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05/13/2012 07:16:46 PM · #1
I have noticed on many occasions, and it became very clear when I was on the 'Art Jury' a few months ago, that on first view of a photo, that it seemed to startle and dazzle you for a micro second, but then on 2nd and 3rd view that feeling had dissipated, and you can't even work out why you liked it in the first place.
Where as a photo that didn't grab you on first view, you may go back to, and it grows on you and all it's beauty is there for you to behold.

How many people actually spend more that half a 2nd voting for a photo and how many actually stop to "smell the roses", so to say.



Message edited by author 2012-05-13 19:20:05.
05/13/2012 07:27:41 PM · #2
I don't know about anyone else, but I normally make three passes on each image ... some go up, some go down and most remain unchanged.

Ray
05/15/2012 06:34:19 AM · #3
The first split second is intuition. Then I spend some time to rational analysis, but not too long (with over 100 photos). I never kep the score, but I estimate that in 4 out of 5 intuition and analysis agree.
05/15/2012 08:41:44 AM · #4
Yes,I do the same.I look at many entries several times and change my votes.
However with the real best images I find that my vote only goes up.
05/15/2012 08:45:58 AM · #5
One of the odd concepts of a "contest" in photography or any visual art is that, here comes the important part...

there is no real objective standard, and you are not supposed to like or prefer every shot.

when you go to an art museum, do you hook a right in the door and look at every single item in order? that would be asinine, no?
you are drawn by some attraction, and perhaps then, a rationality sets in- but of course, we are mostly speeding through the entries, can't let them marinate the way maybe they should.

I think your point about resonating over time is somewhat akin to music, to the way you buy a whole album, listen to it over and over, and then, wait a week, or maybe forget about it for a few days, and then come back to it, and you realize why you had the attraction to it.
05/15/2012 09:08:28 AM · #6
I vote on instinct first (1-2 passes) then after a day I go back and do my last pass. I find that most scores don't change, and if they do its only by a point or 2.
05/15/2012 10:11:25 AM · #7
I think the first moment is important, because if in the first half-second it doesn't grab me, I may not be there for the next half-second. The more first half-seconds I get with a photo, the better.

Voting isn't that much fun. Everyone who's voting is second-guessing everyone else who's voting. Everyone complains about the votes they get, or didn't get. Or so it sometimes seems. The votes you get don't change the way you feel about your photos, though. Doing the voting doesn't do that much to advance your knowledge/understanding of photography, either. But it is good for this site.

Voting isn't a very good reason for paying attention to a photo. Much better to look carefully at a photo to make the best comment possible. And that is also good for this site.

05/15/2012 12:42:08 PM · #8
Some images are eye candy that is immediately sweet but with little nutritional value, and do not hold up after multiple viewings. Others are more of an acquired taste, but once you have savored them a while a strong bond is formed. I hate to admit that too often I probably rush through voting giving not lingering as long as some entries deserve.

I try to be a good DPC citizen and vote and liberally comment on every challenge but too often I do not block out enough time. I try to come back to the images and make another pass adjusting scores and adding more comments, but frankly/sadly it does not always happen.
05/15/2012 01:26:18 PM · #9
Originally posted by markwiley:

Some images are eye candy that is immediately sweet but with little nutritional value, and do not hold up after multiple viewings. Others are more of an acquired taste, but once you have savored them a while a strong bond is formed. I hate to admit that too often I probably rush through voting giving not lingering as long as some entries deserve.

I try to be a good DPC citizen and vote and liberally comment on every challenge but too often I do not block out enough time. I try to come back to the images and make another pass adjusting scores and adding more comments, but frankly/sadly it does not always happen.


the food analogy is a good one. I have heard the definition of a connoisseur is one who can appreciate the excellence in a wine, for instance, even though it is not the grape or wine style she prefers...
05/15/2012 06:04:11 PM · #10
I never vote on the first pass through. I usually browse a challenge 2 or 3 times before I actually vote. Then I vote about halfway through the challenge. I rarely go back and look at my votes. When I do, I find that I'm not as impressed as I was to begin with. However, I don't lower scores after I give them. Initial impact is important in art, and just because something doesn't stand up over time, doesn't mean that it made less of an initial impact. I leave the vote because of it. However, if something has a strong initial impact and stays with me, I'll occasionally bump a vote.

However, the vast majority of the time, I find I feel the same way as I did when I voted, and that not much has changed over the week.

Message edited by author 2012-05-15 18:04:30.
05/15/2012 06:35:50 PM · #11
I am one of those whose pictures do not generally make a good first impression. I know this because people tell me that all the time.

So what should people like me do, if anything?

I generally vote then review and add points to those I like best.
05/15/2012 06:41:53 PM · #12
Originally posted by Melethia:

I am one of those whose pictures do not generally make a good first impression. I know this because people tell me that all the time.

So what should people like me do, if anything?

I generally vote then review and add points to those I like best.


I generally like your stuff on first impression. ;D

I never lower a vote after it's placed. I think that's just mean. I do generally make a second pass and raise some scores. I try not to vote when I can't devote the attention the pictures all deserve.
05/15/2012 07:16:05 PM · #13
Originally posted by Melethia:

I am one of those whose pictures do not generally make a good first impression. I know this because people tell me that all the time.

So what should people like me do, if anything?

I generally vote then review and add points to those I like best.


The only thing you can do is keep entering and hope people learn.

I did.

