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04/13/2014 09:15:35 AM · #1
Originally posted by Ann:

I am wondering why people are trying to push someone who has stated she wants to shoot birds into a full frame camera? If you've never shot birds, you'd be shocked at how small and far away they are. With a APS-C sensor, there are a number of $1-2000 lens/teleconverter combos that will get her close enough to the birds to do something useful. 100-400, 300/4 with 1.4xTC, etc. Heck, even a lowly 70-300 can be used in a pinch. To get that kind of reach with FF, the price for the lenses quadruples.


I do understand what you're saying Ann, and I agree to at least some degree.

However, with that being said, image quality is king in my book, and the 5D / 1D series deliver quality that I've never seen in a crop-sensor body. (of course, the same can be said for the results from a medium format Phase One vs. DSLRs as well...)

In the end, a used 5D might be a little too old for her, but maybe not - the 6D is a steal, and a used 1DmkIII can be bought pretty reasonably as well.

Again, I mention these bodies because, to me, image quality matters more than any other single factor.

Speaking of lenses, as you mention, it's funny you took it the direction you did, because for me the exact opposite is true, my 1D/5D tends to deal with lower quality glass FAR FAR better than a high pixel density body like the 7D will, larger photosites equal better quality and a somewhat lowered need for amazingly fine glass.

In the end, I'm sure she'll be happy with whatever she gets, but I suspect eventually she'll desire full frame or a 1D series body, especially if she ever gets to borrow or use one for a bit.
04/12/2014 11:59:02 PM · #2
In general I'm happy with my 7D. The noise issue is present in almost all examples of this model. If I were to upgrade, I would go to the 6D then at a higher cost, the 5d III. The full frame models pretty much eliminate the noise problem and with their larger sensors are quite capable of producing nice images without the (zoom)benefit that is received from crop sensor models. We all covet the fastest frames/sec rate, most focus points, fastest tracking but what it really comes down to is how do the pictures look. There's a reason why full frame cameras cost more. They produce better images.
04/11/2014 09:35:37 PM · #3
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:

Originally posted by Mike:

wasn't that problem tied to jpg conversion?


As far as I know its not inherent to the jpg alone. From talking with ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Denise who has been dealing with this issue for over a year with canon and has sent her camera back a multitude of times for Canon to fix it, it happens with both the Raw files and the jpg files as well.

Here is another comparision of the cameras (7D vs. 70D) for you as well:
//snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-70D-vs-Canon_EOS_7D

Breaks down all the features very well for you


I too know about Denise's problem with her 7D and I know Wendy has a problem with hers as well. This past fall when we were in Vermont with Wendy, PennyClick n Bear they talked about it quite a bit, Wendy even tried several lens n camera combinations to duplicate the problem to see if it was her or the camera. Wendy accepts the noise as stated earlier...Denise sent hers in 3 times and has given up and bought a 5D 3 different camera (canon)...it is an issue and whether you get a good one/acceptable one/bad unit is a risk I wouldn't support for Kim.

Thank you one n all for your knowledge and input in to this...I really appreciate it!!!
04/11/2014 03:08:56 PM · #4
Originally posted by Mike:

wasn't that problem tied to jpg conversion?


As far as I know its not inherent to the jpg alone. From talking with ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Denise who has been dealing with this issue for over a year with canon and has sent her camera back a multitude of times for Canon to fix it, it happens with both the Raw files and the jpg files as well.

Here is another comparision of the cameras (7D vs. 70D) for you as well:
//snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-70D-vs-Canon_EOS_7D

Breaks down all the features very well for you
04/11/2014 02:52:48 PM · #5
I am wondering why people are trying to push someone who has stated she wants to shoot birds into a full frame camera? If you've never shot birds, you'd be shocked at how small and far away they are. With a APS-C sensor, there are a number of $1-2000 lens/teleconverter combos that will get her close enough to the birds to do something useful. 100-400, 300/4 with 1.4xTC, etc. Heck, even a lowly 70-300 can be used in a pinch. To get that kind of reach with FF, the price for the lenses quadruples.
04/11/2014 02:43:39 PM · #6
Wendy that is very good comparison, seems there is little difference between the two. Where as this morning I was looking at the comparison between the 60D and 70D, I now am looking at the comparison between the 7D and 70D. Although I still have to fit it in the budget.

I see what you are saying Rich on the noise issue, which does seem to be issue. Its a very valid point regarding wondering if its something I am doing wrong or if its the camera. I have already had that issue and it is very frustrating.
04/11/2014 02:22:18 PM · #7
wasn't that problem tied to jpg conversion?
04/11/2014 02:08:15 PM · #8
Originally posted by Mike:


i frequent the Canon forums daily for almost the last 4 yrs and I have never heard of this problem.


Not that I am trying to argue the point but just so Kimberly gets the best camera possible.

You don't have to even go to the canon forums to see it, you have people talking about it in this very thread along with other threads on this website and there are a lot more people writing on these boards than the canon ones IMO.

Here are 2 I found just by searching our forums for "7d noise"

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1179694&highlight=7d%20noise

and

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1220611&highlight=7d%20noise

Again, not that I am trying to argue with you or anyone else. But there have been enough people complaining about noise that I wouldn't be comfortable with purchasing one and I wouldn't recommend a new photographer purchasing one that may end up being a bad copy and have to guess whether its something she did or something inherent in the camera.

I had a 20d that had a auto focus issue and it was the most frustration thing ever because you never knew if it was something you or the camera.

