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08/30/2018 09:11:58 AM · #1
So... I'm not a lightroom person, but I'm trying to get used to it. And it's driving me crazy.

So I have a bunch of questions for the power user.

1. I'm working off a portable drive and moving that back and forth between my work computer and my home computer. Do I have to really import it into both catalogs each time? And it doesn't seem to remember things that I've flagged. It keeps the star ratings, but completely ignores my flagging. :(

2. I had stacked the photos, since I'm shooting both raw and jpeg and don't really want to have to search through everything twice. However, it's showing me the RAW only. I'd like to stack the photos, but only see the jpeg. I'm finding that the jpeg denoising is far superior to what I can do with the RAW. And actually the editing is pretty good, too. So I'm working off the jpgs mostly. But when things are stacked, I can't seem to easily get to the jpg. Only the RAW. What's the best way around this?

3. It seems like half the time when I edit, the tiffs show up in lightroom and half the time they don't. Again, I assume it's because I'm going back and forth between two computers. But I'm finding it extremely difficult to track down my edited files! It was so much easier in bridge. You could just sort and get all the tiffs or psd files together. Help!
08/30/2018 09:37:42 AM · #2
I don't do any of what you're trying to do, but I'll give your questions a shot. Can you tell I'm bored?

1. Don't import the photo, just tell lightroom to leave the images where they are during the "import" step. (assuming you've moved the images from your camera to the portable drive). Also, you might have to store the catalogue onto the portable drive. I'm not sure how to do that. Edit to add, I think the main problem is that you need to move your catalogue unto the portable drive, not have 2 catalogues.
2. Don't stack. In the library tab, just filter for jpg only. Once you do that, and switch to the edit tab, only the jpgs will be shown (I think)
3. Tiffs? You should only have RAW files and JPG, where do the tiff files come from, unless you're editing in photoshop and switching back to lightroom? Either way, once question #1 is taken care of, all saved files should stay together ... on your portable drive.

This is probably all wrong, lol.

Message edited by author 2018-08-30 09:47:49.
08/30/2018 09:57:25 AM · #3
Oh my, nothing to add, as I downloaded LR, looked it up once, then went straight back to PS. Good Luck!!!
08/30/2018 09:57:29 AM · #4
Originally posted by hopper:

I don't do any of what you're trying to do, but I'll give your questions a shot. Can you tell I'm bored?

1. Don't import the photo, just tell lightroom to leave the images where they are during the "import" step. (assuming you've moved the images from your camera to the portable drive). Also, you might have to store the catalogue onto the portable drive. I'm not sure how to do that. Edit to add, I think the main problem is that you need to move your catalogue unto the portable drive, not have 2 catalogues.
2. Don't stack. In the library tab, just filter for jpg only. Once you do that, and switch to the edit tab, only the jpgs will be shown (I think)
3. Tiffs? You should only have RAW files and JPG, where do the tiff files come from, unless you're editing in photoshop and switching back to lightroom? Either way, once question #1 is taken care of, all saved files should stay together ... on your portable drive.

This is probably all wrong, lol.


But I'd still like to flag both. When I've stacked, it will flag both (I thought...?). They want the RAW files anyway, even though I'm not working off of them. So I'd like to stack, flag just one and have both flagged so I can delete the unflagged ones, and then see the jpgs.
08/30/2018 10:09:26 AM · #5
I tried the stacking...to much of a pain...just spread things out...I import my RAWís & JPEGs into a separate file under the date...

But...you can find all your imported pictures (including the TIFF) under the drop menu next to your file number...

Hopper I get TIFF files when I use PhotoMatix thatís what they change the file to before it gets imported back into Lr...then itís happy hunting...I have to change the file to ALL imports before I can find them...sigh

I havenít been able to figure out WHY my imports (PhotoMatix) show up sometimes and not at other times, itís totally random...shrug. I need to google it...Iím sure there is a fix I just havenít looked for it yet.

