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05/03/2011 01:33:11 PM · #26
Originally posted by PGerst:

The car behind him riding his bumper in an effort to pass.

Results as they pertain to CT from a legal perspective.

1) Not traveling a safe distance (14-240)
2) Intent to harass or intimidate (14-240a)
2) Highway maximum speed is 65. Passing would require a speed greater than the maximum. (14-218a, 14-219b3)

Now from a practical perspective.

How fast is the car behind intending to go? At speeds above 60 MPH the time savings per MPH is markedly reduced, meaning, it generally doesn't benefit the driver to go much faster.

For example, with a base speed of 65 MPH, you would need to travel 15.2 miles at 70 MPH to save 1 minute of time, 8.1 miles at 75 MPH, 5.8 miles at 80 MPH, and 4.6 miles at 85 MPH.

Now, assume you are already traveling at 5 over the speed limit. With a base speed of 70 MPH, you would need to travel 17.5 miles at 75 MPG to same 1 minute of time, and 6.6 miles at 85 MPH.

Now, those times require a constant speed and are thus an absolute minimum. If you need to slow down at any time because of traffic, the miles you would need to travel go up quite a bit.

Originally posted by macpapas:

Two rules: 1) Speed limit is 65mph on three lane highway. 2) Hwy signs asks that “Slower traffic stay to right lanes”

Who’s the jerk? The guy going 65 in the left hand lane or the car behind him riding his bumper in a effort to pass?

I’ll compile the results and reveal them later tonight. Discussion is of course welcome!


So you are the jerk that is trying to slow on the road!
05/03/2011 01:36:12 PM · #27
Ok ok....riddle:

Q. What do you call the guy who just passed you?
A. Radar Detector
05/03/2011 01:37:13 PM · #28
Inconsiderate Idiots <---- -5 mph <----- my speed -----> +5 mph ----> Crazy Idiots

I find this is the classic mental calculation for drivers everywhere.
05/03/2011 01:37:16 PM · #29
Originally posted by PGerst:

The car behind him riding his bumper in an effort to pass.

Results as they pertain to CT from a legal perspective.

1) Not traveling a safe distance (14-240)
2) Intent to harass or intimidate (14-240a)
2) Highway maximum speed is 65. Passing would require a speed greater than the maximum. (14-218a, 14-219b3)

Now from a practical perspective.

How fast is the car behind intending to go? At speeds above 60 MPH the time savings per MPH is markedly reduced, meaning, it generally doesn't benefit the driver to go much faster.

For example, with a base speed of 65 MPH, you would need to travel 15.2 miles at 70 MPH to save 1 minute of time, 8.1 miles at 75 MPH, 5.8 miles at 80 MPH, and 4.6 miles at 85 MPH.

Now, assume you are already traveling at 5 over the speed limit. With a base speed of 70 MPH, you would need to travel 17.5 miles at 75 MPG to same 1 minute of time, and 6.6 miles at 85 MPH.

Now, those times require a constant speed and are thus an absolute minimum. If you need to slow down at any time because of traffic, the miles you would need to travel go up quite a bit.

Originally posted by macpapas:

Two rules: 1) Speed limit is 65mph on three lane highway. 2) Hwy signs asks that “Slower traffic stay to right lanes”

Who’s the jerk? The guy going 65 in the left hand lane or the car behind him riding his bumper in a effort to pass?

I’ll compile the results and reveal them later tonight. Discussion is of course welcome!


Its NOT that complicated, Just look at a rearview mirror, if there is a car behind you and no one in front....just get out of the way.
there is nothing WRONG if people like to drive slow, just don't do it in the left lane.
05/03/2011 02:31:19 PM · #30
In Utah every one goes 10 miles over the speed limit even the cops. No body pays attention to the passing on the right law either. It's basically a free for all on the freeways.

Where this law really comes into play is on the free ways that only have 2 lanes. Most of the time freeway speeds are 75 mph and in busier traffic you can get stuck going closer to 65, it makes you crazy. All it takes is one person not willing to get over, to slow down the whole flow of traffic.

