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05/04/2011 02:21:26 PM · #1
Originally posted by justamistere:


I like the calculation that it only saved a couple of minutes on a short trip, on a 3- hour trip it might save 15 minutes, only. And taking chances.


Erm, 25 min on a 3 hour trip..

200 Miles @ 65/mph = 3:04
200 Miles @ 75/mph = 2:40

Also on a side note and nothing to do with the quote, more and more roads are increasing to 75/mph so its not a reckless speed, bad drivers are bad drivers no matter what speed they are going.

Another side note, on my 12 hour trip, the extra 10mph saves me over 1.5 hours. After many stops that sucks up 30min, saves me an hour of driving and let me tell you, sooner that trip is over the better! :)

However, tho I pretty much go 9mph over the speed limit at all times on freeways, I never speed near schools, hospitals, or when the roads are wet.. but thats just me.
05/04/2011 02:14:11 PM · #2
Originally posted by Mephisto:

Originally posted by apercep:

...safest highway in the world (the german autobahn)...


Is it?


driving is still the most dangerous thing most people do.. One pile up does not make it an unsafe road.
05/04/2011 01:59:38 PM · #3
Originally posted by apercep:

The left lane is for PASSING ONLY!!!! On the unlimited speed sections of the safest highway in the world (the german autobahn) the penalty for holding up traffic in the left lane is as bad as speeding.


Actually, the penalty for holding up traffic in the left lane is much worse. You don't what to be hit from behind by a Porche doing 300 km/h ... or worse a big heavy MB or BMW. Worse. Much worse.
05/04/2011 09:22:23 AM · #4
"Life in the fast lane , Surely make you lose your mind ..." Eagles
I like the calculation that it only saved a couple of minutes on a short trip, on a 3- hour trip it might save 15 minutes, only. And taking chances.

Someone could be just late or trying to get to the hospital, you never know, so let them pass!!!

Amazing of the contrast from CT, UT, CA, IL. I regularly drive on the left, maybe it's because sometimes I'm a speed freak, but if they want to pass me even when I'm doing 85, I let them. Yes I notice cars behind me, I constantly scan all-around, when I'm the radar detector. When there is bumper to bumper traffic in both lanes how can one be a passing lane.

NY and PA don't have passing lane laws. That to me is illogical. Passing on the right is fine, sometimes you need to. I do not approve of Weaving and jumping into tiny spaces, that is reckless.

No speed does not kill, although you don't save much travel time. If you can't chew gum at the same time, don't do it. Whenever I do high speeds, weather permitting. I concentrate all senses, no radio interference, even.

Years ago on the autobahn I did 130 and some cars whooshed by on the left. In some parts, they had put repair signs up just to sweep rocks and debris off the road.
05/04/2011 09:17:58 AM · #5
Originally posted by HighNooner:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Maybe both.

Unless Mr. 65 in the left lane has cars in front of him, he is a jerk for not sliding over for a car that obviously wants to pass.

If the driver that wants to pass continues to ride the bumper after it is clear Mr. 65 is not sliding over, then he is also a jerk and needs to chill. After all, Mr. 65 is at the legitimate speed limit.


If someone wants to go faster than the speed limit and brake that certain law he may have a reason to do so and is willing to pay the fine. It's not up to civilians to control the laws on hi ways and should consider that some people maybe in need to go faster sometimes, and also driving in a defensive way calls that the car in the front should avoid being close to a hasty driver. The jerk is the won who binds himself to the letter of the law not the spirit.


What if his wife is pregnant or someone is very sick, could be trying to get to the hospital. The TOTAL "Jerk" is the one interferring with the rights of others. He is not a cop or judge, it is not their job.
05/04/2011 08:43:24 AM · #6
Originally posted by apercep:

...safest highway in the world (the german autobahn)...


Is it?
05/04/2011 05:48:45 AM · #7
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

I wonder how this left lane BS goes in Maryland since we travel in all lanes and its not legal to exceed the speed limit.


It is also illegal to impede the flow of traffic, though in Maryland you can not be cited if you are doing the limit in the left hand lane even if you are interfering with the flow of course that means it is legal to pass on the right or left in Maryland, which makes driving so much more exciting.
It is interesting to note that Arkansas and South Dakota are the only two states with no lane restrictions, and both have a higher than national average highway fatality rate. A sample of two isn't much but...
05/04/2011 05:18:10 AM · #8
Originally posted by HighNooner:

[ The jerk is the won who binds himself to the letter of the law not the spirit.


Et voila...

Ray
05/04/2011 05:16:27 AM · #9
Originally posted by markwiley:

Maybe both.

Unless Mr. 65 in the left lane has cars in front of him, he is a jerk for not sliding over for a car that obviously wants to pass.

If the driver that wants to pass continues to ride the bumper after it is clear Mr. 65 is not sliding over, then he is also a jerk and needs to chill. After all, Mr. 65 is at the legitimate speed limit.