Sounds like a solid recommendation to just copy your catalog or contact Adobe and ask them how to work around having 2 computers...Iím sure your not the first!!
08/30/2018 10:11:39 AM · #6
Echo what Kris said about putting the catalog on the portable drive. Then both computers will be loading the same catalog. My recommendation for the flagging/stacking is simple - get rid of the jpegs! If you are finding that for some reason you are getting a different/better result with the JPEG input, something is amiss. You have far less data depth available with the jpeg files, and you should be able to get superior results *always* with the RAW files. Further, if you are creating TIFF files for intermediate editing, and you're starting with a JPEG, the TIFF is nothing but a waste of space, since you still only have the 8-bit depth of the jpeg file to start with.
08/30/2018 10:30:59 AM · #7
Originally posted by kirbic:

Echo what Kris said about putting the catalog on the portable drive. Then both computers will be loading the same catalog. My recommendation for the flagging/stacking is simple - get rid of the jpegs! If you are finding that for some reason you are getting a different/better result with the JPEG input, something is amiss. You have far less data depth available with the jpeg files, and you should be able to get superior results *always* with the RAW files. Further, if you are creating TIFF files for intermediate editing, and you're starting with a JPEG, the TIFF is nothing but a waste of space, since you still only have the 8-bit depth of the jpeg file to start with.


My TIFFS are created from RAW files and are 16 bit when they come back into Lr...

Totally agree about dumping the JPEGS...and that something is a miss if they are better than the RAWS...your RAWS should (and mind are) much better than the JPEGS ever could be...
08/30/2018 10:58:11 AM · #8
If you do any sort of merge in LR (panorama stitch, HDR), LR saves them as tiffs.

And yeah, if your jpgs are looking better than your raw, something is def amiss.
08/30/2018 12:18:30 PM · #9
Nope. Nothing's amiss, I'm just shooting at very high ISO and the Sony jpg does an excellent job at denoising. Very impressive. There's a ton of noise in the raw and I can't seem to get the same results from doing it myself.
08/30/2018 04:28:34 PM · #10
Originally posted by vawendy:

Nope. Nothing's amiss, I'm just shooting at very high ISO and the Sony jpg does an excellent job at denoising. Very impressive. There's a ton of noise in the raw and I can't seem to get the same results from doing it myself.


You should certainly be able to get at least as good results using Lr as what the in-camera NR engine is doing. Things to try:
- Start with sharpening at zero
- Increase luminance NR first. Be conservative, don't try for "silky smooth"
- Increase color NR very conservatively. Less is more
- Now adjust sharpening:
* Start with R=1.0, or even R=0.5 if the edges in the image data are very sharp
* Set Detail slider to 0
* Increase Amount slowly until results are acceptable
* If extreme Amount is needed and you still see little effect, increase R slightly and try again
08/31/2018 09:14:28 PM · #11
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Nope. Nothing's amiss, I'm just shooting at very high ISO and the Sony jpg does an excellent job at denoising. Very impressive. There's a ton of noise in the raw and I can't seem to get the same results from doing it myself.


You should certainly be able to get at least as good results using Lr as what the in-camera NR engine is doing. Things to try:
- Start with sharpening at zero
- Increase luminance NR first. Be conservative, don't try for "silky smooth"
- Increase color NR very conservatively. Less is more
- Now adjust sharpening:
* Start with R=1.0, or even R=0.5 if the edges in the image data are very sharp
* Set Detail slider to 0
* Increase Amount slowly until results are acceptable
* If extreme Amount is needed and you still see little effect, increase R slightly and try again


Thanks -- I will definitely go look at this!
09/01/2018 10:21:06 PM · #12
I've been learning Lightroom for a while now and found the best resource are YouTube videos by Anthony Morganti. He is clear and concise and explains everything really well. I don't normally watch videos to learn but for Lightroom it seems to be the most expedient way.

As for your specific questions he has a couple of videos that talk about how to mange your catalog over multiple computers. I don't remember the details because it didn't apply to me at the time.
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