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12/24/2012 09:36:54 AM · #1
For once I think we should hand the rapists to the crowds. Bet rape will not be on people's once the inevitable has happened with those savages.

What do you think?

Personally, we are far to lenient with rapers. My opinion, rapist has no recourse to being treated as a human, he has no human rights. That he gave up by raping. Victim rights and the right of society, in this case outweighs any other claims to rights.
12/24/2012 09:49:48 AM · #2
Originally posted by docpjv:

For once I think we should hand the rapists to the crowds. Bet rape will not be on people's once the inevitable has happened with those savages.

What do you think?

Personally, we are far to lenient with rapers. My opinion, rapist has no recourse to being treated as a human, he has no human rights. That he gave up by raping. Victim rights and the right of society, in this case outweighs any other claims to rights.


i agree.
12/24/2012 01:58:13 PM · #3
Once you start designating certain groups of humans as not entitled to human rights, where do you stop? It's not that long ago that it was being argued that witches, homosexuals, the mentally imapaired, gypsies and Jews should be so classified.

Don't become what you claim to abhor.
12/25/2012 03:57:15 AM · #4
It is an insult to "witches, homosexuals, the mentally imapaired, gypsies and Jews should be so classified" to be mentioned in the same breath as RAPISTS.

Where do we stop? At those who decide to give up their rights to be called human. Ever heard about 'Victim Rights'?

"Don't become what you claim to abhor." How can any one come to the conclusion you will become what you detest/hate/abhor; are those words meant to say the hater of the rapist will be/is worse than the rapist?

Do not get me wrong, this a very emotional subject for me. Very personal. Then let me become what I abhor. Let me become the voice in 6.999999999999999 Billion. Rapists should not have any claim to be human. Neither any person who gives up the right by doing what 99.99% of all human beings never will do.
12/25/2012 05:43:33 AM · #5
Originally posted by docpjv:

For once I think we should hand the rapists to the crowds. Bet rape will not be on people's once the inevitable has happened with those savages.

What do you think?


1. I think that the General is consistent and I respect him for that.
2. Are you in favor of capitol punishment or simply an eye for an eye type retribution or something more extreme like castration?
3. What exactly is your definition of rape? Is it the thousands of college girls who find themselves in a compromising position after too much partying? The husband who cajoles his wife into sex when she really doesn't want to? The young girl who finds herself in the backseat of a car when the heavy petting gets a bit more steamy and she decides she may of made a poor choice getting into that position? Or maybe rape is defined as the "spoils" of war when the Janjaweed come into a village and chop off the legs of a young girl and openly rape her in front of her family? Maybe it is the selling of a young girl by her parents into sexual slavery so the rest of the family can eat? Or even the corrupt official who looks the other way when young girls are promised jobs that turn out to be strippers or prostitutes? What about the politicians who are complicit with their vote, approving zone ordinances for "adult" entertainment businesses or massage parlors? Are these all not a definition RAPE? Child molesters? Are they rapists too? What about teachers and consexual sex with underage minors? Quid pro quo sex with bosses/managers? Rape?
4. As a 20 year Sexual Harassment Assault Rape Prevention (SHARP) intstructor, I have seen too much. Heard too many accounts. Read too many heartbrreaking reports. A common statistic from the early '90's was that 1 in 4 women would be or have been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. Pretty alarming statistic. Unfortunately a high percentage is by someone they know - commonly known as acquaintance rape or date rape. Often not reported and often due to their questioning whether they played a role in getting into that circumstance in the first place.
5. NO should always mean NO. Whether a spouse, girlfriend, sibling, daughter, cousin, friend, acquaintance, or stranger. NO should always mean NO. Holding those accountable who prey on the innocent and the weak and the vulnerable and those in need - should indeed be a crime. The penalty is the question. I prefer allowing them to be secure in their person and having the means to prevent violence upon themselves. First through education and training on avoidance and prevention, and secondly with tactics and tools to facilitate their security.

But we already know where THAT discussion would go.

Message edited by author 2012-12-25 05:53:22.
12/25/2012 08:32:07 PM · #6
i forgot where it was, but there's a country which law states that rapist get their pe*** cut off
not sure what they gonna do with female rapists though
12/25/2012 08:46:26 PM · #7
Originally posted by crayon:

i forgot where it was, but there's a country which law states that rapist get their pe*** cut off
not sure what they gonna do with female rapists though

It's called "castration"... Last I heard, Czech Republic uses surgical castration as punishment, though it's controversial for obvious reasons. There is also chemical castration, which involves lowering the sex drive chemically. That's even used in some states in the USA, usually voluntarily in exchange for a reduced sentence.
12/25/2012 08:52:29 PM · #8
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by crayon:

i forgot where it was, but there's a country which law states that rapist get their pe*** cut off
not sure what they gonna do with female rapists though

It's called "castration"... Last I heard, Czech Republic uses surgical castration as punishment, though it's controversial for obvious reasons. There is also chemical castration, which involves lowering the sex drive chemically. That's even used in some states in the USA, usually voluntarily in exchange for a reduced sentence.

interesting. if they can chemically reduce the sex drive, it means they could chemically increase it as well.
i wonder if some secret evil organization is already using it to create scandals among high level people.

