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07/13/2015 02:53:18 PM · #51
Originally posted by tate:

Without reading this entire thread, I assume the challenge description covers pretty much the jist?

Maybe next DPL we could repeat this challenge and allow 2 team members to collaborate? Crazy?


Collaboration is a big taboo on DPC. Here, we worship the myth of the lone creator.
07/13/2015 02:58:20 PM · #52
Resizing images separately was mentioned previously - but what about altering scale and/or distorting (i.e. perspective, warp) in moderate to major ways?
07/13/2015 03:18:01 PM · #53
Originally posted by skewsme:

Resizing images separately was mentioned previously - but what about altering scale and/or distorting (i.e. perspective, warp) in moderate to major ways?

If it would be legal for the single image, it's legal in this challenge. Distortion/warping has always been one of those murky gray areas where it's easily possible to go too far. If in doubt, back off; that's my best advice.
07/14/2015 08:01:43 AM · #54
Sorry if this has been answered, but it's maybe easier to just ask. Images can overlap; does that mean we can use the BG of one to cover the BG of the other?
07/14/2015 08:09:11 AM · #55
Originally posted by Nicht:

Sorry if this has been answered, but it's maybe easier to just ask. Images can overlap; does that mean we can use the BG of one to cover the BG of the other?


"Parts of one image may overlap the other"

If you say your background is a "part" it should be okay, but it surely is not in the spirit of the challenge.
Just my $0.02.
07/14/2015 08:29:20 AM · #56
Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Nicht:

Sorry if this has been answered, but it's maybe easier to just ask. Images can overlap; does that mean we can use the BG of one to cover the BG of the other?


"Parts of one image may overlap the other"

If you say your background is a "part" it should be okay, but it surely is not in the spirit of the challenge.
Just my $0.02.


I agree it's not in the spirit of the challenge, but is it legal? For example this:

' . substr('//s29.postimg.org/6egb5lyrb/image.jpg', strrpos('//s29.postimg.org/6egb5lyrb/image.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
07/14/2015 08:45:18 AM · #57
Originally posted by Nicht:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Nicht:

Sorry if this has been answered, but it's maybe easier to just ask. Images can overlap; does that mean we can use the BG of one to cover the BG of the other?


"Parts of one image may overlap the other"

If you say your background is a "part" it should be okay, but it surely is not in the spirit of the challenge.
Just my $0.02.


I agree it's not in the spirit of the challenge, but is it legal? For example this:

' . substr('//s29.postimg.org/6egb5lyrb/image.jpg', strrpos('//s29.postimg.org/6egb5lyrb/image.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

I'm pretty sure this is a DQ since it doesn't align two photos either vertically or horizontally. The masking is only meant to allow some blending along that merge line. This is simply a composite. If the model was shot against a white background, you could pull this off.
07/14/2015 08:58:47 AM · #58
Originally posted by FromDaRock:


I'm pretty sure this is a DQ since it doesn't align two photos either vertically or horizontally. The masking is only meant to allow some blending along that merge line. This is simply a composite. If the model was shot against a white background, you could pull this off.


That makes sense, thanks!
07/14/2015 09:32:28 AM · #59
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

The masking is only meant to allow some blending along that merge line.


I think "blending" is exactly what is NOT asked for
07/14/2015 09:37:31 AM · #60
Also, I have been playing around with the "autoblend" on photoshop because I wanted to use that.. it totally changes "both" of the images and it even changes the backgrounds.. I believe that would make that DQ because of the changing.

I just had to butt up the two photos together and leave it as that

Message edited by author 2015-07-14 09:39:43.
07/14/2015 10:24:19 AM · #61
I'm going to try and make this question as simple as possible. Here you have two images...

Image 1:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160412.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160412.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

Image 2:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160411.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160411.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

I overlay Image 2 onto Image 1 so that it completely covers the white portion, but I mask out some of Image 2 to allow the black portion of Image 1 to be seen...

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160409.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160409.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

As per the rules, Parts of one image may overlap the other, parts of Image 1 overlap Image 2.

Is this legal? I believe it is.

Is it in the "spirit of the challenge"? Based on the example link, absolutely not. Based on the challenge description, absolutely.

Thoughts, particularly folks on the SC?

Message edited by author 2015-07-14 10:28:57.
07/14/2015 10:46:42 AM · #62
You lot are bizarre in the extreme.

Just go take some snaps .
07/14/2015 10:58:22 AM · #63
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:



Is this legal? I believe it is.

Is it in the "spirit of the challenge"? Based on the example link, absolutely not. Based on the challenge description, absolutely.

Thoughts, particularly folks on the SC?


legal, yes - must be according to the description,
Spirit of the challenge - not for me, because that's a really big portion overlapping; I would think of something along the lines as one fingertip, when the image is of a complete hand, or a lamp post, when the image is of a wide street scene, or the top part of a golf tee, when the image contains a lot of lawn....
07/14/2015 11:16:29 AM · #64
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

I'm going to try and make this question as simple as possible. Here you have two images...

