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01/12/2003 09:59:37 AM · #1
There's a photo in the Song Titles challenge that I am sure wasn't taken last week. I submitted a request for disqulaification and it appears the photo is still up for voting. I voted on the photo and moved on but I'm wondering what's going. Do we recieve an e-mail stating whether the photo is legit or not?
01/12/2003 10:13:48 AM · #2
I also noticed one that was not taken last week. I think the moon gave it away as it was new moon around that week.
01/12/2003 10:24:17 AM · #3
I don't want to be specific but the picture I have in question doesn't have a moon in it. I'd also like to state that I have no photos submitted in this weeks challenges so whether the photo is DQed or not doesn't affect me but those who took a legit picture.
01/12/2003 10:30:13 AM · #4
Gee, the moon? That is a very interesting question. Is it really a suitable tool to DQ an image if you do not know from where the image originated?

Is the moon really showing the same view or phase to all DPC members, from all corners of the earth, during the same time frame? Somehow, I would have thought that we all would have seen it differently depending upon where we lived in the world? I am not knowledgeable in astronomy, so I cannot say this is the case with any authority, it just struck me as an "angles" sort of thing!

Can anyone shed some light, or should I saw, moonlight on this thought?

As a side topic, my “Song” submission was taken indoors and I had wondered if anyone would DQ me because they thought that it was truly an outdoor image. But, the moon is a much more valid forensic clue to reveal the truth in an image. I look forward to learning the truth on this challenge, I just wish I new which image was in question?
01/12/2003 10:40:16 AM · #5
Phases of the Moon and the percent of the Moon illuminated are independent of the location on the Earth from where the Moon is observed. That is, all the phases occur at the same time regardless of the observer's position.
01/12/2003 11:56:13 AM · #6
Any photos recommended for DQ are reviewed by the moderators and admins.. stay tuned. :)
01/12/2003 12:50:33 PM · #7
Originally posted by marbo:

Phases of the Moon and the percent of the Moon illuminated are independent of the location on the Earth from where the Moon is observed. That is, all the phases occur at the same time regardless of the observer's position.


I have wondered that too. Is this also true for the Southern Hemisphere? And, is the angle the same?
01/12/2003 01:36:22 PM · #8
can we talk about songs that have been disqualified this week and are gone? There was one that I noticed looked kind of wierd with people in the foreground and had their hands up in the air and it was casting shadows onto the stage. Looked like they were standing in front of a wall or something. I though it was photoshoped or something. It's not there anymore so I guess some other people saw the same thing.
01/12/2003 01:42:05 PM · #9
Originally posted by marbo:

Phases of the Moon and the percent of the Moon illuminated are independent of the location on the Earth from where the Moon is observed. That is, all the phases occur at the same time regardless of the observer's position.


Would the moon be inverted?
Some one in the Northern Hemisphere would see the upside down version of what ssomeone sees in the Southern Hemisphere?
01/12/2003 01:46:04 PM · #10
The moon ............. hmmm.
Depends where the photo was taken. However the phase of the moon does does seem off.

Message edited by author 2003-01-12 13:56:26.
01/12/2003 02:09:40 PM · #11
On the 1st day of the challenge week the moon was illuminated 24%, which was the maximum illumination for the challenge week. I guess the photo in question shows about 30-35%. This may put it a day early. Or it could be a bit over exposed.
I didn`t request a disqulaification because i can`t be sure its not legit and if it is it`s only a day.
01/12/2003 02:13:47 PM · #12
Originally posted by Fibre Optix:

In regards to the moon thing. If it's the photo I think your talking about then....it would be a legit photo. Then moon is in it's proper phase.


Thank you, Fiber Optix, for qualifying the moon in this picture! It was nice to see someone stand up for what's right! The moon is in the right phase.

I think it is soooo unfair to single out a picture so publicly, while the challenge is still going on. This was the only picture in this challenge with a moon in it, so you have singled out and put the focus on one photo unfairly. I know this photographer, and know the picture was taken on the 4th day of the new moon. The 5th day after it was taken was the quarter moon phase. It doesn't just "pop" from new to a quarter instantly, you know! Or do you?

01/12/2003 02:30:41 PM · #13
//tycho.usno.navy.mil/vphase.html

You will notice that at this site that when you look up a moon phase they ask you for which time zone. Wow and to think before I posted this I did some research to make sure that I was not wrong. Hope it catches on.
01/12/2003 02:47:33 PM · #14
yeah. and notice how it doesn't make an difference?

it's only in regards to the time, so you can see what the moon phase will be a specific time.

the earth rotates one full time about every 24 hours, and the moon revolves around the earth about every month (give or take, depending on the month).

so in the time it takes the moon to appear in say, china, it's only gone 1/60 the way around the earth. the illumination of the moon will be half way between where it was the day before and the day after for you.

parallax and perspective don't matter at all, since we are dealing with the moon being in the same position in the sky at two different points in the earth's rotation.

so no. location has nothing to do with moon phase. only the position of the moon relative to the sun.
01/12/2003 02:50:23 PM · #15
Asking for a time zone is a little misleading because no matter where you are on earth you are the moon has the same phase to within 1/2 %. Selecting a time zone is really changing the time by that amount of hours which will alter the phase quite a bit over 24hrs.
01/12/2003 02:57:12 PM · #16
I think that the moon question is pretty much resolved, don’t you?

