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02/15/2012 02:54:01 PM · #51
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

Wow, probably my lowest average score given in a challenge. Is it me or did a majority of the entries NOT create a letter or letters using props? Subsequently, I gave pretty low scores for those who did not follow the rules, and pretty high ones for those who did. Photography or not, rules are rules...

Now you may argue that envisioning a letter from a building or a natural feature is "creating" the letter, but I feel differently about those shoehorns.

Just my opinion.


You got handcuffs on that bike of yours?


Err, Actually I do, but what does that have to do with how I interpret a picture?


Slap them on me :)
02/15/2012 03:02:11 PM · #52
be careful where this is going given his naked bum shot in the last challenge hehe

anyone for a pulp fiction esq bring out the gimp challenge lol

no dnmc for me yet, or comments or decent score lol
02/15/2012 03:09:02 PM · #53
Originally posted by hahn23:

. What makes it confusing is some people enter images which strive for the brown ribbon. It's complicated and your mileage may vary.


And what is a brown ribbon? The third one?
Anyway I entered this site to practice my ability to satisfy a client with their specific request, and therefore I am trying to stick very closely to the description... even though, due to misreading the challenge this time I thought I had failed the theme.
Thank goodness people do actually look further than the challenge description, otherwise I would have a lower score - I think.
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02/15/2012 03:12:02 PM · #54
Originally posted by Falke:

Originally posted by hahn23:

. What makes it confusing is some people enter images which strive for the brown ribbon. It's complicated and your mileage may vary.


And what is a brown ribbon? The third one?
Anyway I entered this site to practice my ability to satisfy a client with their specific request, and therefore I am trying to stick very closely to the description... even though, due to misreading the challenge this time I thought I had failed the theme.
Thank goodness people do actually look further than the challenge description, otherwise I would have a lower score - I think.
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The Brown ribbon is actually an honorary (for some) award for last place. Believe it or not, some people actually strive for the brown. Often they try to do this by specifically not satisfying the challenge request.
02/15/2012 03:12:29 PM · #55
Originally posted by Falke:


And what is a brown ribbon? The third one? ...

The lowest scoring image in a challenge wins the "Brown". Some people strive for the Brown ribbon. It's counterintuitive. It's sort of an art unto itself. I've never tried for a brown ribbon, but I do have one in my history. I'm thinking I'll soon claim I was trying to win the "Brown". Yeah, that's the ticket.

eta: Mark gave a good answer while I was still typing.

Message edited by author 2012-02-15 15:13:11.
02/15/2012 03:18:05 PM · #56
Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Osiris1975:

Sittin' at 6. Figure if I did a better job on the lighting, this would be better.

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For the newbie in the room, what does "DNMC" stand for? Do not mind comments? Do not make comments?

It must mean "Department of the Navy and Marine Corps". Can't be "Does Not Meet Challenge" because most images do meet the challenge description is some way, even if remotely. Used to be this site was primarily about photography. Now, it seems that some people scrutinize images for whether or not they meet a very narrow interpretation of the challenge. This narrow interpretation is their basis for casting a low vote, regardless of the caliber of the image. So, the site has drifted away from assessing the artistic and technical attributes of an image ... to looking for reasons to savage the score of an image. It's sort of sick. What makes it confusing is some people enter images which strive for the brown ribbon. It's complicated and your mileage may vary.


Yeah, i think it seems to be getting worse of late, i have a theory that the people that do scrutinize all the pics searching for the DNMC are secretly not very confident in their own photography, bring down them walls guys, its bright and sunny outside with a lovely westerly breeze.


That's very sad, actually. Not everyone interprets things the same way, or sees the challenge the same way. While some people may see it clearly defined, another person may take an abstract approach to it, forcing the viewer to think about what they are looking at, while still others will interpret it in such a way that no one may understand (until after the challenge is over and they can explain).

Whatever the reason, to purposely be out on a witch hunt because the photo doesn't meet criteria to the standards "YOU" (general term, not referring to those quoted in this post, or many others on this thread, but they know who they are) see fit, does not necessarily mean that it doesn't fit the challenge standards, it simply means it doesn't fit THAT person's standards.

