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05/20/2011 05:25:28 PM · #51
Originally posted by kichu:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

This one?


Originally posted by Kelli:

Yep! Can't tell me he just walked into that scene with a camera.


Oh I see. Yeah, probably set up. BUT, there's nothing about it that would make me declare DNMC for a candid shot. It could very well be candid. He COULD have happened upon that, millions of photograhers have. He could have captured a private moment between two people by some random chance. That's the beauty of a shot like that.


If you watched this interview originally posted by salmiakki you would know that this shot was a complete candid, he just walked in and clicked, unless he was lying.
05/20/2011 05:41:50 PM · #52
HCB also shot a ton of environmental photos. I admire his photos and his work is what inspires me most. My opinion is that he captured humans in their world.

Message edited by author 2011-05-20 17:42:05.
05/20/2011 06:02:56 PM · #53
Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by kichu:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

This one?


Originally posted by Kelli:

Yep! Can't tell me he just walked into that scene with a camera.


Oh I see. Yeah, probably set up. BUT, there's nothing about it that would make me declare DNMC for a candid shot. It could very well be candid. He COULD have happened upon that, millions of photograhers have. He could have captured a private moment between two people by some random chance. That's the beauty of a shot like that.


If you watched this interview originally posted by salmiakki you would know that this shot was a complete candid, he just walked in and clicked, unless he was lying.


Ah there you go! I'm at work and haven't watched, but I definitly will later.

I love being right, sometimes. :p

Message edited by author 2011-05-20 18:04:02.
05/20/2011 09:37:48 PM · #54
I just finished watching his interview and all I can say is "WOW"

For someone so great in the area of photography this man is truly humble. All of his answers were superb.
05/20/2011 09:38:35 PM · #55
Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by kichu:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

This one?


Originally posted by Kelli:

Yep! Can't tell me he just walked into that scene with a camera.


Oh I see. Yeah, probably set up. BUT, there's nothing about it that would make me declare DNMC for a candid shot. It could very well be candid. He COULD have happened upon that, millions of photograhers have. He could have captured a private moment between two people by some random chance. That's the beauty of a shot like that.


If you watched this interview originally posted by salmiakki you would know that this shot was a complete candid, he just walked in and clicked, unless he was lying.


Of course, he could be telling the truth, and he could be lying... It's just another layer of intrigue!
05/20/2011 09:51:08 PM · #56
I posted it somewhere else also but I need help:

The way I started years ago, and believe me I am not old, was with a Hasselblad that I luckily found in the attic and an improvised dark room. And all the books I could get on HCB and Adget. I still have that camera.
I certainly did some cropping in the dark room and manipulate the contrast and darkness. For Bresson somebody else did it.

With the minimal editing in digital, I a am a bit confused. I use photoshop.
1- is it allowed only desaturating to get to B&W (if the camera was not set for it) or is it possible to do Adjustments to B&W?
2- can we use from Adjustments Brightness/Contrast?

I participated in the Light on White where I simply did nothing. But for HCB a bit of darkness/lightness in street photography will be beneficiary.

Could anybody illuminate me please?
05/20/2011 09:56:31 PM · #57
You need to shoot the jpg in the camera in monochrome mode because you can't alter it in photoshop.
In the monochrome mode you should be able to adjust the contrast.
05/20/2011 10:11:54 PM · #58
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

You need to shoot the jpg in the camera in monochrome mode because you can't alter it in photoshop.
In the monochrome mode you should be able to adjust the contrast.


The "damage" was done I took a batch of pics today. I might just leave it in color then. Thanks Penny.
05/20/2011 10:13:25 PM · #59
No!! minimal rules state: you may "fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed."

Message edited by author 2011-05-20 22:13:48.
05/20/2011 10:13:47 PM · #60
Originally posted by mariuca:

I might just leave it in color then.


Might not be the smartest thing to do in this challenge. Just my thought though.
05/20/2011 10:13:51 PM · #61
No adjustments; it has to be a one click action:

You may:
fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.
05/20/2011 10:16:48 PM · #62
I ought to know better than to think I know anything. Sorry, Mariuca. I stand corrected.
05/20/2011 10:17:47 PM · #63
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:

Originally posted by mariuca:

I might just leave it in color then.


Might not be the smartest thing to do in this challenge. Just my thought though.


No adjustments; it has to be a one click action:

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Thanks to both.

Then in photoshop I could use "desaturate" without any other fine tuning.
05/20/2011 10:27:44 PM · #64
Originally posted by mariuca:

Then in photoshop I could use "desaturate" without any other fine tuning.

Correct.

Penny, you're too hard on yourself.
05/20/2011 10:42:31 PM · #65
Originally posted by bvy:

[quote=mariuca]Then in photoshop I could use "desaturate" without any other fine tuning.

Correct.

