the enemy to shoot at you first - or attempt to blow you up with an IED, before you can attack them. In a true war, you eliminate the enemy until they surrender or perish.


yeah, you are completely right, and let me add to that, In a real war, you would be fighting a form of an army forces, not a civilians.
02/20/2011 11:34:13 PM · #106
Kliopatra, as much as I pity you, as much as I am hopeful for the next muslim generations. With the changes we're seeing now all over the middleeast, I am hoping that your country and many others will be able to establish true democracies, and there will be no need to brainwash people into blaming all their problems on the "west" and into creating virtual enemies that don't exist. I am hoping that the next generation will not have this victim mentality that you have, that they will not believe in silly conspiracy theories against them, that they will denounce violence clearly and unequivocally, that they will not support criminals and terrorists whether they share their religion or not.

Until then, you can entertain yourself by watching al-jazeera, you can even investigate "new leads" about the 9/11 attack, and you can certainly work on solving the mysterious shark attacks in Sharm el Sheikh which were obviously trained and orchestrated by Israel!!!
02/21/2011 12:37:07 AM · #107
Originally posted by samanwar:

Kliopatra, as much as I pity you, as much as I am hopeful for the next muslim generations. With the changes we're seeing now all over the middleeast, I am hoping that your country and many others will be able to establish true democracies, and there will be no need to brainwash people into blaming all their problems on the "west" and into creating virtual enemies that don't exist. I am hoping that the next generation will not have this victim mentality that you have, that they will not believe in silly conspiracy theories against them, that they will denounce violence clearly and unequivocally, that they will not support criminals and terrorists whether they share their religion or not.

Until then, you can entertain yourself by watching al-jazeera, you can even investigate "new leads" about the 9/11 attack, and you can certainly work on solving the mysterious shark attacks in Sharm el Sheikh which were obviously trained and orchestrated by Israel!!!


All I can say to you, aside from your idle talk, is that me too have high hopes for the next Muslim generation in my country and others, I wish they will not suffer as my generation have, from corruption, suppression and injustice, and to establish a true democracy by their own hands and by all the people, not the fake democracy you have, and that there will be no more brainwash as you are suffering from your media, this is what I truly want and wish for, but are you sure this is what you want for us!
02/21/2011 01:17:30 AM · #108
Yes Kliopatra, I am sure that this is what I truly hope for your country. Listen, look around you, out of all the countries that are either problematic or posing a threat to the USA, what do you see in common? Here is the answer: Poverty, dictatorship, corruption, lack of human rights, no freedom of speech, no freedom of press, government owned media, poor educational system... Is this a coincidence?
And yet, it is only those 3rd world muslim countries who make these unbelievable notions about our democracy and our media.
It is only those 3rd world muslim countries who blame us if we push for democracy and free elections (because our democracy is fake!!), and also blame us if we don't interfere, because then we're the ones supporting your dictators.

Tell me something, what evidence you have that I am brainwashed by my media. In case you didn't know, we don't have censorship like you have, we don't have a media ministry like you, our government have no authority on the media, they don't own it, they don't operate it. Our media is the one who exposed the Abu Gharib scandal in case you don't remember. We have no red lines, we can criticize a sitting president and impeach him if needed. We don't hide our mistakes, we expose them, we learn from them and we hold people accountable. None of this can be said about any Arab media, including al jazeera.

Also, please enlighten me as to how our democracy is fake! You would be lucky if you can establish a tenth of our democracy.

Message edited by author 2011-02-21 01:23:19.
03/04/2011 10:33:56 AM · #109
Originally posted by samanwar:

Yes Kliopatra, I am sure that this is what I truly hope for your country. Listen, look around you, out of all the countries that are either problematic or posing a threat to the USA, what do you see in common? Here is the answer: Poverty, dictatorship, corruption, lack of human rights, no freedom of speech, no freedom of press, government owned media, poor educational system... Is this a coincidence?
And yet, it is only those 3rd world muslim countries who make these unbelievable notions about our democracy and our media.

It is only those 3rd world Muslim countries who blame us if we push for democracy and free elections (because our democracy is fake!!), and also blame us if we don't interfere, because then we're the ones supporting your dictators.
Tell me something, what evidence you have that I am brainwashed by my media. In case you didn't know, we don't have censorship like you have, we don't have a media ministry like you, our government have no authority on the media, they don't own it, they don't operate it. Our media is the one who exposed the Abu Gharib scandal in case you don't remember. We have no red lines, we can criticize a sitting president and impeach him if needed. We don't hide our mistakes, we expose them, we learn from them and we hold people accountable. None of this can be said about any Arab media, including al jazeera.

Also, please enlighten me as to how our democracy is fake! You would be lucky if you can establish a tenth of our democracy.


