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08/23/2004 04:53:02 PM · #26
I agree with Konador.
08/23/2004 04:56:24 PM · #27
I was my model... no bad comments about my body (THANK YOU ALL), but a few about the quality of the picture. I'm hoping that the score is reflecting the quality and not the body, too, as I'm still under a 6 (score, not size). :)

Oh, and special thanks to Natator. :) Your comment made my day. I just downloaded some anti-noise software, and can't wait to use it on my next challenge.

Oh, and just as a little fun tidbit, my body was on an episode of the Dr. Phil show-- I've lost a lot of weight, so me modeling here is a BIG deal for me. :D
08/23/2004 04:56:44 PM · #28
i agree with you bobster. it does take courage for the model (and the photographer) to post these photos to begin with.. stupid locker-room type comments have no place in a challenge like this. a negative comment that offers no sort of critique or help at all, should just be kept to one's self. i hope your model doesn't take these comments as representative of the norm here. good luck in the challenge bud!
08/23/2004 04:57:05 PM · #29
I should also remind those that are making obnoxious/immature comments that when the voting is over, the dpchallenge public will see their comments, with their name attached. I myself will not be thinking highly of anyone who comments without tact or thought!
08/23/2004 05:06:04 PM · #30
I agree with what Konador is saying too .. I just don't think it would be right to point out physical attributes people don't like about the model .. the model may cause a voter to not like the image, and as long as the comments aren't hurtful to the model then I think its fine to say in a tactful way that the model isn't right for a particular setup. Or something along those lines.
08/23/2004 05:14:21 PM · #31
Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

[...]the model may cause a voter to not like the image, and as long as the comments aren't hurtful to the model then I think its fine to say in a tactful way that the model isn't right for a particular setup {...}


Given that our votes, by their very nature, reflect our subjective opinions on the images (even if we use one of the scales I've seen posted recently to try and be a little more consistent) it's only natural that the appeal of a particular model in a particular image will play a part.

That doesn't mean that only the entries featuring "pretty" models will earn high scores - there are a number which present more gritty or quirky images which work very well with the "real people" models they feature.

I agree that it's valid to point out if a particular model doesn't work for a particular shot provided this can be done in a polite way. The trouble is that this is very hard to do and personally I'd rather leave a thought unspoken than emotionally wound someone with my words.
08/23/2004 05:23:00 PM · #32
For Konodor and those agreeing.. the original issue here wasn't the loss of points in voting.. it was the insensitive commenting. Insensitive commenting has no place, IMHO, and has *nothing* do do with the voting. If you find a model unattractive, fine, but why make an issue out of it by leaving a comment saying such? Just give it the vote you would, and let it be.

Just my 2 cents worth.
08/23/2004 05:30:05 PM · #33
I agree, Artyste...

...but remember, a model that isn't appropriate (whether unattractive or for other reasons) may take away from the picture just as a semi-wilted flower may detract from an otherwise beautiful macro shot.

Just as discretion should be used when selecting the subject of any other photograph and deciding the subject's merit when evaluating it, I think the same should be done with nude photography (if not much more so).

But, the emphasis was on the sensitivity (or lack thereof) in the comments and on that point I emphatically agree.


Message edited by author 2004-08-23 17:31:59.
08/23/2004 05:33:54 PM · #34
Oh, I wasn't questioning that at all. :) There're just positive critiques.. and insensitive BS.. and I think we all, as a community, can agree on which one is better.

Now I just need to get my $25 to DPChallenge somehow so I can become a member and actually vote and take part in these challenges..
Darn my being a Canadian without a Credit Card!
08/23/2004 05:34:20 PM · #35
Originally posted by Artyste:

For Konodor and those agreeing.. the original issue here wasn't the loss of points in voting.. it was the insensitive commenting. Insensitive commenting has no place, IMHO, and has *nothing* do do with the voting. If you find a model unattractive, fine, but why make an issue out of it by leaving a comment saying such? Just give it the vote you would, and let it be.

Just my 2 cents worth.


Commenters just can't win. People always say "tell me why you're voting me low!" but when they do they get attacked. There is no polite way to say I voted this lower because I find the model unattractive and they don't complement the photo. But if thats the true reason, and they want to know why their votes are low, what should commenters do? It's catch 22 or catch 44 or whatever number the catch is, i can't remember, hehe :)
08/23/2004 05:36:18 PM · #36
Originally posted by Konador:

It's catch 22 or catch 44 or whatever number the catch is, i can't remember, hehe :)


Philistine!
08/23/2004 05:40:35 PM · #37
Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by Artyste:

For Konodor and those agreeing.. the original issue here wasn't the loss of points in voting.. it was the insensitive commenting. Insensitive commenting has no place, IMHO, and has *nothing* do do with the voting. If you find a model unattractive, fine, but why make an issue out of it by leaving a comment saying such? Just give it the vote you would, and let it be.

Just my 2 cents worth.


Commenters just can't win. People always say "tell me why you're voting me low!" but when they do they get attacked. There is no polite way to say I voted this lower because I find the model unattractive and they don't complement the photo. But if thats the true reason, and they want to know why their votes are low, what should commenters do? It's catch 22 or catch 44 or whatever number the catch is, i can't remember, hehe :)


Compare the following:

A) "I voted this lower because I find the model unattractive and they don't complement the photo"

B)"The ugly chick makes me barf".

