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03/29/2015 02:31:59 PM · #1
Originally posted by mitalapo:

I value mystery more than I value fine details, so sharpness may have negative value to me.
....
I find this image full of mysteries, and you can read back this thread to see it is not only my own view. But sometimes you need to look for mysteries. I, for one, am not 100% sure the person at the top is not a drawing. I think this mystery would have been resolved should there be more fine details. In most cases (this included) I wish a mystery like that is never resolved to certainty.


Yes. Interesting thought. The whole thing could have been painted onto a concrete wall somewhere. That would be a good joke.

03/29/2015 01:12:10 PM · #2
Ok-dokie then. To each their own, and I respect that.

FWIW, I found "mystery" in this photo (same photographer BTW) and highlighted it in the 'Top Challenge picks that failed to make the Top 20' thread.

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There have been some 'blurry' and/or 'OOF' shots that I've enjoyed here as well. Albeit substantially less frequent than 'sharp' photos. :-) I'll have to dig to find an example or two.

In the meantime I'll dabble with using a heavy dose of Topaz DeNoize myself perhaps. LOL
03/29/2015 12:36:49 PM · #3
The questions the image presents are like reading a good book. If all were sharp and clear, we wouldn't need to finish it.
03/29/2015 12:34:08 PM · #4
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by mitalapo:

I value mystery more than I value fine details, so sharpness may have negative value to me.

At times I can value that also. In this case there wasn't really any "mystery" IMO. The only mystery to me (prior to knowing the photographer behind the capture) was if the photo was a screw-up initially and an attempt was made to fix/correct it by heavy-handed noise reduction to smooth things over.

I find this image full of mysteries, and you can read back this thread to see it is not only my own view. But sometimes you need to look for mysteries. I, for one, am not 100% sure the person at the top is not a drawing. I think this mystery would have been resolved should there be more fine details. In most cases (this included) I wish a mystery like that is never resolved to certainty.
03/29/2015 12:05:19 PM · #5
Originally posted by mitalapo:

I value mystery more than I value fine details, so sharpness may have negative value to me.

At times I can value that also. In this case there wasn't really any "mystery" IMO. The only mystery to me (prior to knowing the photographer behind the capture) was if the photo was a screw-up initially and an attempt was made to fix/correct it by heavy-handed noise reduction to smooth things over.
03/29/2015 11:53:43 AM · #6
Originally posted by mitalapo:

I value mystery more than I value fine details, so sharpness may have negative value to me.


thank you
03/29/2015 11:42:44 AM · #7
I value mystery more than I value fine details, so sharpness may have negative value to me.
03/29/2015 11:32:53 AM · #8
Originally posted by jagar:

You'll be getting a koan now, good luck.

A what?! ... <nervously heads off to Google>
03/29/2015 11:21:39 AM · #9
Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Gosh, I guess it's a good thing I didn't vote on this challenge because I would have given this image a 3, at most a 4. Reason being is that the image has lost so much detail in the processing (probably intentional) but I don't care for images that appear to have so much noise reduction applied. Look at the guys head that is doing the work ... his hair is totally obliterated. The stone wall, his shirt, his jeans, the window ... everything is void of detail.


You'll be getting a koan now, good luck.


Ha
03/29/2015 11:20:04 AM · #10
sharp
sharper
oh shit
cut myself
03/29/2015 11:16:28 AM · #11
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Gosh, I guess it's a good thing I didn't vote on this challenge because I would have given this image a 3, at most a 4. Reason being is that the image has lost so much detail in the processing (probably intentional) but I don't care for images that appear to have so much noise reduction applied. Look at the guys head that is doing the work ... his hair is totally obliterated. The stone wall, his shirt, his jeans, the window ... everything is void of detail.


You'll be getting a koan now, good luck.
03/29/2015 11:16:07 AM · #12
Originally posted by pixelpig:



Why the surgical mask?


I think you will find that it is to stop the transference of germs and the like.
03/29/2015 11:13:56 AM · #13
Gosh, I guess it's a good thing I didn't vote on this challenge because I would have given this image a 3, at most a 4. Reason being is that the image has lost so much detail in the processing (probably intentional) but I don't care for images that appear to have so much noise reduction applied. Look at the guys head that is doing the work ... his hair is totally obliterated. The stone wall, his shirt, his jeans, the window ... everything is void of detail.
03/29/2015 09:20:24 AM · #14
Agree with Bear, but...the question of the day is...why are they hanging a poster of a man wearing a surgical mask?

The man in the window was probably holding the shower-curtain-rod thingy steady while the man on the ladder secured it in place. Without him, the photo would be about the poster of the man with the surgical mask. IMIO.

Why the surgical mask?
03/29/2015 04:58:11 AM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Good Lord... Lose the extra "dude in the window" and the image would lose half its punch, IMO. That face is CRITICAL :-)


+14

that "dude" makes the whole thang

Message edited by author 2015-03-29 07:05:35.
03/29/2015 12:35:27 AM · #16
I enjoy the abstractness of the tree limbs reflected in the window in the image being discussed, as they contrast against the hard lines of all the geometric shapes in the composition. The multilevel eye contact is a big bonus.
I can't see well enough to tell that it's not all in focus.
As for my personal feelings about blur in photos, it can be a great thing for the right scene, and not so good for other things. To me it's sort defines the intersection between technical ability and artistic expression in a photo.
Many of my favorite photos in my collective shooting history have been either soft focus or have at least some blur in them.
03/29/2015 12:05:31 AM · #17
Good Lord... Lose the extra "dude in the window" and the image would lose half its punch, IMO. That face is CRITICAL :-)
03/28/2015 11:53:48 PM · #18
I did not have a chance to vote on this challenge, sorry guys, I would have given this image a 8.

