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10/23/2013 02:38:28 AM · #1
So... Let's just have a break down of some scores... I found this VERY interesting.

Place #1's #2's #3's #4's
1st - - - -
2nd - 1 - 1
3rd - - - 2
4th - - 1 2
5th - - - 4
6th - - - 6
7th - 1 - 4
8th - - 1 3
9th - - - 7
10th - - - 4

Not only was there not a single 1 vote in the top ten, there were only three 1's and five 2's given in the entire top twenty entries.

Place #1's #2's #3's #4's
11th 1 - 1 5
12th - - 2 3
13th - - 1 1
14th 1 - 1 7
15th - - 3 4
16th - - 3 3
17th 1 2 - 4
18th - - - 8
19th - - 1 5
20th - 1 1 10

..
So, did the exercise of articulating a comment on all votes actually cause everyone to give out higher scores? (I certainly didn't... In fact I gave out two 1 votes, when often I won't even give out one, and the overall average was below my usual as well)

Or, were people afraid to give out low votes, thinking it would make them look like total Scrooges?

Something else perhaps?? Surely this hasn't ever happened before.

Message edited by author 2013-10-23 03:19:04.
10/23/2013 02:45:25 AM · #2
I'm absolutely enthralled by it all.
10/23/2013 03:52:16 AM · #3
I don't think it had anything to do with the side challenge of commenting.

I believe the real reason is based on this thread

This has happened before, certainly after that thread I have seen a slow demise of the 1 and 2 vote.

I will dig out some stats!
10/23/2013 03:57:49 AM · #4
Originally posted by Stagolee:

I don't think it had anything to do with the side challenge of commenting.

I believe the real reason is based on this thread

This has happened before, certainly after that thread I have seen a slow demise of the 1 and 2 vote.

I will dig out some stats!


Really? I went up to the 50's places, and there are almost no 1's at all...

I want stats. Please do!
10/23/2013 04:10:21 AM · #5
There is a 1 on the 53rd place entry - thanks tnun:)
10/23/2013 04:13:46 AM · #6
Originally posted by Cory:



Place #1's #2's #3's #4's
1st - - - -
2nd - 1 - 1
3rd - - - 2
4th - - 1 2
5th - - - 4
6th - - - 6
7th - 1 - 4
8th - - 1 3
9th - - - 7
10th - - - 4



Place #1's #2's #3's #4's
11th 1 - 1 5
12th - - 2 3
13th - - 1 1
14th 1 - 1 7
15th - - 3 4
16th - - 3 3
17th 1 2 - 4
18th - - - 8
19th - - 1 5
20th - 1 1 10



August 2013 Free Study, Voting coincided with that thread!


Place #1's #2's #3's #4's
1st - - - -
2nd - - 1 -
3rd - - - -
4th - - 1 2
5th - - 1 4
6th - - 1 4
7th - - - 3
8th - 1 1 -
9th - 1 - 5
10th - - 1 4



Place #1's #2's #3's #4's
11th - - - 5
12th - - - 5
13th - - - 4
14th - - - 1
15th - - - 5
16th - - - 2
17th - 1 1 4
18th - - - 7
19th - 1 - 1
20th - - - 3


Now go back to the July free study or any challenge pre that thread?
10/23/2013 04:38:17 AM · #7
Top 20. There is a definite trend away from the low votes which I feel had a lot to do with that thread.

August Free Study
1s - 0
2s - 4
3s - 7
4s - 59

July Free Study
1s - 1
2s - 5
3s - 28
4s - 74
10/23/2013 04:49:09 AM · #8
How can you compare a FS with a regular challenge?
10/23/2013 05:08:07 AM · #9
Originally posted by Alexkc:

How can you compare a FS with a regular challenge?


Easy, I just did it! :)

The weekly challenges are also hard to compare because the interpretation of the challenge description is too much of a variable.
10/23/2013 06:01:48 AM · #10
Originally posted by Stagolee:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

How can you compare a FS with a regular challenge?


Easy, I just did it! :)

The weekly challenges are also hard to compare because the interpretation of the challenge description is too much of a variable.


FS have more participants and being the best of month have a better average quality. And still you can frequently find 1s and 2s.
10/23/2013 06:34:55 AM · #11
Here are the top 20 stats from two comparable weekly challenges.

One is a few months before the admin announcement and one is just after the announcement. You can read whatever you want into it!

Shapes V Date: Sep 11, 2013
1s 0
2s 4
3s 10
4s 77

Fill the Frame IV Date: May 22, 2013
1s - 12
2s - 21
3s - 61
4s - 116
10/23/2013 06:53:31 AM · #12
If only there were a way to stop the inevitable precipitous drop on the final day of voting, too.
10/23/2013 07:11:47 AM · #13
Originally posted by Stagolee:

Here are the top 20 stats from two comparable weekly challenges.

One is a few months before the admin announcement and one is just after the announcement. You can read whatever you want into it!

Shapes V Date: Sep 11, 2013
1s 0
2s 4
3s 10
4s 77

Fill the Frame IV Date: May 22, 2013
1s - 12
2s - 21
3s - 61
4s - 116

You have to put this in perspective:

Shapes V, 79 entries, 6063 votes
Frame IV, 124 entries, 14.982 votes

You'll see a difference, but not as big as it seems at first look!
10/23/2013 07:15:18 AM · #14
Originally posted by jagar:

I'm absolutely enthralled by it all.


tsk - you'll sour the popcorn
10/23/2013 08:06:58 AM · #15
Originally posted by Kroburg:

Originally posted by Stagolee:

Here are the top 20 stats from two comparable weekly challenges.

