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06/28/2013 09:56:36 AM · #101
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Spork99:

You think it was just that post? that thread?

Of course not -- that's my point. Even after serving out a suspension for excess obstreperousness he continued to refuse repeated request to "tone it down" a bit.

My "job" here is to try and get people to follow site rules and policies, not to get on my knees and beg Mr. Strikeslip Fault to please pretty please with sugar on it follow the rules ... if he can't take a few barbs I'm not sure how he could justify his own assault of every forum thread he can find.

I didn't "do" a d****d thing to Mr. Slippy -- he chose to have a hissy fit (sorry, ladies) and go home. As far as I'm concerned, that's the ultimate proof that he was deliberately choosing to act outside of site guidelines, and that I was right to call him on it and to ask him (nicely at first, honest!) to desist.

As for the "spambot" issue -- I didn't even check the account he was quoting -- posting language challenging someone to a fight in the forums was enough for me, and that he was bumping a spam post instead of reporting it just provides grounds for issuing a separate citation. Again, I didn't "do" anything except ask him to stop doing stuff like that. I could have edited or hidden his post, however I believe in free speech, but also in taking responsibility for what you say, and saying it within whatever "rules" may be in effect, and he was not operating within those guidelines.

I didn't ask him to go -- that was 100% his choice.


No, of course he chose to go.

He was a member here for how long? And up until opening a second account, blatantly, to get banned. None of what he did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years...yet now you decided to go all gestapo and crack down. Under what? The guise of not turning off new members? I guess...if you consider spambots as "members".
06/28/2013 09:57:02 AM · #102
Originally posted by nygold:


Kind of like if you get a ticket from the cops you pull over, get the speech, receive a ticket, then move on. But if the cop follows you around for the next few week just waiting for you to cross the line it could get annoying.


+1
06/28/2013 10:12:17 AM · #103
Originally posted by Spork99:

None of what he did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years...yet now you decided to go all gestapo and crack down. Under what? The guise of not turning off new members?

Nonsense. Slippy has been warned and/or reprimanded many times, and none of what GeneralE did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years. Given the nature of Slip's antics it's hard to imagine that we've been anything BUT lenient with the guy. Blatant rule violations and multiple reported posts get SC attention no matter who you are, and habitual offenders should certainly expect frequent intervention. Kind of like if you get tickets from the cops three times a week for driving 60mph through a school zone and then complain of police harassment.
06/28/2013 10:13:17 AM · #104
How long will this thread last???LOL
06/28/2013 10:25:13 AM · #105
People, forget all this "he's the same person he was for years" stuff for a second and look at what's DIFFERENT this time:

1. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE told Strikeslip to pipe down in a public thread (same ol' same ol' so far, been going on for years).

2. Slippy started a thread calling out GeneralE and urging the community to "vote" on who should leave, he or GeneralE. ("Poll: Who goes, Strikeslip or GeneralE?")

3. THAT thread was locked, by a different SC (' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/3102.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/3102.gif', '/') + 1) . ' alanfreed) due to member complaints.

4. Subsequently Slippy asked to have his account terminated, and began acting out in such a way as to insure it happened.

Bottom line: Slippy's always been slippy, and as long as I can remember he'd lived his DPC life on the thin edge of acceptability (as per TOC), frequently crossing over and being warned as a consequence. He'd been suspended at least once for his behavior.

So, what changed? NOT the calling-out, that's for sure. So, evidently, slippy's willingness to put up with it finally evaporated, and he did himself in, very publicly and messily.

ETA: I see Neil's beaten me to it :-)
06/28/2013 10:26:37 AM · #106
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Spork99:

None of what he did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years...yet now you decided to go all gestapo and crack down. Under what? The guise of not turning off new members?

Nonsense. Slippy has been warned and/or reprimanded many times, and none of what GeneralE did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years. Given the nature of Slip's antics it's hard to imagine that we've been anything BUT lenient with the guy. Blatant rule violations and multiple reported posts get SC attention no matter who you are, and habitual offenders should certainly expect frequent intervention. Kind of like if you get tickets from the cops three times a week for driving 60mph through a school zone and then complain of police harassment.


thanks Shanon i wasn't aware, which is why i asked the question. It just seemed like recent activity since the comments were being made to him in public the past few weeks, we have no idea what happened behind the scenes.

its just strange seeing someone who has been as active as him for many years just snap and leave.
06/28/2013 10:33:52 AM · #107
Perhaps the reaction comes from the fact that, of all the obnoxious individuals who have trolled these forums, Slip always seemed to do it in a way that (as long as you were on his side for the most part) was on the edge but with some humor. Others failed to keep it in check, and failed to display the humor that could save them.