BTW: I have never heard of anyone getting pulled over for going to slow in the left lane, tailgating or passing on the right. Any stories out there? I would love to hear them.
05/03/2011 02:39:54 PM · #31
Left lane is for passing, stay out of it unless you intend to do so. I usually set my cruise at 73 mph. If I’m in the left lane and someone comes up on me, I’ll move over the first chance I get to let them pass, if I’m not already in the right lane.
05/03/2011 02:42:50 PM · #32
Originally posted by macpapas:

Two rules: 1) Speed limit is 65mph on three lane highway. 2) Hwy signs asks that “Slower traffic stay to right lanes”

Who’s the jerk? The guy going 65 in the left hand lane or the car behind him riding his bumper in a effort to pass?

Both -- but the one in the back is a dangerous jerk ...
05/03/2011 02:46:07 PM · #33

Anyone who drives slower than you is a moron, anyone who drives faster than you is an idiot…

Anyway, that seems to be the defacto standard of most folks on the road :-)
05/03/2011 02:55:00 PM · #34
Originally posted by sjhuls:

In Utah every one goes 10 miles over the speed limit even the cops. No body pays attention to the passing on the right law either. It's basically a free for all on the freeways.

Where this law really comes into play is on the free ways that only have 2 lanes. Most of the time freeway speeds are 75 mph and in busier traffic you can get stuck going closer to 65, it makes you crazy. All it takes is one person not willing to get over, to slow down the whole flow of traffic.

BTW: I have never heard of anyone getting pulled over for going to slow in the left lane, tailgating or passing on the right. Any stories out there? I would love to hear them.


Way back when the speed limit was 55mph everywhere, my girlfriend got pulled over and ticketed for going 56 mph and passing (on the right) the CHiP who was driving 54 mph. She went to court and won based on the calibration of his speedometer. She was a fiesty one.
05/03/2011 02:57:41 PM · #35
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I grew up in California and you could not even merge safely unless you reached 70MPH.

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05/03/2011 03:08:52 PM · #36
Originally posted by sjhuls:

In Utah every one goes 10 miles over the speed limit even the cops. No body pays attention to the passing on the right law either. It's basically a free for all on the freeways.

Where this law really comes into play is on the free ways that only have 2 lanes. Most of the time freeway speeds are 75 mph and in busier traffic you can get stuck going closer to 65, it makes you crazy. All it takes is one person not willing to get over, to slow down the whole flow of traffic.

BTW: I have never heard of anyone getting pulled over for going to slow in the left lane, tailgating or passing on the right. Any stories out there? I would love to hear them.


My step grandmother used to get tickets all the time. It's called "mopery on the highway". Actually, I believe one of my aunts also got one of these tickets.
05/03/2011 03:13:43 PM · #37
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Inconsiderate Idiots <---- -5 mph <----- my speed -----> +5 mph ----> Crazy Idiots

I find this is the classic mental calculation for drivers everywhere.


+1

or maybe -1 since I didn't come up with it.
05/03/2011 04:17:07 PM · #38
Originally posted by PGerst:

Ok ok....riddle:

Q. What do you call the guy who just passed you?
A. Radar Detector


Actually, there is an old truckers' term. They call him "front door." He's the guy that takes the fall for the convoy behind him. Then there's the "back door" who watches for overtaking official vehicles.

ETA: I love finding a good front door out on the open road :-)

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 16:17:42.
05/03/2011 04:28:25 PM · #39
Certain exemptions to the speed limit are granted to various bodies - not all necessitating the use of blue lights / sirens. By deliberately holding someone up you think is speeding could be holding up say, a surveillance operative or something like that who has legitimate reason to break the speed limit but who can't necessarily let you know that's what you are doing. Of course they wouldn't generally be hanging on your bumper either.

More likely than being a surveillance operative, the guy at the back was probably just a twat.

I think GeneralE's answer was the best.

[quote]Both -- but the one in the back is a dangerous jerk ...[/quote]
05/03/2011 04:34:22 PM · #40
Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Steve Martin.


Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.

I don't get it.
05/03/2011 04:36:07 PM · #41
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Steve Martin.


Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.

I don't get it.


