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12/27/2004 02:07:52 AM · #1
Part of the diff in images is he took a 2.5 second exposure at F8. I did 1/5 sec at 3.2. It is hard as hell to get my camera to do f4 or more. One issue i had is i have co cable release option, no remote. Self timer is the only possibility, and i failed to use it.
It's not the equipement, it's the operator comes to mind.
Sigma offers two 70-300 Zooms. I need to do some research, but the one with shots below in this thread is $209, the other $149. Those shots look good to me.
I think I may only get $200-250 for my Fuji. If i get the Tamron 28-80 an either sigma i can use 58mm filters, and get better filters. (2 UV for general protection and 1 circ PL). a Hoya HMC circ PL is some $70. I love my PL...
12/27/2004 01:30:40 AM · #2
well, just wanted to throw the idea out there - who am i to object? ;)

since your budget is pretty tight, it certainly could be wise to get the 50mm 1.8 and see what your needs are from there, knowing that this would be considered a good lens. but, then again, that chips about $75 or so out of your lens budget. the tamron 28-200 might be versatile (around $270 if i remember, maybe i'm wrong), but i'm not sure how its quality is. there is also the 28-300, but that may be a bit expensive for you. i'm wondering if perhaps some of the light scatter difference between your image and his may be due to different apertures, but maybe not (i've never tried to shoot anything like this, so i have no idea how optics respond to these lighting conditions)

Message edited by author 2004-12-27 01:31:25.
12/27/2004 01:15:26 AM · #3
Chris - if you can sell your Fuji and scrape together around $350 US you can get a Tamron 28-300mm that has Macro. Pretty good all around lens for the money.
12/27/2004 01:11:14 AM · #4
Originally posted by brianlh:

Chris, have you considered possibly a 'prosumer' fixed length lens, such as a DSC-F717 or something along those lines? These might offer better quality for the money you're willing to spend. You might actually achieve better optics/pictures with these for a similar price. I just recently sold my F717, but comparing its image quality with that produced so far by my 18-55mm Canon kit's lens, I think I would consider the F717 superior. I just came across this page, while trying to decide which telezoom I should purchase for my newly acquired 300D:

//photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/lenses.html

(The first 3 or so paragraphs of "Which lens should I buy..." brought a point that I hadn't considered before.)

Of course, if you're planning on expanding your lenses sometime down the line, it might be worth it to bite the bullet and just step into the world of SLRs so that you can begin a 'collection' persay.


I have a prosumer camera now - i was heading toward a Rebel last year when a friend bought one and i got his old Fuji 602. I have no real complaints, but it is not a dSLR. I don't use the video mode, and want better pics...for example:
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Ummm...any more questions?
I have a low paying job, 2 kids a mortgage and am going back to school...i can save about $50 a month. I have few options if i want to move up in the world, camera wise.

The site you posted is great - very interesting. The D30 I hope to have by the weekend...but need a lens to use it at all. I like the Tamron 28-80, and for the price it will work until i can afford the canon IS lens. I am willing to 'eat' the $70 if need be, to quote the article you posted "Of course, a cheap kit lens will take better photos than a lens you canít afford and thus donít have."

I may have a buyer for my Fuji, so I can consider other lenses in the 75-300 range. The Canon IS lens is cool,but at $550 it will have to wait. I s'pose i'll get the 50 1.8 and see what I think of a great lens. I suppose it'll be nice for portraits!

I love, LOVE zoom lenses!

With luck, in 2 years i can get a used 20D, and then 2 years after that a new canon, perhaps an affordable 1Ds Mark II descendent.

Message edited by author 2004-12-27 01:11:49.
12/26/2004 08:07:01 PM · #5
Originally posted by pitsaman:

Poor people always are buying twice,that what happened to me :-(


Don't look at it that way, think of it as "upgrading".
12/26/2004 07:47:56 PM · #6
Chris, have you considered possibly a 'prosumer' fixed length lens, such as a DSC-F717 or something along those lines? These might offer better quality for the money you're willing to spend. You might actually achieve better optics/pictures with these for a similar price. I just recently sold my F717, but comparing its image quality with that produced so far by my 18-55mm Canon kit's lens, I think I would consider the F717 superior. I just came across this page, while trying to decide which telezoom I should purchase for my newly acquired 300D:

//photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/lenses.html

(The first 3 or so paragraphs of "Which lens should I buy..." brought a point that I hadn't considered before.)

Of course, if you're planning on expanding your lenses sometime down the line, it might be worth it to bite the bullet and just step into the world of SLRs so that you can begin a 'collection' persay.

Message edited by author 2004-12-26 19:49:14.
12/26/2004 06:18:57 PM · #7


I am addicted to zoom...been using it since 1986 or so on a variety of cameras. Not so sure i can go back....

prime lenses are usually better. 50 1.8 =80 mm on dslr. Let your zoom be your legs, this lens is the best if you dont want to spend a lot of money.
12/26/2004 06:12:13 PM · #8
I was in your situation when I first purchased my DSLR a little over a year ago and I decided to go with the Sigma Kit you were talking about. The 28-80mm and 70-300mm... I think these were well worth the $170 I spent on them. All my challenge entries were taken with these lenses and while they don't produce GREAT quality images, they will certainly get the job done.
12/26/2004 02:10:08 PM · #9
I suggest canon 24-85 USM
great lens, cheap if used
12/26/2004 02:08:14 PM · #10
Don't forget to account for magnification factors. The Canon 50mm f/1.8 is equiv to 80mm on the D30.
12/26/2004 01:57:56 PM · #11
Here is one that is priced at your range. Not as fast as a 1.8 but if you don't need the speed, this is supposed to be very sharp and versitile.