Just my opinion, been wrong plenty of times. Could be this time as well.
04/11/2014 01:16:23 PM · #9
Interesting comparison between 7d and 70d

70d vs 7d
04/11/2014 01:13:53 PM · #10
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by KMcC:

The 7D may be a little over my budget. Especially since I want to look into lenses next.

Maybe not... I had to do some digging to remember where I saw it, but 6ave via eBay has the 7D for $970 shipped. For anything other than video, I'd take a 7D over any of the X0D series. The autofocus and frame rate would be particularly useful for birding. Another minor point is that the 7D uses the same type of memory card you already have for the Rebel XT, while the 60D and 70D both use SD cards.


The main issue with the 7D is the noise problem that some of them have. Its an inherent manufacturing issue that canon hasn't remedied in this model. Some have the issue some do not. I know Wendy and Denise have both had bad copies and I have seen other threads on this website complaining of this and other people on other websites complaining about it as well.

Here is just a single thread of many people complaining about the problem
//marvelsfilm.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/canon-7d-pattern-noise-at-low-iso-problem/

Just my opinion but I would stay as far away on them as possible. Unless you can try it out before buying and verify that its is a good copy.


i frequent the Canon forums daily for almost the last 4 yrs and I have never heard of this problem.
04/11/2014 01:07:08 PM · #11
I hate the noise on my 7d, but absolutely love the rest of it. Never compared it to the 70d, but would take 7d over 60d any day - even with noise.
04/11/2014 01:05:52 PM · #12
Adorama has a refurb 7d for $939
//m.adorama.com/newui/search.aspx?sku=ICA7DR&MerchantOverride=ADORAMA&MerchantData=2014013015410677563

(Sorry about the link, phone's giving me problems.
04/11/2014 01:02:03 PM · #13
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by KMcC:

The 7D may be a little over my budget. Especially since I want to look into lenses next.

Maybe not... I had to do some digging to remember where I saw it, but 6ave via eBay has the 7D for $970 shipped. For anything other than video, I'd take a 7D over any of the X0D series. The autofocus and frame rate would be particularly useful for birding. Another minor point is that the 7D uses the same type of memory card you already have for the Rebel XT, while the 60D and 70D both use SD cards.


The main issue with the 7D is the noise problem that some of them have. Its an inherent manufacturing issue that canon hasn't remedied in this model. Some have the issue some do not. I know Wendy and Denise have both had bad copies and I have seen other threads on this website complaining of this and other people on other websites complaining about it as well.

Here is just a single thread of many people complaining about the problem
//marvelsfilm.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/canon-7d-pattern-noise-at-low-iso-problem/

Just my opinion but I would stay as far away on them as possible. Unless you can try it out before buying and verify that its is a good copy.
04/11/2014 12:46:09 PM · #14
Originally posted by KMcC:

The 7D may be a little over my budget. Especially since I want to look into lenses next.

Maybe not... I had to do some digging to remember where I saw it, but 6ave via eBay has the 7D for $970 shipped. For anything other than video, I'd take a 7D over any of the X0D series. The autofocus and frame rate would be particularly useful for birding. Another minor point is that the 7D uses the same type of memory card you already have for the Rebel XT, while the 60D and 70D both use SD cards.

Message edited by author 2014-04-11 12:50:34.
04/11/2014 11:47:02 AM · #15
Originally posted by vawendy:



Plus, the lack of pop up flash on the 60d would bug the heck out of me. You should never us it anyway, but sometimes I want the shot and Dont have other options. My fence shot was with onboard flash


since when doesn't the 60D have a pop up flash?
04/11/2014 11:22:46 AM · #16
I'll simplify for you: if you have the money for a 70D and you do not plan to upgrade your glass soon then buy the newest - 70D. If you are on budget and you need or just want better glass buy the 60D. Either is fine and both are an upgrade.

T
04/11/2014 11:18:16 AM · #17
Very good points Wendy. Should be going to store today.
04/11/2014 10:08:30 AM · #18
The faster fps and the 19 focus points vs the 9 makes it worth it to me.

I'd still talk to a camera store to see what they say, but faster frames per second is definitely better for wildlife. And the 19 focus points and focus zones are great for birds in flight.

Plus, the lack of pop up flash on the 60d would bug the heck out of me. You should never us it anyway, but sometimes I want the shot and Dont have other options. My fence shot was with onboard flash
04/11/2014 10:02:27 AM · #19
OK, well here I go again, maybe the 70D...
04/11/2014 09:20:49 AM · #20
It seems that the 60D is the better buy for me, if I like the fit. The 70D if I did more video which currently I don't. Thanx for the info on the lens!
04/11/2014 12:35:45 AM · #21
And so far as a very sharp (relatively) cheap long lens, think of the 300mm F4. It's a native equivalent of 450mm, and you can run a 1.4 converter on it if need be.
04/10/2014 10:26:53 PM · #22
get the 70D only if video is important, otherwise the extra funds really aren't worth it.
04/10/2014 09:20:26 PM · #23
+1 60d

I just bought one with <100 shutters for $450. Photo studio bought it as a backup, never used it.
04/10/2014 07:19:13 PM · #24
60D and save money for lenses.
04/10/2014 03:04:00 PM · #25
Hi Kimberly,

I would recommmend the 70D over the 60D. The 70D supports in camera HDR which is
a big plus for landscape photos. It has a faster shutter mechanism for less delay
between you pressing the shutter and it taking the photo and has more auto focusing
points.

Along with the faster shooting (Frames Per Second) which is better for wildlife
photos. I would definately push you to spend the few extra dollars for the 70D
and take advantage of these upgraded features of the new body.

But in the end the choice is yours and either camera will do very well for you.
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