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08/26/2012 01:44:25 PM · #1
Now this is an interesting article.

you suck
08/26/2012 01:46:02 PM · #2
Nice! Will check out the links, too. Thanks!

P.S. But everyone on Facebook tells me my camera takes really great pictures!! :-)

Message edited by author 2012-08-26 13:46:21.
08/26/2012 01:53:00 PM · #3
Originally posted by Melethia:

Nice! Will check out the links, too. Thanks!

P.S. But everyone on Facebook tells me my camera takes really great pictures!! :-)


Tell them, "Your stove cooks really good food!"
08/26/2012 01:53:46 PM · #4
Excellent!

It's why I've marked as helpful almost every comment I've received at DPC.
08/26/2012 01:56:46 PM · #5
Originally posted by levyj413:

Excellent!

It's why I've marked as helpful almost every comment I've received at DPC.

But Jeffrey, all those helpful comments here still hasn't improved your picture taking. ;-P
08/26/2012 01:56:50 PM · #6
Originally posted by bmartuch:

Originally posted by Melethia:

Nice! Will check out the links, too. Thanks!

P.S. But everyone on Facebook tells me my camera takes really great pictures!! :-)


Tell them, "Your stove cooks really good food!"

Nah, I always take it as compliment. I do take better pictures with the "good" camera than with my phone, for instance. My phone actually kinda sucks for pictures...

I also take it as a compliment when the gals I ride with constantly download my pictures and post them on their own FB pages. ;)
08/26/2012 02:02:15 PM · #7
Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by levyj413:

Excellent!

It's why I've marked as helpful almost every comment I've received at DPC.

But Jeffrey, all those helpful comments here still hasn't improved your picture taking. ;-P


That's COLD Peter!! LOL
08/26/2012 02:11:55 PM · #8
The article makes some good points. Also some I don't agree with. "Back when respect was something earned and not a right of birth." I think you SHOULD respect someone right away, benefit of the doubt, until they give you reason to feel otherwise. But I think in any case respect has little to do with critiquing a photo or not. You can dissect a photo and still respect the person who shot it.

Also fear of failure personally never did anything but cripple me. My best shots are taken when I feel happy and confident and really in tune with my subject(s). If I fear failure, I generally fail.
08/26/2012 02:18:57 PM · #9
I like the first sentence: "Worse yet, nobody is going to tell you." Obviously he never entered a challenge here :)
08/26/2012 02:46:25 PM · #10
Originally posted by hajeka:

I like the first sentence: "Worse yet, nobody is going to tell you." Obviously he never entered a challenge here :)

He addresses that near the end of the article ...
Originally posted by Linked Article:

There are some sites that are doing an amazing job at publishing great photography. If you want to become a better photographer, look at these sites. When looking at the work, ask yourself, "How would I have approached this situation?" and/or "Would I have done better or worse than this photographer?" and also simple technical things, like what shutter speed or aperture was used.
08/26/2012 03:17:07 PM · #11
Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by levyj413:

Excellent!

It's why I've marked as helpful almost every comment I've received at DPC.

But Jeffrey, all those helpful comments here still hasn't improved your picture taking. ;-P


I know! It's all their fault!
08/26/2012 03:19:04 PM · #12
Originally posted by escapetooz:

The article makes some good points. Also some I don't agree with. "Back when respect was something earned and not a right of birth." I think you SHOULD respect someone right away, benefit of the doubt, until they give you reason to feel otherwise. But I think in any case respect has little to do with critiquing a photo or not. You can dissect a photo and still respect the person who shot it.

Also fear of failure personally never did anything but cripple me. My best shots are taken when I feel happy and confident and really in tune with my subject(s). If I fear failure, I generally fail.


I agree with you on both points. Of course, "failure" can be defined in many ways. Often, we learn as much when some outside force tells us we "failed" as when they say we "succeeded."

As Edison said, he didn't fail several hundred times when working on his light bulb. Rather, he found many ways that didn't work as he figured out what did.
08/26/2012 03:56:40 PM · #13
more suckage.
08/26/2012 04:59:50 PM · #14
I accord everyone I meet a fair measure of respect. Whether they go up or down from there, depends...

I would have bought his book. But chances are... It sucks....
08/26/2012 11:32:11 PM · #15
Years ago I was sitting around a campfire worrying about singing on stage the next day and a woman said something that eradicated my fear of performing in front of an audience. "What's the worst that could happen, dare to suck". You will never be as good as you might be if you are afraid of sucking. I am perfectly willing to take the risk.
08/26/2012 11:35:57 PM · #16
Originally posted by ambaker:

I accord everyone I meet a fair measure of respect. Whether they go up or down from there, depends...

I would have bought his book. But chances are... It sucks....


Yep. Seems to me if you come at someone with no respect right off the bat, they have fair reason not to respect you and then it's obvious what happens next... round and round the disrespect goes.
08/26/2012 11:37:35 PM · #17
Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Years ago I was sitting around a campfire worrying about singing on stage the next day and a woman said something that eradicated my fear of performing in front of an audience. "What's the worst that could happen, dare to suck". You will never be as good as you might be if you are afraid of sucking. I am perfectly willing to take the risk.