If someone wants to go faster than the speed limit and brake that certain law he may have a reason to do so and is willing to pay the fine. It's not up to civilians to control the laws on hi ways and should consider that some people maybe in need to go faster sometimes, and also driving in a defensive way calls that the car in the front should avoid being close to a hasty driver. The jerk is the won who binds himself to the letter of the law not the spirit.

05/04/2011 05:05:59 AM · #10
I wonder how this left lane BS goes in Maryland since we travel in all lanes and its not legal to exceed the speed limit. Seeing as how I have routinely had State and County officers riding my bumper as i did the speed limit in the left lane I guess we don't follow the silly rules other states have.

Passing someone doing the speed limit using any lane, would be not legal as far as I know it. Im sure in traffic court if you could prove you did it to say avoid some sort of accident or situation that would have otherwise left you or someone else in danger then a citation would be dropped.

Oh and passing on the right.... living in a state that prefers right handed exits for safety I have to say this. On a 2 lane (same direction of travel) road passing on the right is a ridiculous concept that even ranges as far as impossible. If the slower moving entering and exiting traffic is in the right lane it can not be utilized for passing. In fact if your in the right lane and not exiting you ought to be in the left.

Message edited by author 2011-05-04 05:16:47.
05/04/2011 04:27:08 AM · #11
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:


Noting the last part...ie: driving over the speed limit endangers safety.


While driving over the limit is dangerous, it is dangerous because the speeder is moving at a different rate of speed than the flow. It is legal to drive ten miles an hour under the posted speed limit on the freeway, but doing so in any but the right hand lane is just as dangerous as driving ten miles over the limit in anything but the left hand lane. If there is a space in the lane to your right, fill it. Its the law, it is polite, and it keeps everyone safer.

The guys who drive me nuts are the drivers who zip from lane to lane filling tiny little pockets of space as they try to speed through traffic. I don't usually go out of my way to annoy my fellow man (I can usually do it without trying) but if I can find a bubble to trap these pinheads I will slow to prolong their agony as they are forced to move at the flow of traffic for half a minute or so. I know enjoying inflicting such discomfort is petty and pointless, you can't drive for anyone but yourself, but I keep watching my rear view for such petty opportunities.

Around here in Northern California driving up to ten miles over the limit is not likely to earn you a ticket, but if you are driving any speed in the left hand lane and don't notice a CHP cruiser coming up in your rear view mirror, you will notice the blue lights on his roof if you don't move over. Of course the obverse is true; nothing is more amusing than tooling along on the freeway at exactly the limit with everyone else because we all see the cruiser a quarter mile ahead and watching some one zip up from the back and slide past the cop. He gets pulled over and the rest of us return to seventy MPH.

When you are in California, Berlin, or Boston, drive like the locals; driving "better" endangers everyone. The other driver needs to be predictable. When in Rome...

Message edited by author 2011-05-04 04:33:50.
05/04/2011 03:08:28 AM · #12
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Noting the last part...ie: driving over the speed limit endangers safety.

Some people's mere existence endangers safety. And yet we let them.
05/04/2011 12:14:10 AM · #13
Originally posted by disassociation:

...it is MOB RULES in CA!?! "Everyone else is going 80mph, then so am I.

legal rules actually... or so i have been informed by local law enforcement. its called "flow of traffic" and if everyone is going 80 then yes it IS llegal to go 80, and you could possibly be ticketed for doing less. thats why i refuse to drive on the freeway in southern california. i will stick up here in the northern parts with my mountains... as long as i can avoid all the flatlanders!


Ummmm..Nooooo. They may not enforce it much but...

You may never legally drive faster than the posted speed limit, even if you think it is safe to do so. -CA DMV Driver Handbook Pg 28
//www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl600.pdf

V C Section 22349 Maximum Speed Limit (CA)
22349. (a) Except as provided in Section 22356, no person may drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than 65 miles per hour.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person may drive a vehicle upon a two-lane, undivided highway at a speed greater than 55 miles per hour unless that highway, or portion thereof, has been posted for a higher speed by the Department of Transportation or appropriate local agency upon the basis of an engineering and traffic survey. For purposes of this subdivision, the following apply:...

and this is what people THINK is what is meant for "flow of traffic," when it is meant for rain, snow, etc. to DRIVE SLOWER.
V C Section 22350 Basic Speed Law
22350. No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property.

Noting the last part...ie: driving over the speed limit endangers safety.

Message edited by author 2011-05-04 00:23:48.
05/03/2011 11:54:38 PM · #14
...it is MOB RULES in CA!?! "Everyone else is going 80mph, then so am I.

legal rules actually... or so i have been informed by local law enforcement. its called "flow of traffic" and if everyone is going 80 then yes it IS llegal to go 80, and you could possibly be ticketed for doing less. thats why i refuse to drive on the freeway in southern california. i will stick up here in the northern parts with my mountains... as long as i can avoid all the flatlanders!