Shapes V Date: Sep 11, 2013
1s 0
2s 4
3s 10
4s 77

Fill the Frame IV Date: May 22, 2013
1s - 12
2s - 21
3s - 61
4s - 116

You have to put this in perspective:

Shapes V, 79 entries, 6063 votes
Frame IV, 124 entries, 14.982 votes

You'll see a difference, but not as big as it seems at first look!


Everyday Objects II Date: Jul 28, 2013

1s - 4
2s - 18
3s - 46
4s 105

63 entries, 5196 votes

Another challenge and keeping in mind the number of votes, you'll see a bigger difference! Like any stats read what you want :)

Message edited by author 2013-10-23 08:08:49.
10/23/2013 08:43:34 AM · #16
Originally posted by Stagolee:

...I believe the real reason is based on this thread
...

I find that hard to believe, unless many more folks are trying to help their scores through iffy voting than were caught.
10/23/2013 11:40:29 AM · #17
In any case, this is really quite interesting. There certainly does seem to be a trend away from the 1 votes in the last few months doesn't there?

Still... The entire challenge seems devoid of 1's, like I said - all the way into the 50's places.
10/23/2013 12:05:26 PM · #18
Originally posted by jagar:

I'm absolutely enthralled by it all.


Me too,I,m taking a two week vacation too try and take it all in.
10/24/2013 03:50:55 AM · #19
I think we need much, MUCH more in-depth analysis on voting. It's the second least discussed issue (behind commenting). What we need is a voting Task Force. I'm going to go look for a Government grant for this - I'm confident there is one.
10/24/2013 05:58:02 AM · #20
I will give you a week of my life if what I have to say does not improve the situation of low-scores: Show Who Voted What!

Voting is done as now, so called smothered and cooked in a thick sauce of anonymity. THEN, as with paper-hatters and comments, once the challenge is done, every one should be able to see who voted what. Like click on the 1 and have a drop down list of 1 voters. The challenge is over and that info is available. Just make it an easy drop-down with names..... Possible?

10/24/2013 06:33:25 AM · #21
Originally posted by docpjv:


Voting is done as now, so called smothered and cooked in a thick sauce of anonymity. THEN, as with paper-hatters and comments, once the challenge is done, every one should be able to see who voted what. Like click on the 1 and have a drop down list of 1 voters. The challenge is over and that info is available. Just make it an easy drop-down with names..... Possible?


I personally would have no problems with that, but then again I used to be a crusty S/Sgt who really did not give a rat's behind about what others thought of me...if I did I would have become an officer.

Most people don't care for any form of confrontation and with the proposal made here, we might just as well get rid of the scores between 1 and 4 since most folks would have to justify these.

Funny how no one clamours about the higher end score... do we honestly believe all of those are justified.

I can speak for no one else, but can assure you that I have no problems doling out a 1 score if I feel such a score is warranted and really don't care who knows about it... but I do believe others might not share my views about this disclosure.

Ray
10/24/2013 07:45:36 AM · #22
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by docpjv:


Voting is done as now, so called smothered and cooked in a thick sauce of anonymity. THEN, as with paper-hatters and comments, once the challenge is done, every one should be able to see who voted what. Like click on the 1 and have a drop down list of 1 voters. The challenge is over and that info is available. Just make it an easy drop-down with names..... Possible?


I personally would have no problems with that, but then again I used to be a crusty S/Sgt who really did not give a rat's behind about what others thought of me...if I did I would have become an officer.

Most people don't care for any form of confrontation and with the proposal made here, we might just as well get rid of the scores between 1 and 4 since most folks would have to justify these.

Funny how no one clamours about the higher end score... do we honestly believe all of those are justified.

I can speak for no one else, but can assure you that I have no problems doling out a 1 score if I feel such a score is warranted and really don't care who knows about it... but I do believe others might not share my views about this disclosure.

Ray


Friend, I agree but you are, well, you. How many sound thinking people are out there? I propose the drop-downs for ALL scores, as you say, who says what is right. I hope to see, not confrontation, but discussion and feedback. I also do not think it is for justification, but for communication and learning. And anyone will be quick to spot 'funny' voting trends and relationships.

Please give drop down names a go, even just for a few months as an experiment?
10/24/2013 07:56:38 AM · #23
Drop down scores for me would be interesting. Not sure how much I would use them though, as I suspect after seeing the same names (likely? Unlikely?) a few times, it will lose its interest.
10/24/2013 11:34:32 AM · #24
Originally posted by docpjv:

I hope to see, not confrontation, but discussion and feedback.


but confrontation is mostly what you will see if you out the 1 voters. I would gladly let people see my scores, but I don't want to force that same transparency on everyone. We have too much conformity as it is, I don't want to add more pressure to conform by exposing non-conformists.
10/24/2013 11:53:51 AM · #25
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by docpjv:


Voting is done as now, so called smothered and cooked in a thick sauce of anonymity. THEN, as with paper-hatters and comments, once the challenge is done, every one should be able to see who voted what. Like click on the 1 and have a drop down list of 1 voters. The challenge is over and that info is available. Just make it an easy drop-down with names..... Possible?


I personally would have no problems with that, but then again I used to be a crusty S/Sgt who really did not give a rat's behind about what others thought of me...if I did I would have become an officer.

Most people don't care for any form of confrontation and with the proposal made here, we might just as well get rid of the scores between 1 and 4 since most folks would have to justify these.

Funny how no one clamours about the higher end score... do we honestly believe all of those are justified.

I can speak for no one else, but can assure you that I have no problems doling out a 1 score if I feel such a score is warranted and really don't care who knows about it... but I do believe others might not share my views about this disclosure.

Ray

+1

Actually, for me I might even toss out a few more 1-4 votes just to get a reaction. How fun would that be?! :-D
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