And I agree, it seems like there are people out to try and "get" others. It's like the old saying, misery loves company. Either that person isn't content in their own work, OR, their image is scoring low and they want to bring others down. Either way, says alot about those people. SMH
02/15/2012 03:22:08 PM · #57
RESPECT MY AUTHORITY.....Famous quote from a good show (south park)
02/15/2012 03:47:33 PM · #58
Originally posted by Giles_uk:

be careful where this is going given his naked bum shot in the last challenge hehe

anyone for a pulp fiction esq bring out the gimp challenge lol

no dnmc for me yet, or comments or decent score lol


I think the gimp's asleep...
02/15/2012 04:01:45 PM · #59
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Osiris1975:

Sittin' at 6. Figure if I did a better job on the lighting, this would be better.

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For the newbie in the room, what does "DNMC" stand for? Do not mind comments? Do not make comments?

It must mean "Department of the Navy and Marine Corps". Can't be "Does Not Meet Challenge" because most images do meet the challenge description is some way, even if remotely. Used to be this site was primarily about photography. Now, it seems that some people scrutinize images for whether or not they meet a very narrow interpretation of the challenge. This narrow interpretation is their basis for casting a low vote, regardless of the caliber of the image. So, the site has drifted away from assessing the artistic and technical attributes of an image ... to looking for reasons to savage the score of an image. It's sort of sick. What makes it confusing is some people enter images which strive for the brown ribbon. It's complicated and your mileage may vary.


i'll throw in my 2 cents... i do factor in how well the shot meets the challenge, and layer on top of that how artfully the shot was done (or also outstanding technique). the level of specificity in the challenge description determine how heavily i weigh it. all that being said, i think i have given maybe one 1 and a few 2s and 3s for the whole time i have been on the site.

you can fuss and complain, "its all about the art," but the site is specifically set up to challenge you to ARTFULLY do what each challenge describes. otherwise, why not have it be 3 or 4 weekly Free Studies and the eye-candy can take all the ribbons all the time.

-mefnj
02/15/2012 04:28:33 PM · #60
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Message edited by author 2012-02-15 18:50:00.
02/15/2012 05:11:49 PM · #61
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by vawendy:

...Going out and finding something that already exists, and simply positioning yourself in the right place has nothing to do with creation. ...

LOL!!!! That's quite a declaration. btw, I'm quite pleased with my score, so I'm not complaining about the votes. I should have made that "M" with m&m's in the kitchen. Now, that would have been creation.


Sorry, that sounded bad. It's definitely creating a piece of art, an incredible photo, etc, but letter was already there.

I'm probably wrong, and feel free to explain how I'm wrong, but it seems like you can either find something or create it. And ifI you found it, then it already existed.

vawendy, you can vote as you wish. I'm sure not telling you how to vote. However, your assumptions about some images may be totally wrong. There may have been arrangement of elements far in excess of what you naively assume. It just seems to be a drastic tightening of the challenge description to say qualifying images can only contain certain kinds of props, or they must be products of some kind of craft project or a dead still life arrangement. None of those constraints appeared in the challenge description. To interject such limiting criteria after-the-fact is to strangle the artistic expression and freedom you, yourself, have espoused in other forum threads.

Again, I'm not complaining about my score. And, I really don't care about the outcome of any particular challenge. I just don't like the DPC trend of narrow-mindedness when it comes to challenge interpretations. The site has become long on gamesmanship and short on appreciation of others' art.

“I have learned silence from the talkative, tolerance from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strangely, I am ungrateful to these teachers”
Kahlil Gibran (Lebanese born American philosophical Essayist, Novelist and Poet. 1883-1931)
02/15/2012 06:27:59 PM · #62
going for my lowest score in a few months :)
02/15/2012 06:28:06 PM · #63
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It's been a wild ride today
02/15/2012 06:29:31 PM · #64
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

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It's been a wild ride today


hope it stays good for you, will be your second highest wont it?
02/15/2012 06:32:11 PM · #65
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by vawendy:

...Going out and finding something that already exists, and simply positioning yourself in the right place has nothing to do with creation. ...