Its not a huge wow for me -a personal ribbon for me (which are my 9-10), but its not avg or bad either. To me,
It makes more than avg higher than a 6-7, and more than just good because of the style and creativity it was put in hence the 8. How many faces on a wall do you see every day or in a challenge? Plus a guy being on a ladder and having that face painting on the wall looking at that guy on the ladder? I think it was well done and clever. To me, that alone makes it for higher points. Just not something you see every day.

It would have been a 9 and perhaps a special mention for me, but the reason I wouldn't give it a 9 is that, I just don't like that extra dude in the window, that to me threw it off of the image completely. With him in it, its kinda creepy like a stalker kinda of thing.

I am not a big vignette person but for this one I like it with it. Not to dark, not to light with it. I really don't like the heavy vignettes.

The focus sharpness to me would really throw this image off (I think it would) and the softer focus which this one has, gives the feel of a more and about even look to it.
For me this photo works and how it was done. Just didn't like that extra dude in the window.

Message edited by author 2015-03-28 23:56:00.
03/28/2015 09:03:31 PM · #19
I took off a point because I didn't like the blacks or the vignette. I did not see sharpness as something to look at. I like the descending rectangles of frame, window, poster, ladder. In its favor, & adding a point, I like the joke of the live people being posterized (smoothed detail esp in hair & cap), & the face on the poster not being posterized, so in this context it seems more 'real.' The pig has spoken!
03/28/2015 08:38:58 PM · #20
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I don't think anyone's COMPLAINING about your comment, Lydia. It just brings up an interesting aspect of how we relate to images for discussion.


Thanks, Bear. *hugs you*

I don't think the OP is complaining about my comment either... (and I appreciate his not giving away who made the comment)

I'm not trying to defend my comment... just trying to explain how sharpness relates to THIS image in my opinion... and how every image is different and requires varying degrees of sharpness to be most effective... in my opinion.

03/28/2015 08:32:39 PM · #21
I don't think anyone's COMPLAINING about your comment, Lydia. It just brings up an interesting aspect of how we relate to images for discussion.
03/28/2015 08:12:46 PM · #22
Oh... guess I should show the image (it was my comment):

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Do you see what I'm seeing and saying? As it is (not flipped), the viewer is halfway through the image before he gets to the most in-focus part (the person on the ladder). Since he's not really sharp either, the eye keeps moving through the image... waiting for the "punchline". Then, when the viewer is finished seeing it all, he realizes that the person on the ladder is the subject and goes back over the image again to "understand" it.

Now... having a viewer go back over an image is always a good thing! But... it left me wanting more... since I didn't get that "WOW! Here it is!" part when I got to the person on the ladder.

If the DOF had included the man in the window, I'd have been thrilled with that and then ... WOW! HERE it is! about the man on the ladder if he were sharply in focus, too.

If it HAD been flipped and the man on the ladder were in sharp focus, and the WOW! Here it is! happened, then... when the viewer got to the window man... that's a BONUS! A Two-Fer! So... he doesn't have to be so much in focus to make an impression. He's secondary.

Presented as it is, the secondary gets passed over... waiting for the main event. Then, when we get finished viewing and go back to him... he's not so much of a surprise.

What do you think?

BUT... the discussion is about HOW MUCH sharpness means to the viewer. I think that each image is different. Soft focus on some things is much better than sharp focus.

In the end though... it's all in the eye of the beholder and... we can't please everyone, so... we should just please ourselves and take each comment as it is meant here on DPC.

I meant my comment to encourage. I hope it did.

03/28/2015 08:11:45 PM · #23
I'm the one that gave it the 9. Sharpness (or lack of same) didn't bother me at all. Interesting. I hadn't even NOTICED it until I saw this thread and located the image in question... For thjose who don't know what we're talking about, here it is;

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03/28/2015 08:01:12 PM · #24
If the image had been flipped horizontally, so the person on the ladder was the first face that the viewer sees, then I think this would have gotten a higher score from me.

BUT... since the first face I see is an important face and... it's blurred, it disappoints a bit from the "get go".

03/28/2015 07:55:35 PM · #25
Originally posted by mitalapo:

I saw this surprising comment on a photo:

Originally posted by Lydia:

:D If this were sharply in focus, it would be an 11 from me. SUCH a fabulous capture! 7

so I now wonder: how important to you is subjects being "sharply in focus" when enjoying a photograph?


Ha! What a GREAT comment! Loving your image... and telling you how to make it even better... in his/her opinion.

:D

Actually, what I think about it now is that it needs more DOF... so both the guy on the ladder and the guy in the window are sharp.

BUT... that's just my opinion. Everyone has one. ;)

Message edited by author 2015-03-28 20:02:05.
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