Image 1:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160412.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160412.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

Image 2:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160411.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160411.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

I overlay Image 2 onto Image 1 so that it completely covers the white portion, but I mask out some of Image 2 to allow the black portion of Image 1 to be seen...

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160409.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/155000-159999/156466/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1160409.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

As per the rules, Parts of one image may overlap the other, parts of Image 1 overlap Image 2.

Is this legal? I believe it is.

Is it in the "spirit of the challenge"? Based on the example link, absolutely not. Based on the challenge description, absolutely.

Thoughts, particularly folks on the SC?

It's legal. Let the VOTERS interpret the spirit of the challenge however they choose to, that's not up to SC at all.
07/14/2015 11:20:33 AM · #65
BTW Jake, you don't even have to mask out anything to do that: overlay the B/W image over the color one and select "darker color" as the layer mode on the B/W layer :-)
07/14/2015 11:29:32 AM · #66
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

BTW Jake, you don't even have to mask out anything to do that: overlay the B/W image over the color one and select "darker color" as the layer mode on the B/W layer :-)


That's actually how I did it - I'm trying to make the example simple and didn't want to get into process specifics.

As for asking about the spirit of the challenge, given that you all have made it clear as mud I'm sticking a moist finger in the wind to see just where the spirit is. Gotta say, as interesting as this challenge is, to toss this salad into the DPL is more than enough to bind one's shorts. Voting is godawful enough rather than give folks more reason to throw around low numbers on solid and legal edits.
07/14/2015 11:40:29 AM · #67
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

As for asking about the spirit of the challenge, given that you all have made it clear as mud I'm sticking a moist finger in the wind to see just where the spirit is.

The "spirit" of challenges is not our job, nor should it be. EVERY challenge is to some extent interpreted differently by different people. OUR job is to make clear what rules apply. In this case, I wish I'd kept my mouth shut, for all the grief this is causing. Please remember, EVERY time we have had a diptych challenge (which is essentially what this is) a certain number of folks have created partial-overlap montages, and they ARE legal advanced editing if one presumes there's a flag that allows multi-image compositing; they always have been, they go way back. Now, the OP on the challenge ASKED for it to be advanced with a flag, rather than expert, so we obliged him. The rest of the verbiage under the flag was an attempt to answer the questions we knew would be asked, in the hopes of avoiding a situation where those who don't read the forums regularly are at a disadvantage.
07/14/2015 12:58:13 PM · #68
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

As for asking about the spirit of the challenge, given that you all have made it clear as mud I'm sticking a moist finger in the wind to see just where the spirit is.

The "spirit" of challenges is not our job, nor should it be. EVERY challenge is to some extent interpreted differently by different people. OUR job is to make clear what rules apply. In this case, I wish I'd kept my mouth shut, for all the grief this is causing. Please remember, EVERY time we have had a diptych challenge (which is essentially what this is) a certain number of folks have created partial-overlap montages, and they ARE legal advanced editing if one presumes there's a flag that allows multi-image compositing; they always have been, they go way back. Now, the OP on the challenge ASKED for it to be advanced with a flag, rather than expert, so we obliged him. The rest of the verbiage under the flag was an attempt to answer the questions we knew would be asked, in the hopes of avoiding a situation where those who don't read the forums regularly are at a disadvantage.


Look, I get everything you're saying - I just wish everyone voting would actually read it before throwing up numbers. I'm honestly enjoying this challenge, just not as a part of DPL. As I've said, voting has been brutal enough (one only need to look at how the scores jumped the week we had off to realize that), but to give us a challenge where you essentially leave "DNMC" open to whether or not someone read the flagged statement or a forum thread is bad form.
07/14/2015 01:26:13 PM · #69
eh whatever let the dnmc dipshts vote how they like. it not like i rely on them for some sort of reassurance of my ability.
07/14/2015 01:35:42 PM · #70
This challenge was a love/hate relationship LOL I am glad because it def. pushed my buttons to really try hard to come up with something decent and the editing thing was not easy either. Something learned - something new, its all good

The end result, I was pretty happy with, and most of all, it is what it is what is, high scores or not.
07/14/2015 01:46:16 PM · #71
The DNMCerrorists have already won.
07/14/2015 02:03:12 PM · #72
Originally posted by jgirl57:

and most of all, it is what it is what is, high scores or not.


What she said......I think.
07/14/2015 02:15:14 PM · #73
Originally posted by Tiny:

You lot are bizarre in the extreme.

Just go take some snaps .


I agree with Tiny!
07/15/2015 08:53:57 AM · #74
Just so I can say it and be on my way.

My entry is strictly by the books, straight line side-by-side of two photos with no overlapping whatsoever. My first comment questions whether or not I did expert-style masking on a composite, which would not be allowed based on the discussion in this thread.

I KNOW!!!

Again, what a lousy freakin' way to confound both photographers and voters. Hammered because it's DPL, hammered because it might be DNMC. When the criteria is ether everything and nothing meets it.
07/15/2015 08:54:45 AM · #75
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