Message edited by author 2012-12-25 20:52:59.
01/05/2013 01:16:24 AM · #9
victim was disemboweled

There are a couple of threads promoting the restriction of firearms. To me, this case is reason enough to give law abiding citizens the option of concealed carry. It sickens me when I read of this, and further read of the fever by several posters on this site to make more of us victims. Some who ardently seek confiscation and the outlawing of firearm possession also are against capitol punishment for the convicted criminal. I can positively assure you that we see the world very differently. These criminals once convicted should pay the ultimate price and the victims should have had the means to secure their own safety - if they had choosen to do so.

I simply do not undertand those who are for disarmament, against capitol punishment, and for the murdering of millions of innocent babies (pro choice). Seems like you have it all backwards. Protect the innocent and punish the criminals - NOT - protect the criminals and disarm the law abiding and murder the innocent.

This young woman was sagely beaten and raped then her intestines were ripped out before being thrown off the bus - and she doesn't deserve the right to defend herself?

Unbelievable.
01/05/2013 03:14:36 AM · #10
Originally posted by Flash:

victim was disemboweled

There are a couple of threads promoting the restriction of firearms. To me, this case is reason enough to give law abiding citizens the option of concealed carry. It sickens me when I read of this, and further read of the fever by several posters on this site to make more of us victims. Some who ardently seek confiscation and the outlawing of firearm possession also are against capitol punishment for the convicted criminal. I can positively assure you that we see the world very differently. These criminals once convicted should pay the ultimate price and the victims should have had the means to secure their own safety - if they had choosen to do so.

I simply do not undertand those who are for disarmament, against capitol punishment, and for the murdering of millions of innocent babies (pro choice). Seems like you have it all backwards. Protect the innocent and punish the criminals - NOT - protect the criminals and disarm the law abiding and murder the innocent.

This young woman was sagely beaten and raped then her intestines were ripped out before being thrown off the bus - and she doesn't deserve the right to defend herself?

Unbelievable.


I am so sorry dear friend, but that is absolute speculation; do you think her friend could have taken them all out before they would peg him? Come on, if guns where allowed, he would still not have carried but they would have. Then, using your logic, he was dead too. Fact is like that idiot Pratt is not man enough to admit; guns kill. Okay people kill, guns just help to make sure they are not lucky enough to live. Remember, that same day of the school shooting, what happened in China. "Unfortunately" non of those kids were killed.

More amusing is how you (ab)use this opportunity to get back onto the gun-donkey. Let's stick here to what it is all about. The rape of an Indian girl and the revenge the people are entitled to.... check the news. ( On your hobby-horse, wonder what would have the protests have been like if all those protesters where armed LOL). You know, maybe we should give out 900,000,000 guns in India. And a billion in China, oh and do not forget, to every Arab and middle eastern man and remember me in that handout process too. Iraq and Iran and North Korea too.... yes, yes, weapons to all, we can all go on defense of our defenses!!! There are a few scores I would like to settle whilst I am playing my end game in this chaotic world we made.

Yes Flash, friend, brother on DPC and fellow man, you are missing the point. For once, I said, and now repeat, those savages should be handed over to the people to decide what should happen to them. Did you see justice? The one man being given his human right of seeing by scientific means if he should be treated as a kid or as an adult? Human rights to animals? You know, maybe we should give out 900,000,000 guns in India. And a billion in China, oh and do not forget, to every Arab and middle eastern man and remember me in that handout process too. There are a few scores I would like to settle whilst I am playing my end game in this chaotic world we made.
01/05/2013 08:49:57 AM · #11
Originally posted by Flash:

<snip> and for the murdering of millions of innocent babies (pro choice). <snip>

Going down this path, are you?

Okay......and if this is your stance, no aborting the result of a pregnancy resulting from rape, right? Since you're going to take a woman's choice to be able to decide whether or not she wants to bring a baby into this world...

You've never made a life-changing mistake and been deprived of the chance to make it right because of someone else's rules, I take it.

Also.......if you don't have a good, responsible home for all the unwanted children that are already here, your stance is completely irresponsible.
01/06/2013 12:16:06 AM · #12
This is a viewing of an Indian problem through American eyes.

It quickly comes down to a question of guns and abortion. Those are American problems, not Indian ones.

In Deli last year there were 600 cases of rape reported and 1 solved. Deli's population is 16,753,235. New York has half the population and more than twice the reported rapes, with a rather low rate of 1 in 4 cases being closed.

The problem with rape in India is much worse than is reported, and in a culture that prizes virginity in women, it pretty much destroys a woman's life if she is not a virgin and not married. The horror of the current case was not just a rape, but a public rape that was seen by passers by as the bus passed through 4 police check points.

