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08/04/2012 01:16:09 AM · #1
and US TV stations don't even bother to cover it.

Article: American TV Neglected the Saddest Story in the Olympics

I can't even imagine how she must have felt and calls up a memory of a similar thing that happened to me as a kid, though obviously nowhere near on this level. It breaks my heart just thinking about it...
08/04/2012 01:19:06 AM · #2
More details in this article.
08/04/2012 01:52:35 AM · #3
She was cheated, a disgrace that mars and taints the biggest sport event on Earth(Maybe second after soccer?) What a sad face. I felt like crying with her. The fact that the clock was zeroed alone should have shown that the rules were raped.

But yes, it is only fencing and she is only a foreigner. So what? Makes me sick.
08/04/2012 01:59:24 AM · #4
Maybe the 15 year old could take over as a boxing judge, she would certainly be an improvement over the scoring over there if she only made a one second error.
08/04/2012 02:12:39 AM · #5
//www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2012/08/202_116573.html

Wait, but there is more! FOUR cheats, sad co-incidence in sad forgettable Olympics. Forgettable being my leading opinion. Sorry UK friends, this is not about you. This is about the Olympic Committee and their clowns. Almost like a Sep Blatter horror movie.
08/04/2012 02:54:12 AM · #6
Originally posted by docpjv:

She was cheated, a disgrace that mars and taints the biggest sport event on Earth(Maybe second after soccer?) What a sad face. I felt like crying with her. The fact that the clock was zeroed alone should have shown that the rules were raped.

But yes, it is only fencing and she is only a foreigner. So what? Makes me sick.


Yes. Exactly how I feel. Disgraceful.
08/04/2012 03:38:31 AM · #7
//www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19073420

video here might need a uk proxy, not as clear cut as that and the germany woman did do a nice strike

the removed by security bit in that espn drivel was a man in a suit putting his arm rd her and giving her a hug and walking off with her

08/04/2012 07:16:40 AM · #8

This may sound odd, but the thing that struck me the most in the article was the fact that the author acknowledges that at 15 years of age he couldn't tell time... now that is sad.

Ray
08/04/2012 07:23:17 AM · #9
I reckon that the 15 year old was probably busy updating scores here or deciding wether it's a good idea to carry a hand gun :) time waits for no boy.

08/04/2012 09:10:44 AM · #10
Pretty pathetic...
08/04/2012 09:45:37 AM · #11
I once had to time for Rebecca Soni... scary!! This was for state Junior Olympics and no, they didn't let the kids do it - each team was required to appoint adults to cover the lanes. In swimming the hand held watches are only the backup to the electronic timer. I had been doing it for years but I still always hoped my time would never count for anything! It's a shame this had to happen to this young athlete. Not fair at all.
08/04/2012 10:03:14 AM · #12
One would think that the video of the match could be used to determine what the timing should have been. If it was a late hit, it was late no matter how good it was. Position only counts at the finish line. The officials should have made it right, no matter what country she came from. In the end, the officials could have determined what was right, and done it.
08/04/2012 10:23:37 AM · #13
The kids and I watched the Woman's Fencing on NBC sports channel and we saw none of this. That ruling is just absurd. My husband has not done fencing for awhile so he could not answer this question.

(*IF* she knew what the absurd ruling was) If Britta Heidemann of Germany conceded the match to Shin of S. Korea, would her act of conceding allowed Shin to advance?

Going back to the issue of the ruling - this I feel is a case of common sense should have been utilized to make the right decision.

Message edited by author 2012-08-04 10:24:41.
08/04/2012 12:05:43 PM · #14
Oops, never mind...

Message edited by author 2012-08-04 12:07:20.
08/04/2012 12:15:44 PM · #15
i cant find any mention on the bbc of a 15 yr old time keeper

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Level with 2008 gold medallist Heidemann at 5-5 following nine minutes of action, Shin had priority, meaning she would have made the final if she had made it through the sudden-death minute without conceding a point.
But referee Barbara Csar reset the time with one second left after Shin was guilty of an infringement and Heidemann scored the crucial point.
Shin broke down in tears and her coach made his objections clear, but, after lengthy deliberation between technical directors and then officials from the International Fencing Federation, Heidemann's win stood.
After the 70-minute delay, Shin reappeared for her bronze-medal match but was beaten 15-11 by China's Yujie Sun. Shemyakina overcame Heidemann 9-8 in extra-time to win the gold

so i dont think its as clear cut as that sexed up article makes out, if they deliberated and checked it for over an hour im sure it was the right decision.

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08/04/2012 12:38:40 PM · #16
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Pretty pathetic...