The "tragedy" if there be one is the fact that he went off the deep end, too far.
06/28/2013 10:43:09 AM · #108
Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Spork99:

None of what he did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years...yet now you decided to go all gestapo and crack down. Under what? The guise of not turning off new members?

Nonsense. Slippy has been warned and/or reprimanded many times, and none of what GeneralE did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years. Given the nature of Slip's antics it's hard to imagine that we've been anything BUT lenient with the guy. Blatant rule violations and multiple reported posts get SC attention no matter who you are, and habitual offenders should certainly expect frequent intervention. Kind of like if you get tickets from the cops three times a week for driving 60mph through a school zone and then complain of police harassment.


thanks Shanon i wasn't aware, which is why i asked the question. It just seemed like recent activity since the comments were being made to him in public the past few weeks, we have no idea what happened behind the scenes.

its just strange seeing someone who has been as active as him for many years just snap and leave.

It's not uncommon for comedians to "crack up". Both meanings of the phrase apply. They certainly cause us to laugh on occasion. But, the pressure to be "funny" can also cause the other kind of "crack up", which is what I think we just observed. Richard Pryor setting himself on fire comes to mind. Or, Lenny Bruce. Or, John Belushi. The visual analogy that comes to mind is that meteor that exploded over Russia a few months ago. It was awesome in flight... but ended in self-destruction.
06/28/2013 11:58:55 AM · #109
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Spork99:

None of what he did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years...yet now you decided to go all gestapo and crack down. Under what? The guise of not turning off new members?

Nonsense. Slippy has been warned and/or reprimanded many times, and none of what GeneralE did is out of line with what he'd been doing for years. Given the nature of Slip's antics it's hard to imagine that we've been anything BUT lenient with the guy. Blatant rule violations and multiple reported posts get SC attention no matter who you are, and habitual offenders should certainly expect frequent intervention. Kind of like if you get tickets from the cops three times a week for driving 60mph through a school zone and then complain of police harassment.


thanks Shanon i wasn't aware, which is why i asked the question. It just seemed like recent activity since the comments were being made to him in public the past few weeks, we have no idea what happened behind the scenes.

its just strange seeing someone who has been as active as him for many years just snap and leave.

It's not uncommon for comedians to "crack up". Both meanings of the phrase apply. They certainly cause us to laugh on occasion. But, the pressure to be "funny" can also cause the other kind of "crack up", which is what I think we just observed. Richard Pryor setting himself on fire comes to mind. Or, Lenny Bruce. Or, John Belushi. The visual analogy that comes to mind is that meteor that exploded over Russia a few months ago. It was awesome in flight... but ended in self-destruction.


Puhleeze... Slippy is a goofball, but saying he went out in the same way a bunch of drug addicts did is beyond the pale, even for you.

Guess you decided since he's not here to make you look like a humorless ass, you'd give him one last kick.
06/28/2013 12:01:27 PM · #110
I for one liked Slippy. I really hate to see him go. I think some of his best work has appeared over the past few months. (Horse Porn) He's one of the few I see in here that really knows how to use HDR. If you want my lowest vote..... pour on too much HDR. But he knew how to pour it on and still make it look good. (funny) But in a way it will be a relief. That young photo he was rocking in his profile was starting to get on my nerves........ LOL Cheers Slippy! I'd love to see a StrikeSlip challenge in the near future. :)
06/29/2013 07:47:29 AM · #111
Originally posted by Erastus:

I'd love to see a StrikeSlip challenge in the near future. :)

It would have to be Minimal, and you'd be DQed if you didn't violate the ruleset in at least five ways.
06/30/2013 06:54:36 AM · #112
If anything, this whole debacle points out the unbelievable need for SC to get new blood. Period.
06/30/2013 08:33:13 AM · #113
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

... SC to get new blood. Period.

Nicely phrased.
06/30/2013 10:10:13 AM · #114
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

If anything, this whole debacle points out the unbelievable need for SC to get new blood. Period.


i don't know. i think they do a good job. im happy with their job of validating entries and the board moderation is a tough job i wouldn't say new blood would be any more effective.
06/30/2013 10:12:17 AM · #115
Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

If anything, this whole debacle points out the unbelievable need for SC to get new blood. Period.


i don't know. i think they do a good job. im happy with their job of validating entries and the board moderation is a tough job i wouldn't say new blood would be any more effective.

