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03/28/2021 11:16:48 AM · #1
Are borders with drop down shadows allowed in Standard Editing?
03/28/2021 06:32:17 PM · #2
I don't know, but may I add, are break-out borders allowed in standard editing?
03/28/2021 07:17:53 PM · #3
I recall borders were not allowed, or at least frowned upon many years ago. I got nailed more than once because I added a simple border to enhance the presentation of an image. Good question. I'd call it ok, myself. It does not change the content or meaning of the image itself.
03/28/2021 07:28:17 PM · #4
It was my thought that borders were allowed as long as they were obviously borders. But Spiff's right -- people had a tendency to hit them hard. But that was in the day of the 50 and 100 vote check ins. :)
03/28/2021 09:17:41 PM · #5
I was thinking about this for the Diptych challenge. Seems like artistic borders should be allowed in this one.
03/29/2021 12:19:57 AM · #6
Originally posted by vawendy:

It was my thought that borders were allowed as long as they were obviously borders. But Spiff's right -- people had a tendency to hit them hard. But that was in the day of the 50 and 100 vote check ins. :)


I've checked the rules for various challenge editing sets and only find two references to borders.

Common Editing
You may not ...
- add graphics or clip art images to your entry or its border during editing.

Minimal Editing
You may not ...
- add a border to your image

I'm comfortable in saying that a simple border is definitely allowed (except for Minimal Editing).

I've been trying to find prior examples of unique borders being discussed and have not had much luck.

My gut reaction is a border with a simple drop shadow is probably ok, but if you want a firm(er) answer use the Help menu and ask a question to SC directly and that will generate a ticket and conversation with a direct response.

03/29/2021 05:59:04 PM · #7
Thanks Barry,
I brought the subject up in the forums for everyone's benefit. I will assume that borders are OK.
03/29/2021 10:08:24 PM · #8
We've been VERY liberal with borders over the past5-6 years, I can't think offhand of a border-DQ in that time except in minimal. We used to fuss about whether the borders you can get out of the plug-ins like NIK and Topaz (with the jagged edges, fake light leaks, and so forth) qualified as "clip art" but decided that since they were wildly customizable within the app, that made no sense and anyway, who cares? Let the voters decide if it works or not.

As far as I can tell, one of the original issues might have been that people wanted to use rococo gold ornate frames, like for Old Masters, fake wood frames, photo-realistic stuff, and that's why the limits were put into the rule. But as long as I've been here that has not seemed to be an issue.

We'd revisit that if people started Sper-Framing their submissions en masse :-)
04/24/2021 05:39:58 AM · #9
Another question on standard editing. Is selective colouring permitted? I've read through the rules and it doesn't say you cannot but can someone clarify please? Many thanks!
04/24/2021 08:32:46 AM · #10
Originally posted by Dorsetgirl:

Another question on standard editing. Is selective colouring permitted? I've read through the rules and it doesn't say you cannot but can someone clarify please? Many thanks!


Yes, any selective adjustments to colors that don't result in a violation of a rule are just fine. If one were to use selective color adjustment to create shapes that appear to be objects in the composition, that would be a no-go, for instance.
04/24/2021 09:58:01 AM · #11
Thank you :)
06/21/2021 03:55:20 AM · #12
One more question about Standard Editing ruleset. Is Life Composite mode that is available in Olympus OM-D cameras legal in Standard? Just to explain how it works, at first background is exposed and stored on the sensor, and then the camera opens the shutter multiple times consequently and replaces the pixels that are brighter than the currently stored image. Everything is done automatically with a single press of a button to start the whole process and another one to end it. After the exposure is finished, a single RAW format image (or a JPEG) is recorded on a flash card.
06/21/2021 12:35:41 PM · #13
That is a good question... I think that this will require some review. In general, the process used to obtain a final result is not considered, only whether the final result is within the rules or not.
What I would suggest is this:
- Take a photo that is representative of what you would expect from this process
- Submit a ticket and attach the RAW file for the image, along with the request to assess legality under Standard Rules.

We will take up the discussion, and should have a consensus in a few days.
06/21/2021 04:45:19 PM · #14
Another question. In standard - Luminar AI has a crop mode where you can change the horizontal or vertical perspective. Is this allowed?
06/21/2021 04:47:28 PM · #15
Originally posted by cloudsme:

Another question. In standard - Luminar AI has a crop mode where you can change the horizontal or vertical perspective. Is this allowed?


In general, changing the perspective is allowed in Standard Editing. No matter which tool you use to do so. Standard is results based, so all that matters is whether the final result is legal.
06/21/2021 06:34:57 PM · #16
Thank You!
06/22/2021 04:06:16 PM · #17
Originally posted by LevT:

One more question about Standard Editing ruleset. Is Life Composite mode that is available in Olympus OM-D cameras legal in Standard? Just to explain how it works, at first background is exposed and stored on the sensor, and then the camera opens the shutter multiple times consequently and replaces the pixels that are brighter than the currently stored image. Everything is done automatically with a single press of a button to start the whole process and another one to end it. After the exposure is finished, a single RAW format image (or a JPEG) is recorded on a flash card.


Lev submitted a ticket with an example of what he is describing. Essentially, the result can be a scene where a single subject is duplicated several times. The Admins/SC have discussed this technique, and have determined that it is not legal in Standard Editing, due to the scene changing between exposures.
Remember that Standard Editing is results-based, meaning that only the final result is used to asses legality, not the process of getting there. That means, in essence, that any technique that combines substantially different scenes, e.g. moving a subject around, is not going to pass muster.
Just wanted to update the public thread with this information for the benefit of all.
06/23/2021 03:07:05 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by LevT:

One more question about Standard Editing ruleset. Is Life Composite mode that is available in Olympus OM-D cameras legal in Standard? Just to explain how it works, at first background is exposed and stored on the sensor, and then the camera opens the shutter multiple times consequently and replaces the pixels that are brighter than the currently stored image. Everything is done automatically with a single press of a button to start the whole process and another one to end it. After the exposure is finished, a single RAW format image (or a JPEG) is recorded on a flash card.


Lev submitted a ticket with an example of what he is describing. Essentially, the result can be a scene where a single subject is duplicated several times. The Admins/SC have discussed this technique, and have determined that it is not legal in Standard Editing, due to the scene changing between exposures.
Remember that Standard Editing is results-based, meaning that only the final result is used to asses legality, not the process of getting there. That means, in essence, that any technique that combines substantially different scenes, e.g. moving a subject around, is not going to pass muster.
Just wanted to update the public thread with this information for the benefit of all.

Thank you Fritz, understood. Just to clarify a little further, if I put my camera in the simple bulb mode and then have my subject move inside the field of view while I intermittently shine light on him in a stroboscopic fashion, will it be legal since in this case it is definitely a single long-exposure shot? But if so, than we are back to the "process matters" approach, since the end result of my actions using that "Live Composite" mode and this "Bulb" mode would be practically indistinguishable

Message edited by author 2021-06-23 15:08:17.
06/23/2021 03:58:55 PM · #19
Just getting back to this thread... per my evaluation of Lev's second image, and it is clearly a legal image. The scene does not change, only the lighting of specific area(s) within the scene. That is legal in Standard.
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