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09/17/2020 03:13:02 PM · #26
+1 to Jake's comments.
09/17/2020 04:13:18 PM · #27
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

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There's nothing standard about this and nothing that can be verified from the original image unless we're required to submit the final image stack for investigation as well. IMO it should have been Expert with the flag that we can only use a single image that, prior to any flip/blend/twirl application meets all criteria for Standard editing.

That is unless this challenge requires that you not do the Mezzotint and Radial Blur steps typically found in the tutorials for this technique - something not stated in any way.


I agree. I can see why a challenge that starts off as Expert can't be changed to Standard somewhere along the way without causing real problems. However, I don't see that the reverse is true.

And no one is suggesting here that we can't edit the original photo in ways that would be acceptable under standard editing rules before we start to distort, right? I mean I cleaned stray leaves and branches out of one before I started flipping and bending and twirling. That's acceptable, correct?

It's pretty clear that nothing can keep some of us from spending insane amounts of time flipping and blending and twirling, but it would be really nice to be able to do so with the confidence that we could USE our favorite outcome in the challenge :)

And should we be unlucky enough to be among the top five (which at least five people must inevitably be), please tell me that we will not have to provide a step by step tutorial that would allow SC to exactly duplicate our result. Do you have ANY idea how much note taking that would involve??

09/17/2020 07:02:51 PM · #28
Originally posted by nam:

... please tell me that we will not have to provide a step by step tutorial that would allow SC to exactly duplicate our result. Do you have ANY idea how much note taking that would involve??

Every request for validation asks for a summary of the editing steps.

Personally, I think you can adjust your image however you want; what I don't think is legal is duplicating a layer, erasing/manipulating part of it, and THEN flipping it and blending it into the unmanipulated version -- to me that is like merging two different pictures.

But you can distort a layer first, copy it and flip it and blend it back in -- I've found using the Wave filter on an image and blending it back into itself often yields pleasing "organic" curves ...
09/17/2020 08:51:29 PM · #29
Yes, but that goes back to the point that Jake raised in this, we actually modified the original image. Not sure what that filter is doing to create that effect if that does all erase and cloning and all to create then how can that be a valid and not if I do erase of a layer and merge the image to parent and then do flip-flops.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by nam:

... please tell me that we will not have to provide a step by step tutorial that would allow SC to exactly duplicate our result. Do you have ANY idea how much note taking that would involve??

Every request for validation asks for a summary of the editing steps.

Personally, I think you can adjust your image however you want; what I don't think is legal is duplicating a layer, erasing/manipulating part of it, and THEN flipping it and blending it into the unmanipulated version -- to me that is like merging two different pictures.

But you can distort a layer first, copy it and flip it and blend it back in -- I've found using the Wave filter on an image and blending it back into itself often yields pleasing "organic" curves ...
09/17/2020 09:21:17 PM · #30
You are allowed to modify the base image in Standard. I just think it shouldn't be modified between steps and then blended with the unmodified version.
09/17/2020 09:25:05 PM · #31
I see what you are saying. hummm
Originally posted by GeneralE:

You are allowed to modify the base image in Standard. I just think it shouldn't be modified between steps and then blended with the unmodified version.
09/17/2020 11:31:00 PM · #32
I think that to save SC a nightmare in backlash if there's a problem, the challenge should be changed to Extended and only one image.

But... I'm already in, so...

I don't care. :D
09/17/2020 11:46:14 PM · #33
Originally posted by Lydia:

I think that to save SC a nightmare in backlash if there's a problem, the challenge should be changed to Extended and only one image.

But... I'm already in, so...

I don't care. :D


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09/17/2020 11:56:24 PM · #34
I'm seeing mountains where only molehills exist. In any normal, standard editing challenge I can make an altered version of the base layer, say a darker version, and I can layer it and change the mode, say to darken, and I can MASK that layer to only apply the darkening where I want to. I don't see any issue in this flip 'n blend process at all, once we've flagged it to allow the unregistered superimpositions. In Extended editing, on the other hand, there's NOTHING you can't do basically, so it seems much more straightforward to loosen up Standard for the challenge than to limit Extended. Either way, it's a fun challenge. Don't get so hung up on details, legality, and all that hoo-hah. As long as you work from a single image you're gonna be fine, unless you do something so outrageous we haven't even thought of it, and maybe even then.

There's a time and a place for worrying about making sure everybody is parsing the rules the same way, but this isn't the time and this challenge isn't the place :-) Let chaos reign!

Seriously :-) Lighten up :-)
09/20/2020 06:04:22 AM · #35
Is polar coordinates legal for this challenge?
09/20/2020 08:24:09 AM · #36
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Is polar coordinates legal for this challenge?


It had better be...
09/20/2020 11:15:28 AM · #37
Originally posted by jomari:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Is polar coordinates legal for this challenge?

It had better be...

Yup.
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