Usually your photos get an 8 from me, sometimes a 7, rarely anything less. (to everyone -- I don't know the photos ahead of time, I go back and look to see what I gave her, because I'm curious)

However, it didn't start out that way. Because you, and others who have your talent, continue to enter, I've learned a great appreciate for your type of photography.

Stick to your guns and hope people are as trainable as I am. :)
05/15/2012 07:17:58 PM · #14
Nobody likes me. But then i set up an elaborate trap involving vines, huge iron teeth things and honey. Then i usually get one or two poor saps that can look at my photos for more than a minute. Sometimes an hour. Occasionally i will have some lost soul that will really settle in and i have to feed them and stuff. Give them 10 mins or so to stretch their legs every 4 hours etc. Then i have to let them go as i feel bad. Or i kill them. That save all thes rubbish i get from the media and from all the DPC human rights trolls.
05/15/2012 07:26:30 PM · #15
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' rooum You may be wrong, a lot of people like your stuff, or is it you personally that you are talking about.

Anyway I started the thread b/c of what someone mentioned on a current photo in a challenge, I won't say much but it made me think, b/c I do the same.
05/15/2012 07:36:03 PM · #16
Ha! I'm gonna try Clive's method! Wonder we can find huge iron teeth....

(Thanks, Wendy.)
05/15/2012 08:07:06 PM · #17
Honey, that's it... I'm gonna wade through the entries from now on as if I were covered in honey.
05/15/2012 08:09:12 PM · #18
Originally posted by rooum:

Nobody likes me. But then i set up an elaborate trap involving vines, huge iron teeth things and honey. Then i usually get one or two poor saps that can look at my photos for more than a minute. Sometimes an hour. Occasionally i will have some lost soul that will really settle in and i have to feed them and stuff. Give them 10 mins or so to stretch their legs every 4 hours etc. Then i have to let them go as i feel bad. Or i kill them. That save all thes rubbish i get from the media and from all the DPC human rights trolls.


whoa -- missed the name change. Couldn't figure out who the heck rooum was...

Someday I really need a new name!
05/15/2012 08:11:59 PM · #19
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' rooum pictures for entrapment, what a great challenge idea! Voting depends on mood and the conflict of how you see yourself as a critic/affectionardo and how you really are, and the artist in you is how the two resolve - given that, I rarely vote down once having voted, usually one pass to look , next to vote, usually search for a alternate/unique angle I prefer in a shot and see if they tried to extend beyond technical correctness, but we are slaves to limited time.
05/15/2012 10:20:22 PM · #20
When voting DPC, a lot depends on the first impression. I try to pause on a photo that is unusual in any way, positive or negative, and force myself to dwell longer on it. If I still haven't figured it out at that point, I give it a 7. Then I go back to the 7s and look at them again, making decisions about my own "winners."
05/16/2012 05:35:04 AM · #21
Originally posted by vawendy:


Stick to your guns and hope people are as trainable as I am. :)


I have no problems with people sticking to their guns, and must admit that I find it an admirable trait.

Having said this, one has to appreciate that sticking to your guns can and often does come at a price. Over the years I stuck to my guns on repeated occasions and for that I ended up having some rather interesting postings. :O)

Ray
05/17/2012 10:27:53 AM · #22
Originally posted by pixelpig:

I think the first moment is important, because if in the first half-second it doesn't grab me, I may not be there for the next half-second. The more first half-seconds I get with a photo, the better.

Voting isn't that much fun.


Just handing out likes and don't-likes wouldn't be much fun indeed. What makes voting interesting is that each judged photo is an opportunity to understand why I have those feelings. Such awareness makes me more critical towards my own photography. Voting in that way is not a chore, but ratger a weekly training.

But when there's too few surprises amongst the submissions, it's sometimes hard to see them all through...
05/17/2012 10:50:45 AM · #23
I love voting! As a newb, it gives me the chance to look at everyone else's work and ask myself, "Okay WHY do I love this" or "WHY is this important"

Not everything resonates - but I've seen people capture what I wanted to do but didn't have the skills yet, and I research their methods, and I sincerely thank them for their art - voting gives me differing perspectives, which I think helps each of us grow.

The only thing I have a hard time with is when people say things like, "OMG, another wine glass" - and I'm thinking, "DUDE! What an awesome idea! I want to try something like that."

Sure, some day I'll be a trendsetter - but for now, where's the harm in at least a little bit of retro? :)
05/17/2012 11:35:57 AM · #24
Originally posted by wimwwimw:

Just handing out likes and don't-likes wouldn't be much fun indeed. What makes voting interesting is that each judged photo is an opportunity to understand why I have those feelings. Such awareness makes me more critical towards my own photography. Voting in that way is not a chore, but ratger a weekly training.

But when there's too few surprises amongst the submissions, it's sometimes hard to see them all through...

I agree.
When I saw nothing but waterfronts and mountains in landscape, that was expected, it's when I saw nothing but flowers in Yellow Still Life for example, did I blanket all flower shots with at least a minus 1-3 simply for being unoriginal.

In this sense, I completely agree with you in your first paragraph. I'm a lot more critical towards myself and try to think completely out of the box. If I have an inclination my idea could be oft repeated photo, the idea is dismissed immediately.

I like voting because it makes me look at every photo in hopes I find a new idea for that particular challenge which I otherwise wouldn't have thought. This is also why I like the extremely restrictive challenges, like Pencils, to see how the entrants try to differentiate themselves from the masses.

CS
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