Are you even listening to yourself talking, 3rd world countries(Muslims or not)with all the above problems post a threat to USA!!!! with what??? small civilian groups armed with RPGs or an regular army consist of a privates that don't even get a prober food not to mention what we can call a salary under the leadership of dictator ??? and for what purpose??, occupation the land of USA using the power of RPGs, or 3rd world army that would prefer to face the army of an advanced country than facing his own dictator and his regime ??? every word coming out of your mouse is an evidence of the brain washing that been done to most of USA people through your media.

and your quote that my country have censorship and media ministry can't be held against me as I said before that I wish that there would be no more brain washing in my country for the next generations which didn't affect me or the rest of the youth that led the revolution and the absence of these agencies in USA doesn't also mean that most of the media is not under the control of the gov.

and about the Abu Gharib scandal which is itself a life proof of the fake democracy and the fake sponsorship of human rights of USA gov. bringing it to the Muslim world (really why would you bring that up, if you are defending the acts of your country gov.?? beats me!!) since it wasn't done by two crazy Perverts, I don't know how it was released in your media, but were I'm, it was published by our censored media over a different 1000 photos of it with definitely more than 17 people involved, not to mention the killing of prisoners and if all this doesn't implicate your gov. in the scandal, then the farce trials of it does. the only reason that the American media releasing that scandal to the public inside US is because they will see it elsewhere if they don't and because of the existing of a photographs proof spreading allover the world media that can't be denied.

"we can criticize a sitting president and impeach him if needed. We don't hide our mistakes" I don't know why, but when I read this, (Cindy Sheehan) came up to my mind, that is what your fake free of speech is all about, it's Okay to criticize a sitting president but it's not diffidently alright to question him or the senate decisions by the people!!!

and about accomplishing your fantastic democracy in our countries, let me tell you this, your great democracy is not even our ambition, we as Muslims, have our own constitution that is diffidently different than the western's which was in force on our countries since the occupation period, and since that all of this is going to change in next 10 years in all Arab and Muslim world due to the late events allover Muslim world, there will be a true democracy which will rise from that Muslim constitution that will guarantee for every voice to be equal with another.

and one more thing, don't think that we are having a discussion here when you are skipping one matter to another without replying to it with anything other than superficial opinion.

Message edited by author 2011-03-04 10:49:32.
03/04/2011 10:51:19 AM · #110
My prediction stands. Egypt will be worse, not better.
03/08/2011 11:03:32 PM · #111
how pathetic your biased perspective. did some barking head at Faux News give you that lame line?

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

I've watched some of the riot videos and have noticed that Egyptians throw like girls.

It makes me wonder, why do they throw like girls? Aren't there any sports in Egypt that involve throwing a small, riot-sized projectile? Do they get the bad habit from Cricket?

I just get the feeling they'd get their butts royally kicked in a game of baseball, a snowball fight, or even dodge ball. It would be like playing against a bunch of girls!

It makes me feel sorry for them, like I should hop on a plane to Egypt and offer some classes in how to throw a rock so they don't continue to embarrass themselves in front of the world, sheesh.
03/09/2011 12:27:07 AM · #112
Originally posted by Spork99:

My prediction stands. Egypt will be worse, not better.


For whom? For American foreign policy in the short run? Probably. For the Egyptian people, especially for the urban inteligencia who led this revolt and follow such leaders as Ayman Nour, Bassem Samir or other democratic activist, who are no longer in prison, things are looking up. A people ought to be free to find the path they wish to take, that reflects their self interest. In the long run if Egypt is run by intelligent democratic people following the path of what is best for their countrymen, in the long run that will be best for the United States as well. Repressive strongmen bottle up fear and resentment, and it tends to explode.

To understand America, and how we think of oursleves, you have read about the founding fathers and the revolution. From a western viewpoint in trying to understand Islam (if you want to try) I can not recommend Islam: a short history enough, by the searingly brilliant Karen Armstrong.

03/09/2011 01:54:50 AM · #113
Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by Spork99:

My prediction stands. Egypt will be worse, not better.


For whom? For American foreign policy in the short run? Probably. For the Egyptian people, especially for the urban inteligencia who led this revolt and follow such leaders as Ayman Nour, Bassem Samir or other democratic activist, who are no longer in prison, things are looking up. A people ought to be free to find the path they wish to take, that reflects their self interest. In the long run if Egypt is run by intelligent democratic people following the path of what is best for their countrymen, in the long run that will be best for the United States as well. Repressive strongmen bottle up fear and resentment, and it tends to explode.

To understand America, and how we think of oursleves, you have read about the founding fathers and the revolution. From a western viewpoint in trying to understand Islam (if you want to try) I can not recommend Islam: a short history enough, by the searingly brilliant Karen Armstrong.


You didn't read my earlier posts, did you? It's not about what's good for the US.

Your first paragraph has some mighty big "ifs" and "oughts". I just don't believe the leadership in Egypt that will come out of the "explosion" will meet those conditions or allow them to be met once all the dust settles.

03/09/2011 01:06:00 PM · #114
Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by Spork99:

My prediction stands. Egypt will be worse, not better.


For whom? For American foreign policy in the short run? Probably. For the Egyptian people, especially for the urban inteligencia who led this revolt and follow such leaders as Ayman Nour, Bassem Samir or other democratic activist, who are no longer in prison, things are looking up. A people ought to be free to find the path they wish to take, that reflects their self interest. In the long run if Egypt is run by intelligent democratic people following the path of what is best for their countrymen, in the long run that will be best for the United States as well. Repressive strongmen bottle up fear and resentment, and it tends to explode.

To understand America, and how we think of oursleves, you have read about the founding fathers and the revolution. From a western viewpoint in trying to understand Islam (if you want to try) I can not recommend Islam: a short history enough, by the searingly brilliant Karen Armstrong.


You didn't read my earlier posts, did you? It's not about what's good for the US.

Your first paragraph has some mighty big "ifs" and "oughts". I just don't believe the leadership in Egypt that will come out of the "explosion" will meet those conditions or allow them to be met once all the dust settles.


Let the descent into chaos begin.

Story.
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