//www.imdb.com/title/tt0079367/
05/03/2011 04:40:04 PM · #42
Talking about jerks on the road: While I was unable to drive following my knee surgery, I was getting a ride in with a coworker. The guy scared the snot out of me with his driving. A very mean and aggressive driver. If anyone recalls the classic Disney driver education cartoon with Goofy, well that is this guy.

He would force his way in between other vehicles just prior to a right turn, rather than merge at a reasonable opportunity to wait his fair turn. Tailgated others then hit on the brakes heavily. He'd cut people off on the road, then when they honked or flashed their lights in response, he would rant and rave and sometimes make rude gestures out the window. One morning he flipped a bird out the window in response to someone flashing lights at him, and I made the error of suggesting he was the one that cut them off to get that response. He got furious and yelled at me for several minutes. I think he truly does not recognize that he is exhibiting the same or worse behavior on the road that he is complaining about in others. And he wonders why he has seriously high blood pressure. I'm pleased to be able to drive again myself.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 16:44:20.
05/03/2011 04:43:02 PM · #43
Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Steve Martin.


Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.

I don't get it.


//www.imdb.com/title/tt0079367/

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.
05/03/2011 04:55:35 PM · #44
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Steve Martin.


Wow. A 1979 movie reference from a guy born around 1974. That is going deep. Very nice.

I don't get it.


//www.imdb.com/title/tt0079367/

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.


Neither did I, but I decided it wasn't worth pursuing. lol.
05/03/2011 04:56:41 PM · #45
" responsible synchronized drivers" (you know, ones driving for miles next to each other with no vehicle in sight ahead of them)
they are creating traffic congestion pockets, are you telling us that is safe?????
Because I feel very safe stuck in the middle lane for miles and miles next to the" Responsible 65mph" minivan while she is putting her make-up on, talking on the phone, stuffing a Quadruple big mac in her face, and threatening a 4 or 5 out of control kids in the back of the van with a "Time Out". but hey she is responsible... and I'm the Twat just because I would like to get away from her...

Please, don't try to do everyone a favor and slow the world down, Just get out of the way, its not that hard (and no one will question your manhood if you move )

End of Rant
05/03/2011 04:59:24 PM · #46
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Talking about jerks on the road ...

It sounds like if you were to inform your local constabulary of his usual route to work, they might be able to fund city government on citations alone ...
05/03/2011 05:01:35 PM · #47
Originally posted by bvy:

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.

Because he was only five when it came out, and by the time he would have been of the target market age for that film it would be in the oldies bin.
05/03/2011 05:02:50 PM · #48
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by bvy:

I get the movie reference. Didn't understand how or why his age played into it.

Because he was only five when it came out, and by the time he would have been of the target market age for that film it would be in the oldies bin.

Try harder.
05/03/2011 05:07:42 PM · #49
Get the hell over and we would not even need to discuss this!

Everyone should spend a few months driving in California, they drive fast when the roads open up but they for the most part seem to drive under controlled aggression. When they turn on their blinker they are not asking if they can get over they are telling you they are coming. I went from California to Ohio where people flat out do not know how to drive, people would find out we moved from California and wonder how people survived driving out there and were always surprised when I would tell them I would drive in LA any day over driving in Ohio.

Colorado, mixture of Californians and Easterners, makes it hard to tell what the heck will happen next.

Message edited by author 2011-05-03 17:08:33.
05/03/2011 05:11:48 PM · #50
Neither are jerks? Once a person steps inside their metal box all normal thought processes disappear. Immune from the world they aim that guided missile along a highway...their highway...and no-one better enter their zone. However, right behind them is another driver in his zone and right ahead is a jerk. The two zones cause friction and the front guy is determined that he is right and will not move or back down. The back door guy finds his zone blocked by an A-hole in his eyes. There is only one way for him to go, tail gate and flash his lights, damn it is his zone...

Front guy looks in his mirror, sees back door guy flashing his lights and thinks, damn I am doing 65, this is my road and I am not going to move for him just because he flashes his lights and attaches his front bumper to my rear bumper! So, they drive like this for a few miles.

Who is the jerk? Can you identify with either driver? Are you the jerk?? And, it isn't just male drivers!!

My car is my world for travel, I am warm/cool, I have music/no music...nothing can or should encroach upon my metal world.
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