LOL!!!! That's quite a declaration. btw, I'm quite pleased with my score, so I'm not complaining about the votes. I should have made that "M" with m&m's in the kitchen. Now, that would have been creation.


Sorry, that sounded bad. It's definitely creating a piece of art, an incredible photo, etc, but letter was already there.

I'm probably wrong, and feel free to explain how I'm wrong, but it seems like you can either find something or create it. And ifI you found it, then it already existed.

vawendy, you can vote as you wish. I'm sure not telling you how to vote. However, your assumptions about some images may be totally wrong. There may have been arrangement of elements far in excess of what you naively assume. It just seems to be a drastic tightening of the challenge description to say qualifying images can only contain certain kinds of props, or they must be products of some kind of craft project or a dead still life arrangement. None of those constraints appeared in the challenge description. To interject such limiting criteria after-the-fact is to strangle the artistic expression and freedom you, yourself, have espoused in other forum threads.

Again, I'm not complaining about my score. And, I really don't care about the outcome of any particular challenge. I just don't like the DPC trend of narrow-mindedness when it comes to challenge interpretations. The site has become long on gamesmanship and short on appreciation of others' art.

“I have learned silence from the talkative, tolerance from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strangely, I am ungrateful to these teachers”
Kahlil Gibran (Lebanese born American philosophical Essayist, Novelist and Poet. 1883-1931)


I quite agree with you.

What is really bugging me lately is the people that go into the scores threads and announce what types of images they feel are dnmc. If you want to think it, fine. If you want to vote it that way, fine. But, really why the need to voice it so that others can go "hmmm, maybe I should vote that way too". It drives me nuts. I've seen my scores both plummet and go up after these announcements depending on which side my image falls on that particular time. It definitively influences people.
02/15/2012 06:43:14 PM · #66
Sorry

Message edited by author 2012-02-15 19:01:40.
02/15/2012 06:48:16 PM · #67
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by vawendy:

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Really? I'm so surprised to hear you say that!!
May you define the word creation for us, please.


I did that in the next post. And I agree with Kelli -- I let myself get sucked into an interesting argument. When someone starts and I find it interesting, I continue. I'm going back and editing out all references to this. It can be continued in a PM or after the challenge, but I'm removing it here.

I would appreciate it if anyone quoted it, if they would remove it as well. That is up to you.

Btw. It's extremely rare that I find something DNMC. If you look through comments, you probably can count them on one hand. Sorry that this challenge is an exception. Btw, DNMC = one or two points off. I never give 1s or 2s for it, because I figure that maybe I'm just missing something obvious to other.

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02/15/2012 07:00:57 PM · #68
Originally posted by Kelli:

I quite agree with you.

What is really bugging me lately is the people that go into the scores threads and announce what types of images they feel are dnmc. If you want to think it, fine. If you want to vote it that way, fine. But, really why the need to voice it so that others can go "hmmm, maybe I should vote that way too". It drives me nuts. I've seen my scores both plummet and go up after these announcements depending on which side my image falls on that particular time. It definitively influences people.


My last two images got hammered a: because they were not that photogenic, but MORE SO b: because people thought they were illegally edited. Funny how both of them were validated. It sucks to get comments and a knowingly bad score because people voted based on legality rather than art... And I followed the details of the entry... Some people even erased their "assumptions" when the validated sign came up...
02/15/2012 07:07:11 PM · #69
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

Originally posted by Kelli:

I quite agree with you.

What is really bugging me lately is the people that go into the scores threads and announce what types of images they feel are dnmc. If you want to think it, fine. If you want to vote it that way, fine. But, really why the need to voice it so that others can go "hmmm, maybe I should vote that way too". It drives me nuts. I've seen my scores both plummet and go up after these announcements depending on which side my image falls on that particular time. It definitively influences people.


