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01/29/2015 07:29:05 PM · #101
Remember.. I said it first
01/29/2015 08:29:56 PM · #102
Originally posted by Mike:

Remember.. I said it first


As I said, either way, the Patriots balls were under-inflated, which is against the rules. Whether they started that way or air was let out, it doesn't change the fact.
01/29/2015 09:26:24 PM · #103
no but it will determine the severity of the punishment, if any. how do you willfully punish if there was no intent to break the rules?

You don't, you fix the rules so it doesn't occur again. The rules are changed all time.

Message edited by author 2015-01-29 21:27:17.
01/30/2015 07:00:45 AM · #104
Originally posted by Mike:

no but it will determine the severity of the punishment, if any. how do you willfully punish if there was no intent to break the rules?

You don't, you fix the rules so it doesn't occur again. The rules are changed all time.


Easy. If someone runs a stop sign, causes an accident and says, "Oops Officer, I didn't mean to." when the police question them, does that mean the accident isn't their fault and they don't get a ticket?

Message edited by author 2015-01-30 07:01:54.
01/30/2015 07:13:53 AM · #105
Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by Mike:

no but it will determine the severity of the punishment, if any. how do you willfully punish if there was no intent to break the rules?

You don't, you fix the rules so it doesn't occur again. The rules are changed all time.


Easy. If someone runs a stop sign, causes an accident and says, "Oops Officer, I didn't mean to." when the police question them, does that mean the accident isn't their fault and they don't get a ticket?


and yet if they don't cause an accident the cop may let them off with a warning.

Message edited by author 2015-01-30 07:14:02.
01/30/2015 11:33:06 AM · #106
Let's not jump ahead. The article sounds like they were supposed to log the pressure of each ball, but there may have been no such requirement (as there was little worry that people were cheating in the NFL). Back in the beginning of the year MMQB had a great expose on A Week in the Life of an NFL Referee. In it they mention the pregame ball check (months and months before anybody even cared). No mention of any logs.

Originally posted by MMQB:

The Kicking Ball Coordinator (every game has one) walks in and sees Mackie. “Got the ‘K’ balls?” he says, and Mackie hands him the six balls that one team rep from both Baltimore and Chicago will be able to condition for the next 45 minutes; the proviso is they’re only allowed to use brushes, towels and water to get the sheen and wax and new-football feel off for the game.

“Got the game balls yet?” Mackie says to the locker-room attendant, and as if on cue an orange bag of 24 game balls arrives from a Bears equipment man. Minutes later the Ravens’ bag of 24 shows up. Usually it’s 12 per team, but with the threat of bad weather each team conditioned 24 balls during the week—the Chicago balls will be used when the Bears are on offense, Baltimore’s when the Ravens have the ball—and now Mackie, Waggoner and Paganelli go to work to get the balls prepared. One by one, as if on an assembly line, Mackie checks with a pressure gauge to see if the balls are filled to 12.5 to 13.5 pounds per square inch of pressure. Those that aren’t get taken to the bathroom. There Paganelli uses an electric pump to fill up the balls, Mackie checks the pressure, and Waggoner puts the good ones in the sink, until all are perfect. Then Waggoner marks each by silver Sharpie with an “L” below the NFL shield, Steratore’s branding of each ball so they’re not confused with other balls found on the sidelines. The “L” is in honor of Steratore’s fiancée.
01/30/2015 11:57:11 AM · #107
Originally posted by MMQB:

Those that aren’t get taken to the bathroom. There Paganelli uses an electric pump to fill up the balls...

Interesting.
01/30/2015 12:50:07 PM · #108
Originally posted by bohemka:

Originally posted by MMQB:

Those that aren’t get taken to the bathroom. There Paganelli uses an electric pump to fill up the balls...

Interesting.


I wonder if that pump in the bathroom runs in reverse, too........
01/30/2015 01:18:40 PM · #109
Explanations in Mass. //youtu.be/feuNeJewzDo
01/30/2015 04:40:12 PM · #110
Just think, in 48 hours we'll be able to actually watch some football...
01/30/2015 05:33:32 PM · #111
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just think, in 48 hours we'll be able to actually watch some football...

Unless they punish the Patriots by DQing them and asterisking the game to the 'Hawks :-)
01/30/2015 07:07:47 PM · #112
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Just think, in 48 hours we'll be able to actually watch some football...