You mean the thread I guess.......
08/04/2012 12:39:39 PM · #17
I read earlier in the papers that also the clock only works in seconds and as the penultimate action occured in the last second the referee had to re start from 1 second as there was no option to start from say 1/2 a second, therefore there would always be time for one last very fast attack as was the case here, just need to check where I read it but think it was the Metro (London free paper)

Message edited by author 2012-08-04 12:40:34.
08/04/2012 12:46:59 PM · #18
Truly sad. And all this whining about the US not giving completely coverage... well it seems (from Gile's post) that the UK isn't reporting "completely" either. Regardless, I love the Olympics. Greatest show on earth - sports-wise.

@ Brennan - yes, I concur. Very sad that the same excitement isn't applied to any other area of human achievement, except perhaps acting.

@ Lynn - your accomplishments never cease to amaze me :-)
08/04/2012 12:46:59 PM · #19
Whoa! Double post!

Message edited by author 2012-08-04 12:47:18.
08/04/2012 12:53:45 PM · #20
Originally posted by Tiny:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Pretty pathetic...


You mean the thread I guess.......


SMH... Exactly what is that supposed to mean?
08/04/2012 01:32:04 PM · #21
I saw nothing in the article that showed that this was the fault of the time keeper. The resetting of the clock is hardly unusual in the sports I watch; and a one second adjustment is hardly earth shattering.

The author of the piece Mr. Rudnitsky expands on allegations made by a korean coach who's charge could not defend herself for one second.
"The Korean team believes the situation resulted from poor management by the referee and timekeeper."

"Kim said, Its possible that the referee did it because she thought the timekeeper had pressed the button before she started the second play.

I do not understand why the poor timekeeper is being held to blame. There is no evidence that there was a mistake by the clock keeper, the author just assumes it is her fault because she is 15. I know 15 year old girls I would trust more than 40 year old men, you can't assume it is her fault because she is young.

"Shin allegedly committed a violation just before the buzzer. One second was added to the clock because of said violation. The match then restarted, but the clock stayed at one second. Heidemann took three swipes at Shin, the third of which connected as time expired to give her a buzzer-beating victory"

The current appeal focuses on a mechanical flaw rather than operator error.

Fencing uses a clock that only counts whole seconds, there is no way to count partial seconds, so with violations and double touches (indicated by the referee waving both hands down across her body,waiving off the touch) the full second was put back on the clock. So it looks like that second is on the clock for ages, but they are three separate one second clocks.

Message edited by author 2012-08-04 15:29:10.
08/04/2012 02:48:24 PM · #22
[quote=tanguera] Truly sad. And all this whining about the US not giving completely coverage... well it seems (from Gile's post) that the UK isn't reporting "completely" either.

i think the BBC has much higer standards of reporting than the other drivel ive read on this, omega are the official timers and there is a post on watch forum about it, doesnt seem to be any official source saying that the timer was 15..

interesting take on shoddy journalism here

//forums.watchuseek.com/f20/timekeeping-costs-medal-olympics-728039.html

volunteers 16-18

//www.london2012.com/about-us/volunteers/about-our-games-makers/

i cant find any credible source that shows a 15 yr old, only repeats of that awful first article, its a manufactured story

Message edited by author 2012-08-04 14:56:47.
08/04/2012 06:21:06 PM · #23
I know nothing about fencing so please fill me in, is there a buzzer or a whistle of some kind that indicates the end of the match. If so then what I have to say, and it may seem cruel but, play to the whistle.

08/04/2012 10:13:33 PM · #24
I watched the entire feed last night (skipped over much). Here is what I saw:

What is interesting is that the British commentators on the feed said "how was that any less than a second", referring to the first bout after the clock was stopped with 1 second remaining. At the same time, A-Lam couldn't believe the referee had called for another en garde at 1 second, and then again when the clock dropped to 0:00 and the referee put a "1 second" back on the clock; she was perplexed and visibly distraught. Clearly at that moment, when 2 bouts had gone down with 1 second left and then an additional second placed that time was certainly exceeded. The coach started to protest when the "1 second" was added even before the final hit.

The whole instance was pretty nerve racking just from watching. Heidemann was pacing back and forth, sometimes what looked like she was staring at A-Lam. I found it interesting that after the appeal went in and both contenders were standing/sitting on the piste, that the two coaches were sitting next to each other talking (I believe in French) to each other.

There were pleas from the announcers to the audience to have decorum and respect for what is going on. When A-Lam was essentially pulled off the piste the crowd erupted into respectful applause. Spectators were visibly upset as well as it was clear they felt the heartbreak A-Lam felt.

The bronze metal match was even harder to watch. A-Lam's performance just a short time after the instance showed what effect the whole ordeal took on her.

I dunno...there is something about the Olympics this year that seems quite a bit more emotional and respectful. Even when Gabby Douglas won the gold with Viktoria Komova following in tears, one can't help to feel the same heart break.
08/05/2012 11:13:41 AM · #25
I had read the story already, but was under the impression that there was some obvious issue with the time actually being over the 1 second. After watching this video though, I couldn't determine if that was actually the case.

The point looked like it was most likely good and the strike would have been at the tail end of that 1 second. It seems the issue though is with the second having been added at all.
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