This time the population has had enough and it is time for a change in attitude in the justice system in India. In America rape is seen as a crime; there are shades that are harder to find the edges of with marital rape and date rape, but we clearly see it as a crime and the practitioners of forcible sex as criminals. The people who are raped are victims, and no one who is raped deserves to be raped, no matter how they dress or act. India is fighting for this to be true.
01/06/2013 03:54:14 AM · #13
BrennanOB, you are a wise man. Yes, one of the biggest mistakes we make, and I admit, is looking at others through our eyes. And yes, it is wrong. I must wonder sometimes how much value we place on our other-culture ignorance. For the one thing I am not convinced of is that we have a right to evaluate others as we evaluate ourselves. Our culture and values are not theirs and are not to be subjected to our judgement or fear or perceptions.

Thanks[user]BrennonOB[/user], you are a voice of reason.
01/08/2013 03:14:32 AM · #14
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Flash:

<snip> and for the murdering of millions of innocent babies (pro choice). <snip>

Going down this path, are you?

Okay......and if this is your stance, no aborting the result of a pregnancy resulting from rape, right? Since you're going to take a woman's choice to be able to decide whether or not she wants to bring a baby into this world...

You've never made a life-changing mistake and been deprived of the chance to make it right because of someone else's rules, I take it.

Also.......if you don't have a good, responsible home for all the unwanted children that are already here, your stance is completely irresponsible.


Murdering an innocent unborn baby is OK with you but allowing the rape victim access to a firearm is not as she might injure/kill the rapist. Got it. Criminal rapist safe - woman raped AND innocent unborn baby dead.

eta (shakes head in disbelief...)

Message edited by author 2013-01-08 03:27:16.
01/08/2013 05:33:38 AM · #15
Originally posted by Flash:


Murdering an innocent unborn baby is OK with you but allowing the rape victim access to a firearm is not as she might injure/kill the rapist. Got it. Criminal rapist safe - woman raped AND innocent unborn baby dead.

eta (shakes head in disbelief...)


C'mon Flash... I am sure that you are aware of the laws regarding murder and whether you like it or not, abortion does not meet that legal parameter. With regards to potential victims having access to firearms, you might want to peruse This. Concerning the rapist, when found guilty and sentenced to hang, their safety will have been temporary at best.

Ray
01/09/2013 12:11:52 AM · #16
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Flash:


Murdering an innocent unborn baby is OK with you but allowing the rape victim access to a firearm is not as she might injure/kill the rapist. Got it. Criminal rapist safe - woman raped AND innocent unborn baby dead.

eta (shakes head in disbelief...)


C'mon Flash... I am sure that you are aware of the laws regarding murder and whether you like it or not, abortion does not meet that legal parameter. With regards to potential victims having access to firearms, you might want to peruse This. Concerning the rapist, when found guilty and sentenced to hang, their safety will have been temporary at best.

Ray


Ray - I trust you know my point full well. Some posters are strongly opposed to firearms. They have recorded postings indicating their "concern" over the death of assailants, felons, innocent bystanders, family members and most recently the 20 children and 6 adults. IF their concern is about "death" then it is total hypocrisy to also ignore the millions of aborted babies each year. In other words...argue one's position against firearms and for gun control - but don't use the BS argument of death when they clearly ignore the deaths of innocent babies. Its just bullsh!t.

Further - There are "reasonable" steps to "enhance" existing gun laws - the problem is not with more laws but the evidence that suggests that those seeking more restrictions cannot be trusted to stop at a given point. The UK is an example. For years the restrictions on firearms has increased. Each time a public outcry after a lunatic does carnage, the result is further restrictions on ownership. The rate of carnage today is the same as it was before they enacted all the restrictions. The restrictions have had no effect on the rate. Proponents of gun control like to cite the difference of death rate between the US and the UK as evidence of the positive effect of gun ownership restrictions. The problem with that is they ignore the basic fact that the rate (although lower) hasn't gone down with the implementation of more and more restrictions. It begs the obvious question that if the rate was "X" and after essentially eliminating civilian ownership of firearms then the rate should be "<X" if the restrictions were effective. But the rate is still "X". Thus the restrictions have done nothing to reduce the rate. Hard reality but it is what it is. Same with CCW (or CPL) licensing. The opponents clamor and claim the sky is going to fall when civilians are licensed to carry handguns concealed. In every state that has adopted CCW permits, NONE have seen the carnage predicted by the opponents. NONE.

The demographic group most associated with gun violence is inner city gangs and drug related killings (simply pull 2012 homicides for Flint or Detroit). The millions of CCW holders who have passed training programs, extensive background checks, have their fingerprints on file, and must renew their licenses at specified intervals - are not part of that problem. To deny anyone the tools to secure their personal safety IF they see it as a measure they are willing to undertake (inclusive of the associated responsibilities), is wrong.
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