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05/08/2014 07:16:25 AM · #1
Very, very sad!

//edition.cnn.com/2014/05/07/us/texas-police-shoot-elderly-woman-93/
05/08/2014 08:21:43 AM · #2
Originally posted by Kroburg:

Very, very sad!

//edition.cnn.com/2014/05/07/us/texas-police-shoot-elderly-woman-93/


Very sad indeed. And the comments could be straight from a DPC gun rant thread...
05/08/2014 09:26:58 AM · #3
no adequate words
05/08/2014 10:33:57 AM · #4
it is sad, however when a police officer ask you to drop your weapon, you better do it. I don't care how old you are or who you are, if you dont drop that weapon when asked/told your not going to like to outcome. Could this one have been handled differently, of course, but don't condemn him with out knowing the entire situation when none of us know because its still under investigation.

I have a cop friend who was shot twice because the bad guy (robbery in progress) did not drop his gun when told to do so, he continued to tell bad guy to drop the gun about 10 times, but bad guy decided to shoot my friend instead before my friend could take action. Bad guy still on the lose. My friend survived and is still on the force.

the other one with the kid is very sad indeed and is a case of irresponsible gun ownership, never get that confused with legal responsible gun owners who are trained and know how to properly and safely handle a weapon.

Its amazing that people no longer care or voice outrage about people being killed by drunk drivers, knives, fist, feet & clubs.
05/08/2014 10:49:31 AM · #5
Of course, in New Mexico, the police shoot first ask questions later, maybe that's better?
05/08/2014 11:53:10 AM · #6
My first thought was: "seriously??? You needed to shoot a 93 year old woman? Something's wrong with you."

Then I remembered someone I knew suffering from dementia, and attacking people with her walker. Completely in the paranoid stage of dementia during that particular incident, there was no reasoning with her.

We don't know the whole story. All I know is that it's incredibly sad for everyone involved.
05/08/2014 11:54:11 AM · #7
However, the uncle shooting the kid is such a stupid waste. Whatever happened to survival of the fittest? The fittest didn't survive in that case. Any idiot should know not to point a weapon at someone.
05/08/2014 12:58:45 PM · #8
Originally posted by jab119:

it is sad, however when a police officer ask you to drop your weapon, you better do it. I don't care how old you are or who you are, if you dont drop that weapon when asked/told your not going to like to outcome. Could this one have been handled differently, of course, but don't condemn him with out knowing the entire situation when none of us know because its still under investigation.

I agree that if an officer tells you to drop the weapon and you had better drop it or prepare to be shot. I do not condemn an office for shooting someone that is brandishing a weapon and refuses to drop it. However, I believe we should make it much harder for people to get access to guns in this country. There are far too many stories of people killed because someone that has mental issues, anger issues, suicidal thoughts, etc. has easy access to a gun. I realize there are people that are responsible gun owners, people who's lives have been saved by guns in the hands of regular citizens, and people that get enjoyment out of the responsible use of guns in hunting and sport shooting. But, I believe the harm guns do far outweighs all the good / benefits legal gun ownership might provide. They could outlaws all guns as far as I am concerned.

Originally posted by jab119:

Its amazing that people no longer care or voice outrage about people being killed by drunk drivers, knives, fist, feet & clubs.

Plenty of folks are outraged about people killed by drunk drivers, and I think this has helped change how our society views drunk driving and this has significantly reduced drunk driving deaths. As far as death by knives, fist, feet & clubs goes, the total death toll by these methods is completely dwarfed by deaths caused by guns.
05/08/2014 02:18:26 PM · #9
Originally posted by markwiley:


Plenty of folks are outraged about people killed by drunk drivers, and I think this has helped change how our society views drunk driving and this has significantly reduced drunk driving deaths. As far as death by knives, fist, feet & clubs goes, the total death toll by these methods is completely dwarfed by deaths caused by guns.


Really, here are some stats for just the first 5 months of 2014, up to today

Murder by gun: 4015
Drunk Driving: 11811
05/08/2014 02:29:44 PM · #10
So almost a thousand people per month being killed by guns is "OK" ...?

The two problems are not comparable ... taking away every gun in the country would have a far different effect on society and the economy than taking away every automobile or all alcohol ...
05/08/2014 03:13:58 PM · #11
Originally posted by jab119:

[quote=markwiley]

Really, here are some stats for just the first 5 months of 2014, up to today

Murder by gun: 4015
Drunk Driving: 11811


I honestly thought you had got the road deaths by drink-driving massively over inflated, but a quick check shows they are right. I am astounded - here is a comparison of the rates per capita with the UK:

US - 10,322 deaths (2012) / population of 313,900,000 is 3.288 deaths per 100,000
UK - 280 deaths (2012) / population of 63,705,000 is 0.439 deaths per 100,000

Murder rate comparisons are quite interesting, too:

US - 4.8 murders per 100,000 with firearm homicides 3.6 per 100,000
UK - 1.2 murders per 100,000 with firearm homicides 0.04 per 100,000

So the rate for non gun related murders (stabbing, fighting, poisoning, etc) is pretty close for both countries - so it would suggest that the absence of guns doesn't mean that people find other ways to kill each other.
05/08/2014 03:19:30 PM · #12
Originally posted by jab119:

Originally posted by markwiley:


Plenty of folks are outraged about people killed by drunk drivers, and I think this has helped change how our society views drunk driving and this has significantly reduced drunk driving deaths. As far as death by knives, fist, feet & clubs goes, the total death toll by these methods is completely dwarfed by deaths caused by guns.