Message edited by author 2004-08-23 17:41:40.
08/23/2004 05:42:54 PM · #38
You have the alternitve to not to comment and not to tell them what you voted.
we have a saying in Iceland that translates to something like this:
Silense is as valuable as gold.

Message edited by author 2004-08-23 17:44:05.
08/23/2004 05:46:18 PM · #39
Originally posted by siggi:

You have the alternitve to not to comment and not to tell them what you voted.
we have a saying in Iceland that translates to something like this:
Silense is as valuable as gold.


In Canada, we have this saying: Don't put naked pictures of your wife on the internet.

Okay, I'm kidding! Take it with a grain of Canadian road salt, everyone.
08/23/2004 06:02:41 PM · #40
I'd like to add that the model used in my photo is perfect for the shot, and I don't think that body shape or attractiveness is an issue in the comments I talked about. I agree that the attractiveness of the model used in a photograph can have a bearing on how good the photo as a whole is, and so voters should feel free to comment on this tactfully if they feel it influences the quality of the photo.
Comments I'm talking about are more of the Beavis and Butthead variety, as mentioned earlier... but I'm sure you're okay, FSCNitro!
08/23/2004 10:11:47 PM · #41
I think it's so rude for people to make negative comments on the model. Honestly, this challenge isn't even about this, and that bothers me that people are so cruel. Shouldn't people be judging on the photographic quality? grr.
08/23/2004 10:42:56 PM · #42
I didn't want to start a new thread to say this .. but in the nude challenge that there are many really incredible pictures. Not just because there are naked girls (I gave several 10's to pictures of guys) .. but they way they are done is really well. I think part of it has to do that with the nature of this challenge. People really put the time into making a good picture and not just a quick snapshot of something. Congratulations to all of you ... nude photography is an art of its own.

As for the models ... they are all great ! except for the occasional intentional funny pictures .. And this isn't a playboy or something (the prettiness of the model is not first priority) ... so I don't really see how a model looks should affect scoring (maybe on a subconscious level it does).

Good luck to all,
Mike
08/23/2004 10:55:08 PM · #43
While I sympathize with your models sensitivities, and I find a lack of courtesy to be abhorent; when you joined this site, you did agree that you understood there is a good possiblity you will be offended from time to time:
Originally posted by Terms of Service:

4.5 ... You understand that by using the Website, you may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable. ...

It was your responsibility, as part of securing a model release (even if verbal), that you make certain your model understood this. Failing that, I would certainly consider you to owe her an apology -- just as much as you feel those making the objectional comments owe her one.

David
But, what do I know, I view such things in a harsher light than most.
08/24/2004 12:06:05 AM · #44
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

I'd like to add that the model used in my photo is perfect for the shot, and I don't think that body shape or attractiveness is an issue in the comments I talked about. I agree that the attractiveness of the model used in a photograph can have a bearing on how good the photo as a whole is, and so voters should feel free to comment on this tactfully if they feel it influences the quality of the photo.
Comments I'm talking about are more of the Beavis and Butthead variety, as mentioned earlier... but I'm sure you're okay, FSCNitro!


Excuse me for posting this here, but BobsterLobster... did you get a PM from me? I only ask because I did not get ANY PM's until I got an e-mail account away from my normal ISP. I kinda expected you'd PM me back if you got it. Sorry everyone for the thread interruption.

-Tom-
08/24/2004 12:39:41 AM · #45
Simpley just WRONG!!!....Hey, I acturaly would vote down for being TOO perfect of a body...However, I'm looking at the overall set up, exposure, frameing, pose, lighting and yes, how does this make me feel...attraction does play a part...However, it's just wrong to riducle any model.
08/24/2004 12:57:06 AM · #46
Lobster is right and konador is right. However the point that Lobster is making goes beyond voting an image down. There are some very immature members who have suffered a proper upbringing and their sense of goodness and compassion is mangled and twisted. They are very rough edged and they hurl snide remarks and often insult on the models.

Is it necessary? No, best to give your one and keep going if you can not be civil. You have a substantial group of very nice people here who are trying to learn and these rough-edged creatures enjoy fencing in emotional battles. This tells you how frustrated they are.

08/24/2004 12:57:07 AM · #47
Just on a side note, did anyone notice the cover of National Geographic for August? It is a Nude shot. It is also a Nude shot of an overweight female. If you haven't seen it, you should just swing by the book store and take a look at it.

Small version of the pic here
//magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0408/index.html

This shows that you can make the cover of the National Geographic even without a perfect body.
08/24/2004 01:10:39 AM · #48
I'ts funny that some people are using the term "sexy" as a parameter to jugde a nude picture. IMHO nude art is very different from erotism or pornography. I think that if you want to be aroused by nude photography you would be better off looking at Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, or your choice from Hustler, Playboy, etc.
It is also true that our society has erotized the skin due to sexual repression and religious prejudice, but I think that we can overcome this and look at pictures in the nude challenge looking for art, not for something else.
08/24/2004 01:31:29 AM · #49
It is real sad that some oafs can't differ between an Art form an their pitiful sense of sexuality
08/24/2004 04:59:40 AM · #50
Large version of the NG picture Skief posted
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