Thank you Brian. Good news. The "easiest" challenge: download, desaturate, post!
A bit unfair though. Bresson was able to increase saturation. Well, not himself. And his camera had some qualities that the digitals do not have.
How would you have done your "City of Lights" with minimal editing? Stupid question form me though. You would have done it differently.
05/20/2011 10:48:42 PM · #66
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by mariuca:

Then in photoshop I could use "desaturate" without any other fine tuning.

Correct.

Penny, you're too hard on yourself.


So okay... but IF you use the monochrome setting "in camera" THEN you have the option of adjusting the contrast/saturation ... that's probably why I was telling myself I couldn't do it in photoshop.
Did I get that right?
05/20/2011 10:50:36 PM · #67
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by mariuca:

Then in photoshop I could use "desaturate" without any other fine tuning.

Correct.

Penny, you're too hard on yourself.


So okay... but IF you use the monochrome setting "in camera" THEN you have the option of adjusting the contrast/saturation ... that's probably why I was telling myself I couldn't do it in photoshop.
Did I get that right?

Could be. I'm not one to ask about in-camera controls though...
05/20/2011 11:07:22 PM · #68
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Don't understand why you would be allowed to adjust contrast/saturation in editing. who would know that your picture came in B&W?
Anyway, to adjust in camera is not easy in street photography.
05/20/2011 11:13:08 PM · #69
You're right. Street photography isn't easy to begin with. And getting Cartier-Bresson's rich contrasts is going to be a challenge however we do it.
One thing - it will definitely require a day when it's not raining - if that ever happens.
05/20/2011 11:34:31 PM · #70
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

So okay... but IF you use the monochrome setting "in camera" THEN you have the option of adjusting the contrast/saturation ... that's probably why I was telling myself I couldn't do it in photoshop.
Did I get that right?

No -- unnder Minimal rules you cannot do ANY tonal or contrast adjustments once the image is captured by your camera.

In Photoshop your workflow should be (approximately):
• Capture JPEG image
• Copy file to hard drive
• Convert to Grayscale Mode* (if captured in color)
• Resize (one step only)
• Rotate (if necessary, only in 90° increments)
• Sharpen (if desired) using the Filter > Sharpen > Sharpen menu item) one or more times
• SaveAs JPEG for DPC

* Instead of the mode change to Grascale you can use Image > Adjust > Desaturate

There are a couple of other apparently equivalent methods of converting to grayscale, but I am dubious that they are legal:

1) Image > Adjust > Channel Mixer > Monochrome mode without moving any sliders

2) Image > Adjust > Hue/Saturation moving only the Master Channel Saturation slider to -100

The latter seems to yield exactly the same result as the straight Desaturate command. The Channel Mixer method looked to me to be a bit darker and perhaps more contrasty (note: file info for future use)

One of my own favorite methods is definitely not legal in Minimal: isolate one of the Channels (usually the Green) and save it to a Grayscale file, discarding the Red and Blue Channels. If I want a really grainy look I will use the Blue Channel, which is usually filled with coarse-grained noise.

In your camera, before taking the shot, you can change any settings you want: contrast, sharpen, grayscale, etc.; the only prohibited pre-shot setting is capturing/combining multiple images.
05/20/2011 11:40:54 PM · #71
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

So okay... but IF you use the monochrome setting "in camera" THEN you have the option of adjusting the contrast/saturation ... that's probably why I was telling myself I couldn't do it in photoshop.
Did I get that right?

No -- unnder Minimal rules you cannot do ANY tonal or contrast adjustments once the image is captured by your camera.

In your camera, before taking the shot, you can change any settings you want: contrast, sharpen, grayscale, etc.; the only prohibited pre-shot setting is capturing/combining multiple images.


But that's what I was saying - I would adjust the contrast/saturation "in camera" with the monochrome setting because you can't do it later.
That way nothing needs to be done in processing except resize.

Thank you for all your clarifications.
05/20/2011 11:43:26 PM · #72
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

But that's what I was saying - I would adjust the contrast/saturation "in camera" with the monochrome setting because you can't do it later.
That way nothing needs to be done in processing except resize.

Thank you for all your clarifications.

OK -- I must have misunderstood the end of your previous post. But it's good you asked because there were a couple of points I needed to clarify for myself in order to answer. ;-)
05/20/2011 11:48:51 PM · #73
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

But that's what I was saying - I would adjust the contrast/saturation "in camera" with the monochrome setting because you can't do it later.
That way nothing needs to be done in processing except resize.

Thank you for all your clarifications.

OK -- I must have misunderstood the end of your previous post. But it's good you asked because there were a couple of points I needed to clarify for myself in order to answer. ;-)


yep. thanks again.
05/20/2011 11:49:01 PM · #74
<<<< First entry! Who'da thunk it?

R.
05/20/2011 11:49:17 PM · #75
It doesn't seem fair. I have many ways to set up black and white exposures in my Pentax, and at least 2 in the Lumix. In fact what I can do in the former via the filters approaches the kind of pp fiddling with the red green and blue channels mentioned by ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE. And then there's that private jet to Paris...
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