I guess it's too late to submit some images of an air gauge to the stock photo sites ... :-(
05/08/2015 03:57:37 PM · #113
AFC title game and super bowl victories should be vacated.
05/08/2015 04:07:03 PM · #114
Originally posted by bohemka:

AFC title game and super bowl victories should be vacated.

I was thinking maybe they could forfeit the first two games of the upcoming season ...

Now that the NFL is officially a for-profit enterprise they can afford to hire crews of independent agents (add to the officiating crew) to handle the balls -- no reason each team should have their own.
05/08/2015 04:19:50 PM · #115
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by bohemka:

AFC title game and super bowl victories should be vacated.

I was thinking maybe they could forfeit the first two games of the upcoming season ...

Now that the NFL is officially a for-profit enterprise they can afford to hire crews of independent agents (add to the officiating crew) to handle the balls -- no reason each team should have their own.

The NFL, networks, advertisers and all other parties have already made all the money they can off the super bowl. Other than damaging a relationship with Kraft, there's really nothing to be lost by vacating the wins. In fact they would suddenly look as if they've regained a bit of integrity.

All they're talking about locally is how many games will Tom be banned. That doesn't even make sense to me. It's a team sport, the team shares the victory or defeat, regardless of how many people were involved, the team took the field in the AFC championship game after pulling a bait-and-switch deception operation on the refs. It's inexcusable.

Next season is next season. The NFL would be foolish to damage its future product. But these victories should most definitely be vacated.
05/08/2015 04:43:20 PM · #116
Originally posted by bohemka:

But these victories should most definitely be vacated.

How about also taking away their rings, the trophy, and their bonus pay, and the team's share of the TV revenue ...

Oh, and all their team gear sold in the next year can have the number 666 with the name "Cheater" ... ;-)
05/08/2015 04:49:51 PM · #117
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by bohemka:

But these victories should most definitely be vacated.

How about also taking away their rings, the trophy, and their bonus pay, and the team's share of the TV revenue ...

Oh, and all their team gear sold in the next year can have the number 666 with the name "Cheater" ... ;-)


I have no problem with any of those suggestions.
05/08/2015 05:39:58 PM · #118
Dave Ross weighs in ...

Originally posted by Dave Ross:


As for what to tell your children? Tell them you love them and not to watch so much football.
05/08/2015 06:52:55 PM · #119
Originally posted by LN13:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by bohemka:

But these victories should most definitely be vacated.

How about also taking away their rings, the trophy, and their bonus pay, and the team's share of the TV revenue ...

Oh, and all their team gear sold in the next year can have the number 666 with the name "Cheater" ... ;-)


I have no problem with any of those suggestions.


Did anyone actually read the results of the investigation. Unless I am very much mistaken they said "probably", something that is not exactly a damning condemnation and is only applied in civil litigation cases.

If indeed they did use "deflated balls, then their opposition really ought to have pressed the league to have them use only that type of ball, particularly when one considers how the Patriots scored in the second half of that game using properly inflated balls.

There is no real tangible proof here and all we are witnessing is a "Rush to judgement".

Ray
05/08/2015 10:00:03 PM · #120
Originally posted by bohemka:

Next season is next season. The NFL would be foolish to damage its future product. But these victories should most definitely be vacated.

Would taking away their draft picks for X number of years have any impact? Just a thought ...
05/11/2015 05:41:35 PM · #121
The HAMMER is just been thrown down-- WOW
Brady suspended 4 Games!
Pat's fined 1 Million dollars and lose 2 draft picks--
05/11/2015 05:44:34 PM · #122
Originally posted by buzzrock:

The HAMMER is just been thrown down-- WOW
Brady suspended 4 Games!
Pat's fined 1 Million dollars and lose 2 draft picks--


Small price to pay for another Lombardi trophy. I wonder the Pats will ever win one that isn't marred in controversy?
05/11/2015 07:15:16 PM · #123
wow…
05/11/2015 08:28:57 PM · #124
Originally posted by RayEthier:



There is no real tangible proof here and all we are witnessing is a "Rush to judgement".

Ray


What "rush" Ray? The game in question was some 5 months ago…
05/11/2015 08:43:29 PM · #125
Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by RayEthier:



There is no real tangible proof here and all we are witnessing is a "Rush to judgement".

Ray


What "rush" Ray? The game in question was some 5 months ago…


Yeah. It was really rushed. Usually it takes about 7 years, like with lance Armstrong
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