Yea I've read that advice a lot when it comes to writing too. Just TRY to write something sucky. :P I think that's the whole point of NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month). You just get that word cound, 50,000 words in a month and do that novel whether it sucks or not. Be free and write!! I failed 2 times at making the word count. Apparently I have great issues with daring to suck! ;P Always this year. November!!

ETA: Sounds like a fun idea for a challenge, or side challenge.

Message edited by author 2012-08-26 23:38:29.
08/27/2012 07:55:03 AM · #18
Originally posted by escapetooz:

Just TRY to write something sucky. :P I think that's the whole point of NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month). You just get that word cound, 50,000 words in a month and do that novel whether it sucks or not.

For the Bullwer-Lytton ("It was a dark and stormy night ...") Bad Writing Contest you only need a bad opening paragraph ...

Message edited by author 2012-08-27 07:55:42.
08/27/2012 08:21:23 AM · #19
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Just TRY to write something sucky. :P I think that's the whole point of NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month). You just get that word cound, 50,000 words in a month and do that novel whether it sucks or not.

For the Bullwer-Lytton ("It was a dark and stormy night ...") Bad Writing Contest you only need a bad opening paragraph ...


I've entered that one. Twice. Apparently I'm not that bad...
08/27/2012 02:17:11 PM · #20
Originally posted by escapetooz:

"Back when respect was something earned and not a right of birth." I think you SHOULD respect someone right away, benefit of the doubt, until they give you reason to feel otherwise.

Respect based on what? Common courtesy, and a genuine willingness to get to know someone is one thing, but repect *is* something to be earned.

I don't respect someone just for being vertical for the day, I will be courteous and open to his/her thoughts.

According to dictionary.com:

"Esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment."

It's not a case of giving someone the benefit of the doubt, it's about acknowledging something special about them that you admire.

Like.......I have a great amount of respect for the ability of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' jagar to see and capture the truly special human condition in his candid photography.
08/27/2012 03:18:54 PM · #21
Or, as in I respectfully disagree.
08/30/2012 12:16:54 PM · #22
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

"Back when respect was something earned and not a right of birth." I think you SHOULD respect someone right away, benefit of the doubt, until they give you reason to feel otherwise.

Respect based on what? Common courtesy, and a genuine willingness to get to know someone is one thing, but repect *is* something to be earned.

I don't respect someone just for being vertical for the day, I will be courteous and open to his/her thoughts.

According to dictionary.com:

"Esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment."

It's not a case of giving someone the benefit of the doubt, it's about acknowledging something special about them that you admire.

Like.......I have a great amount of respect for the ability of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' jagar to see and capture the truly special human condition in his candid photography.


You defined the noun. The definition of the verb isn't so grave.

verb (used with object)
9.
to hold in esteem or honor:
10.
to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.

Regard or consideration seems to be bare minimum in how to treat someone. Everyone deserves respect.

A youth is to be regarded with respect. How do you know that his future will not be equal to our present? - Confucious

08/30/2012 12:17:23 PM · #23
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Just TRY to write something sucky. :P I think that's the whole point of NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month). You just get that word cound, 50,000 words in a month and do that novel whether it sucks or not.

For the Bullwer-Lytton ("It was a dark and stormy night ...") Bad Writing Contest you only need a bad opening paragraph ...


I've entered that one. Twice. Apparently I'm not that bad...


Hmmm I'll have to check it out. ;)

08/30/2012 12:44:24 PM · #24
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Respect based on what? Common courtesy, and a genuine willingness to get to know someone is one thing, but repect *is* something to be earned.

I don't respect someone just for being vertical for the day, I will be courteous and open to his/her thoughts.

According to dictionary.com:

"Esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment."

It's not a case of giving someone the benefit of the doubt, it's about acknowledging something special about them that you admire.

Like.......I have a great amount of respect for the ability of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' jagar to see and capture the truly special human condition in his candid photography.


Originally posted by escapetooz:

You defined the noun.

You mean like the context with which it was used?

Originally posted by The Article:

Back when respect was something earned and not a right of birth.


Originally posted by escapetooz:

Regard or consideration seems to be bare minimum in how to treat someone. Everyone deserves respect.

Still don't buy it that everyone deserves respect. It simply isn't something that should be accorded someone just for existence. Why you would say regard or consideration is the bare minimum pretty much smacks of an entitlement attitude. Nobody's entitled to anything in this world.

Originally posted by escapetooz:

A youth is to be regarded with respect. How do you know that his future will not be equal to our present? - Confucious

I'm sure I could dig around and find a quote, but not really feeling any need to have to support the way I learned values and/or how I grew up. It's just a different way of looking at things. I've never expected to get something for nothing......not a job, respect, or anything else. It's on me to make my way, work hard, try to do the next right thing, and keep plugging along. I don't expect anybody to pave my way.
08/30/2012 01:31:30 PM · #25
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I've never expected to get something for nothing......not a job, respect, or anything else. It's on me to make my way, work hard, try to do the next right thing, and keep plugging along. I don't expect anybody to pave my way.

Try teaching university students, the antithesis of your comment is their credo. That's the reason I quit being a professor.

Message edited by author 2012-08-30 13:33:58.
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