Unless, someone has a set of outside calibers with which to measure it tonight, and then they can extrapolate back to the date of submission for this image in question to confirm its legitimacy, I think that we should accept the submission at face value. Sounds logical to me. ;-)
01/12/2003 03:05:47 PM · #17
OK. So I misunderstood. Maybe the person that took the photo took it because he or she likes photography and wanted to get some positive or creative feedback so that he or she can improve on his or her techniques so that he or she can take better photos and doesn't realy care whether the photo "WINS" the challenge.
01/12/2003 03:10:12 PM · #18
I would bet that the administrators looked at the submitted photo and found that the time stamp was legit and didn't waste there time any more than that.
I feel that at this time I have wasted more time than this entire site deserves. Good luck to all. GOODBYE!
01/12/2003 04:21:47 PM · #19
Originally posted by liltool:

I would bet that the administrators looked at the submitted photo and found that the time stamp was legit and didn't waste there time any more than that.


This whole thread saddens me tremendously! Where are the administrators or moderators? Why hasn't somebody put a disclaimer on this picture yet?
And why does Jimmyn4 and marbo want to go on such a "witch-hunt"? I thought those days were long since past (outside of Salem, MA and Washington,DC). I think these guys have been staring at the moon too much!

If liltool goes, then I'm leaving, too. After all, who knows who the next target will be around here.
01/12/2003 04:31:22 PM · #20
[quote=autool If liltool goes, then I'm leaving, too. After all, who knows who the next target will be around here.[/quote]

My mistake! I wrote that post, not realizing my husband (autool) was signed in. That was my feelings. But after talking to him, he told me not to edit it, but leave it as written.
01/12/2003 04:35:58 PM · #21
See other reaction.

Message edited by author 2003-01-12 16:58:34.
01/12/2003 04:51:28 PM · #22
With all due respect autool, I have only posted twice(three times now) on this thread. I only wanted to know what the process behind a DQ is. Before posting you should really read all of the remarks. I have no concern over this moon thing or any moon picture. Ever since the photos in question disappeared I have left this thread alone. I only seek fair play.


Originally posted by autool:

Originally posted by liltool:

I would bet that the administrators looked at the submitted photo and found that the time stamp was legit and didn't waste there time any more than that.


This whole thread saddens me tremendously! Where are the administrators or moderators? Why hasn't somebody put a disclaimer on this picture yet?
And why does Jimmyn4 and marbo want to go on such a "witch-hunt"? I thought those days were long since past (outside of Salem, MA and Washington,DC). I think these guys have been staring at the moon too much!

If liltool goes, then I'm leaving, too. After all, who knows who the next target will be around here.


Message edited by author 2003-01-12 16:52:30.
01/12/2003 04:53:28 PM · #23
Azrifel, the picture was taken on 5 Jan 2003, and the moon was 5 days from a full quater moon. Plus, what hasn't been brought up, is that where we live there has been a lot of haze and mist in the air, which causes an aura around the light of the moon making it appear fuller in the picture.
01/12/2003 04:57:56 PM · #24
Ah, I see now. I had the impression it was about a moon shot from the Travel Challenge. Sorry. I will remove the stuff in the other post. If you need the moonposition on your location at that day, let me know. I have a program that can calculate the position of any object at the sky for every date at any location.

Message edited by author 2003-01-12 17:02:03.
01/12/2003 05:19:11 PM · #25
Originally posted by jimmyn4:

With all due respect autool, I have only posted twice(three times now) on this thread. I only wanted to know what the process behind a DQ is. Before posting you should really read all of the remarks. I have no concern over this moon thing or any moon picture. Ever since the photos in question disappeared I have left this thread alone. I only seek fair play.


jimmyn4, YOU started this thread with an accusation that the picture wasn't legit, even though the challenge is currently running. How fair is that?

And, yes, I HAVE read all the posts. If you had also, you would see that 20 minutes before you posted the above remarks, I had posted a message telling that I had mistakenly posted under my husband's user name. We have both entered pictures on DPChallenge, as has our adult daughter, two grown sons, daughter-in-law, and granddaughter. Until now, we have enjoyed this site very much, and enjoyed sharing the hobby even more. I'm afraid your starting this thread has spoiled much of that, as our son has had enough and is leaving this site. It is his picture.
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