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 23:55:06.
05/03/2011 11:32:52 PM · #15
Originally posted by PapaBob:

Everyone should spend a few months driving in California, they drive fast when the roads open up but they for the most part seem to drive under controlled aggression. When they turn on their blinker they are not asking if they can get over they are telling you they are coming.
Colorado, mixture of Californians and Easterners, makes it hard to tell what the heck will happen next.


Hmmm...so instead of obeying and following traffic laws and speed limits...it is MOB RULES in CA!?! "Everyone else is going 80mph, then so am I."
And yes I have driven through San Diego, LA, etc last year...ON MY MOTORCYCLE!!! (Panniers made it impossible to filter-dammit!). It is true about what the turn signal means (when used AT ALL), "HERE I COME ASSHOLE!" Not what it is suppose to mean, "I am merging when it is safe to." I was almost ran down 6 times in 3 days (I HAD TO MAKE THE MANEUVERS TO NOT DIE!). Figure that out to 700+ times a year! I haven't had that many close calls in my 30+ years of riding and in a cage!

If people would obey the speed limits, less traffic jams and accidents.

I think it should be mandatory to ride a motorcycle in traffic for about 3 months. Gives you a whole new perspective on what you and others are doing. It will teach you to stop YOUR bad habits and keeps you much more aware of what is going on around you (cellphone asses!)

ATGATT. Ride aware and like you are invisible.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 23:33:52.
05/03/2011 05:48:04 PM · #16
Yeah. Then there was the day the jerks came over. I mean the dopes. Steve Martin.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 19:35:03.
05/03/2011 05:33:23 PM · #17
Unless he is passing, the person in the left hand lane should move over and let the person behind him pass. He can drive the posted speed limit and not be an irritant to some other drivers.

To those who would argue that the person behind is speeding I would say, take a licence plate number and report it to the authorities.

When one considers the amount of road rage that occurs on a daily basis, why would anyone want to aggravate someone else...move over and be done with it.

Ray
05/03/2011 05:22:49 PM · #18
We fail to mention that the third driver in the right lane may be a jerk, speeding up to match the first driver in the left lane.
05/03/2011 05:11:48 PM · #19
Neither are jerks? Once a person steps inside their metal box all normal thought processes disappear. Immune from the world they aim that guided missile along a highway...their highway...and no-one better enter their zone. However, right behind them is another driver in his zone and right ahead is a jerk. The two zones cause friction and the front guy is determined that he is right and will not move or back down. The back door guy finds his zone blocked by an A-hole in his eyes. There is only one way for him to go, tail gate and flash his lights, damn it is his zone...

Front guy looks in his mirror, sees back door guy flashing his lights and thinks, damn I am doing 65, this is my road and I am not going to move for him just because he flashes his lights and attaches his front bumper to my rear bumper! So, they drive like this for a few miles.

Who is the jerk? Can you identify with either driver? Are you the jerk?? And, it isn't just male drivers!!

My car is my world for travel, I am warm/cool, I have music/no music...nothing can or should encroach upon my metal world.
05/03/2011 05:07:42 PM · #20
Get the hell over and we would not even need to discuss this!

Everyone should spend a few months driving in California, they drive fast when the roads open up but they for the most part seem to drive under controlled aggression. When they turn on their blinker they are not asking if they can get over they are telling you they are coming. I went from California to Ohio where people flat out do not know how to drive, people would find out we moved from California and wonder how people survived driving out there and were always surprised when I would tell them I would drive in LA any day over driving in Ohio.

Colorado, mixture of Californians and Easterners, makes it hard to tell what the heck will happen next.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 17:08:33.
05/03/2011 05:02:50 PM · #21
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by bvy:

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.

Because he was only five when it came out, and by the time he would have been of the target market age for that film it would be in the oldies bin.

Try harder.
05/03/2011 05:01:35 PM · #22
Originally posted by bvy:

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.

Because he was only five when it came out, and by the time he would have been of the target market age for that film it would be in the oldies bin.
05/03/2011 04:59:24 PM · #23
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Talking about jerks on the road ...

It sounds like if you were to inform your local constabulary of his usual route to work, they might be able to fund city government on citations alone ...
05/03/2011 04:56:41 PM · #24
" responsible synchronized drivers" (you know, ones driving for miles next to each other with no vehicle in sight ahead of them)
they are creating traffic congestion pockets, are you telling us that is safe?????
Because I feel very safe stuck in the middle lane for miles and miles next to the" Responsible 65mph" minivan while she is putting her make-up on, talking on the phone, stuffing a Quadruple big mac in her face, and threatening a 4 or 5 out of control kids in the back of the van with a "Time Out". but hey she is responsible... and I'm the Twat just because I would like to get away from her...

Please, don't try to do everyone a favor and slow the world down, Just get out of the way, its not that hard (and no one will question your manhood if you move )

End of Rant
05/03/2011 04:55:35 PM · #25
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Steve Martin.


Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.

I don't get it.


//www.imdb.com/title/tt0079367/

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.


Neither did I, but I decided it wasn't worth pursuing. lol.
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