Might be useful to see new blood upholding the same standards, so folks could realize it's not arbitrary with a given individual?
06/30/2013 10:25:38 AM · #116
term limits seems like such a sensible idea. keep blood/things/perspective fresh.
06/30/2013 10:43:05 AM · #117
Originally posted by FourPointX:

term limits seems like such a sensible idea. keep blood/things/perspective fresh.


... which on occasion can lead to confusion, lack of cohesion and misunderstanding.

I seem to recall that a fair amount of new blood was infused in the system a while back, and unless I am very much mistaken, very little has been heard from a very good portion of these individuals.

Dedication, commitment and a willingness to interact with the user community would seem to the traits being sought and I would argue that those very traits prevail in the SC we currently have.

While it is true that Slippy is gone, that is something that he himself initiated.

Just another man's view.

Ray
06/30/2013 12:39:03 PM · #118
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

If anything, this whole debacle points out the unbelievable need for SC to get new blood. Period.


Put that on the list of DPC improvements/changes for Langdon...
06/30/2013 12:41:20 PM · #119
slippy's turned into quite the martyr.
06/30/2013 02:26:22 PM · #120
Originally posted by RayEthier:

I seem to recall that a fair amount of new blood was infused in the system a while back, and unless I am very much mistaken, very little has been heard from a very good portion of these individuals.

That was 8-9 years ago...
06/30/2013 03:57:59 PM · #121
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by FourPointX:

term limits seems like such a sensible idea. keep blood/things/perspective fresh.


... which on occasion can lead to confusion, lack of cohesion and misunderstanding.

All the elements of a good democracy.
06/30/2013 04:44:44 PM · #122
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I seem to recall that a fair amount of new blood was infused in the system a while back, and unless I am very much mistaken, very little has been heard from a very good portion of these individuals.

That was 8-9 years ago...


It may very well be that I am mistaken on this one my friend, but since I only registered on this site in 2004 I would hazard a guess that it was NOT that long ago.

... and I still stand by my comment that we have not heard much from quite a few of the new appointees since then.

Ray
06/30/2013 04:45:35 PM · #123
Originally posted by tome:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by FourPointX:

term limits seems like such a sensible idea. keep blood/things/perspective fresh.


... which on occasion can lead to confusion, lack of cohesion and misunderstanding.

All the elements of a good democracy.


... and I would counter that the word "good" would be somewhat misplaced in such a scenario.

Ray
06/30/2013 04:49:40 PM · #124
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by tome:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by FourPointX:

term limits seems like such a sensible idea. keep blood/things/perspective fresh.


... which on occasion can lead to confusion, lack of cohesion and misunderstanding.

All the elements of a good democracy.


... and I would counter that the word "good" would be somewhat misplaced in such a scenario.

Ray


I would counter counter that confusion, lack of cohesion and misunderstanding are the human condition, and that a democracy is good that can allow itself to show this.
06/30/2013 05:11:58 PM · #125
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I seem to recall that a fair amount of new blood was infused in the system a while back, and unless I am very much mistaken, very little has been heard from a very good portion of these individuals.

That was 8-9 years ago...


It may very well be that I am mistaken on this one my friend, but since I only registered on this site in 2004 I would hazard a guess that it was NOT that long ago.

... and I still stand by my comment that we have not heard much from quite a few of the new appointees since then.

Ray

I joined in 2004 as well, Dec 23rd I think. First call for applicants to SC was in winter, 2005. Second call, if memory serves me, was in 2006, certainly by 2007. There have been no changes since. It's true that some of the SC are seldom heard from, most of them in fact, but I suppose this doesn't necessarily mean they are not DOING anything behind the scenes.

I'm with you, though; I think a site thrives better when its admins are active, visible community members. FWIW, here's some raw information gleaned from profiles:

We have 13 SC: two of them joined the site in 2004, two in 2003, and the rest in 2002, the first year.

Of the 13, the ones that are visibly "active" in DPC, making their presence known to the membership through the forums, are ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/17203.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/17203.gif', '/') + 1) . ' scalvert, and ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/12253.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/12253.gif', '/') + 1) . ' neil. These are the 3 who are the "face of DPC" for we members.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/7711.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/7711.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Frisca, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/3102.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/3102.gif', '/') + 1) . ' alanfreed, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Karmat and ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/749.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/749.gif', '/') + 1) . ' manic show up irregularly, but we "know" them from their presence, a little bit.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/2170.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/2170.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Muckpond, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/2780.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/2780.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Konador, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1717.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1717.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Sher, ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/29009.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/29009.gif', '/') + 1) . ' L2 and ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1054.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1054.gif', '/') + 1) . ' ClubJuggle haven't posted in a LONG time, some of them for more than 4 years.

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/327.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/327.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Justine has never posted to the forums.

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