My last two images got hammered a: because they were not that photogenic, but MORE SO b: because people thought they were illegally edited. Funny how both of them were validated. It sucks to get comments and a knowingly bad score because people voted based on legality rather than art... And I followed the details of the entry... Some people even erased their "assumptions" when the validated sign came up...


What's your point?
02/15/2012 07:12:21 PM · #70
MY POINT is you are complaining because people are voting how they feel about your picture as an art form, which is fine because it is their opinion.

How about when people vote poorly because they can't understand how you captured the images within the editing rules. Even though it states "Please vote on the photo as if the entry is legal, and let the administrators do the rest" which is obviously the case...

Message edited by author 2012-02-15 19:12:51.
02/15/2012 07:16:27 PM · #71
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

MY POINT is you are complaining because people are voting how they feel about your picture as an art form, which is fine because it is their opinion.

How about when people vote poorly because they can't understand how you captured the images within the editing rules. Even though it states "Please vote on the photo as if the entry is legal, and let the administrators do the rest" which is obviously the case...


Naw. She wasn't complaining about the votes, she was complaining about the discussions during the voting that may or may not be affecting said voting.

Valid concern.
02/15/2012 07:19:16 PM · #72
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

MY POINT is you are complaining because people are voting how they feel about your picture as an art form, which is fine because it is their opinion.

How about when people vote poorly because they can't understand how you captured the images within the editing rules. Even though it states "Please vote on the photo as if the entry is legal, and let the administrators do the rest" which is obviously the case...


You seem to have missed my point. I have no problem with people voting how they feel. My problem is with people who announce how they feel in score threads and influence others to vote the same way. There are plenty of new people all the time, asking how they should vote. These types of threads tell them in no uncertain terms how they should be voting. I think that's wrong.

Your situation was completely different. But I'm still sure there wasn't a general announcement that people should give dnmc votes to images they thought were illegal.

eta: Wendy, none of my little rant was aimed at you, just so you know. ;) You didn't start the discussion.

Message edited by author 2012-02-15 19:21:33.
02/15/2012 07:21:37 PM · #73
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum_rules.php

Please do not discuss specific challenge entries or outtakes until voting has ended. Doing so can affect voting and commenting, so please save these discussions for after the end of the voting period. Please report any posts discussing these, and do not reply to them. Outtake threads posted early will be removed.

scanned the thread i cant see any specifics?

//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=13

erm slight juxtaposition here

You should:

recommend an entry be reviewed for disqualification if you feel it violates any rule. To do this, use the “here if you suspect a rules violation”. link on the image’s voting page, and give your reason in the space provided. After submitting your requests, vote assuming the entry did not violate any rules.

read The DQ Process - A Voter's Guide.

keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.

consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.

vote on as many entries as practical in any challenge in which you vote.

comment on entries using the comment box under each photograph.
offer constructive criticism with any vote of 3 or lower.


Message edited by author 2012-02-15 19:23:44.
02/15/2012 07:32:39 PM · #74
Originally posted by Giles_uk:

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum_rules.php

Please do not discuss specific challenge entries or outtakes until voting has ended. Doing so can affect voting and commenting, so please save these discussions for after the end of the voting period. Please report any posts discussing these, and do not reply to them. Outtake threads posted early will be removed.

scanned the thread i cant see any specifics?

//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=13

erm slight juxtaposition here

You should:

recommend an entry be reviewed for disqualification if you feel it violates any rule. To do this, use the “here if you suspect a rules violation”. link on the image’s voting page, and give your reason in the space provided. After submitting your requests, vote assuming the entry did not violate any rules.

read The DQ Process - A Voter's Guide.

keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.

consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.

vote on as many entries as practical in any challenge in which you vote.

comment on entries using the comment box under each photograph.
offer constructive criticism with any vote of 3 or lower.


+1!
consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.
02/15/2012 07:37:46 PM · #75
Speaking of specifics! That picture of the suitcase in this challenge was just hideous! I think anyone with a brain should give it a 1!!! Anyone who votes higher should get suspended for a month! Sheesh it was horrible...
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