Really, here are some stats for just the first 5 months of 2014, up to today

Murder by gun: 4015
Drunk Driving: 11811


I suspect that no statistics for 2014 are really available. I suspect this is just an estimate. Since this post is in Personal Life forum I guess it doesn't really need to be booted to the RANT forum. But if too many pro-gun posts appear I suspect it can be moved. I vote that we move it right now.
05/08/2014 03:20:43 PM · #13
Guns don't kill people; people do.
05/08/2014 03:37:37 PM · #14
Originally posted by TrollMan:

Guns don't kill people; people do.

Nuclear weapons don't kill people; people kill people... therefore everyone should have easy access to nuclear weapons.
05/08/2014 03:47:46 PM · #15
Originally posted by Erastus:


But if too many pro-gun posts appear I suspect it can be moved. I vote that we move it right now.


I'm not going to get into the pro-gun/anti-gun argument (like the death penalty, I see and understand both sides of the argument), but you say it can be moved if too many pro-gun posts appear. Should it not be moved if the preponderance of posts are anti-gun? I know you voted to move it now, and I agree, but I don't understand why your initial reaction was to move it if too many pro-gun posts are made.
05/08/2014 03:48:37 PM · #16
Originally posted by TrollMan:

Guns don't kill people; people do.

People with guns kill people. People without guns, not so often.
05/08/2014 03:50:19 PM · #17
Originally posted by scalvert:


Nuclear weapons don't kill people; people kill people... therefore everyone should have easy access to nuclear weapons.


that's typical response I hear a lot when people dont like the truth

Message edited by author 2014-05-08 15:50:38.
05/08/2014 03:51:31 PM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Guns don't kill people; people do.

People with guns kill people. People without guns, not so often.


actually more people are killed by people with out guns than with guns, check the stats
05/08/2014 03:53:49 PM · #19
Originally posted by jab119:


actually more people are killed by people with out guns than with guns, check the stats


Not according to the FBI
05/08/2014 03:59:11 PM · #20
Originally posted by SaraR:

Originally posted by jab119:


actually more people are killed by people with out guns than with guns, check the stats


Not according to the FBI


It's a shame poison has fallen so far out of favour these days. That's a real gentleman's murder weapon. Personally, i tend to agree with Batman that guns are a cowards weapon of choice and would use a grappling hook myself.
05/08/2014 04:09:40 PM · #21
Originally posted by jab119:

Originally posted by markwiley:


Plenty of folks are outraged about people killed by drunk drivers, and I think this has helped change how our society views drunk driving and this has significantly reduced drunk driving deaths. As far as death by knives, fist, feet & clubs goes, the total death toll by these methods is completely dwarfed by deaths caused by guns.


Really, here are some stats for just the first 5 months of 2014, up to today

Murder by gun: 4015
Drunk Driving: 11811

I have two points. 1) I didn't say drunk driving deaths were less than deaths by gun. I said deaths by knives, fist, feet & clubs were far less than deaths caused by guns. 2) Here in Illinois for 2013 the deaths by gun were higher than all traffic deaths (not just drunk driving).
05/08/2014 04:11:09 PM · #22
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Guns don't kill people; people do.

Nuclear weapons don't kill people; people kill people... therefore everyone should have easy access to nuclear weapons.

I absolutely don't think that people should have easy access to guns either. My point was only that blaming guns, nuclear weapons or baseball bats for murders is like blaming the existence and easy access to donuts for obesity.
05/08/2014 05:06:42 PM · #23
Originally posted by SaraR:

Originally posted by jab119:


actually more people are killed by people with out guns than with guns, check the stats


Not according to the FBI


missing lots of data on other types of deaths.
05/08/2014 05:10:50 PM · #24
Originally posted by jab119:

Originally posted by SaraR:

Originally posted by jab119:


actually more people are killed by people with out guns than with guns, check the stats


Not according to the FBI


missing lots of data on other types of deaths.

Such as?
05/08/2014 05:15:18 PM · #25
Originally posted by TrollMan:

Guns don't kill people; people do.


...and of course if they had no ammunition the death rates would in all likelihood plummet... but that is mere speculation on my part. :O)

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