Canon EF 50mm f/2.5 Compact Macro
12/26/2004 01:26:55 PM · #12
Poor people always are buying twice,that what happened to me :-(
12/26/2004 12:52:29 PM · #13
Originally posted by pitsaman:

Cheap lens=bad photos.
Save some money and get wide zoom with straight aperture.

Something like Sigma 18-50 mm at f2.8 EX
Or Tamron 28-75 mm F 2.8.



I see the Tamron 28-75 at B&h for $369.
the Sigma is $500.

I guess you have a different definition of cheap than me! I have a total of $250 to spend!

12/26/2004 12:32:20 PM · #14
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Current thoughts..

tamron 28-80 3.5/5.6 about $80, takes a 58mm filter, macro
sigma 70-300 4.5/5.6 DL, about $150, takes a 58mm filter, macro
canon 50 1.8 soon. $70.

I also get to confuse myself with 3 different lens makers..or get experience with them!

The Canon 75-300 III 4/5.6 is a possibility also. The Sigma offers macor and newer design (i think...)


I don't have personal experience with the Sigma or Tamron choices, but I would stay away from the Canon 75-300. It's OK at/below 200mm, but loses contrast and resolution from 200-300, and again is very slow.
Whatever you do, you should get the 50/1.8, when you see the quality of the putput from this lens (sharpness, color, contrast) you'll have great reference point to judge other glass against. you'll also have a fast lens that will give much more flexibility in low-light situations.
12/26/2004 12:27:45 PM · #15
Cheap lens=bad photos.
Save some money and get wide zoom with straight aperture.

Something like Sigma 18-50 mm at f2.8 EX
Or Tamron 28-75 mm F 2.8.

Sample
Tamron sample

Message edited by author 2004-12-26 12:36:37.
12/26/2004 12:21:48 PM · #16
Current thoughts..

tamron 28-80 3.5/5.6 about $80, takes a 58mm filter, macro
sigma 70-300 4.5/5.6 DL, about $150, takes a 58mm filter, macro
canon 50 1.8 soon. $70.

I also get to confuse myself with 3 different lens makers..or get experience with them!

The Canon 75-300 III 4/5.6 is a possibility also. The Sigma offers macor and newer design (i think...)
12/26/2004 12:04:24 PM · #17
I'll mention KEH, which specializes in used gear. I've purchased from them, and found the experience pleasant. The nice thing about KEH is they honestly rate the condition of the used gear and if you're willing, you can get gear that has the "new" rubbed off and only spend ~3/4 of the new price. If you're really on a budget, their lower categories will yield decent gear at less than 1/2 price, but be aware that they list really crappy consumer lenses (that aren't a bargain at any price) in the lower ratings, so check a review site before buying.

For what it's worth, I am fond of the Tokina AT-X Pro line -- I think it's really under-valued and is usually available quite cheaply compared to Sigma or Canon equivalents.

//www.keh.com

for the home page, and here's the link for the Canon EOS (they call it Autofocus):

//www.keh.com/shop/class.cfm?bid=CE&sid=newused&crid=9510162

for reviews, I like:

//www.photographyreview.com/
12/26/2004 11:56:59 AM · #18
If you are looking for zoom take a look at this one.

//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=163657&is=REG

Sigma 70-300mm APO super II. I really like it.

Here are a couple images with that lens:
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12/26/2004 11:43:11 AM · #19
Canon 50mm f/1.8 for US$69.95
12/26/2004 08:01:31 AM · #20
"The older Canon 80-200 II 4.5-5.6 gets good reviews over at DPReview. It can be found on e-bay for less then $100."

I have that baby too its a nice lens as well heres one taken with it...

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Message edited by author 2004-12-26 08:02:11.
12/26/2004 07:52:34 AM · #21
The older Canon 80-200 II 4.5-5.6 gets good reviews over at DPReview. It can be found on e-bay for less then $100.
12/26/2004 07:48:46 AM · #22
I bought a Tamron AF 28-75mm f2.8 XR Di Zoom a few weeks ago and love it
Spent just over 300.00 A great walk around lens //www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=187&sort=7&thecat=29

The most compact and lightest in the history of fast zoom lenses. Thanks to the revolutionary downsizing "XR" technology employed by Tamron in the development of high-power zoom lenses such as the 28-200mm and 28-300mm, the dramatic compactness that makes this lens the world's smallest and lightest is achieved. Its compactness makes it look and feel like an ordinary standard zoom lens, yet the versatility that a fast constant maximum aperture offers will definitely reshape your photographic horizons.
12/26/2004 04:49:10 AM · #23
Cheap lens "Canon" is an OXYMORON !

EOS stands for "expensive optical system" :-)

Sigma lenses are cheaper versions and work as well...
12/26/2004 04:30:02 AM · #24
just to clarify, there are FD 50/1.8 lenses and there are EF ones as well - not sure if you knew that (maybe you do.. i couldn't tell by your question about them)

Message edited by author 2004-12-26 04:30:15.
12/26/2004 02:39:40 AM · #25
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

I like fast...will I use this lens though? I had a Rollei SLR back in the day (ealry 80s) andit has a 50 or so lens, and i used it alot. I never got the money for a zoom lens...had i had a zoom, would i have used the plain 50 again?


Not sure on your Rollei (nice kit, BTW) but on the D30 I can say without a doubt that you'll keep on using the 50/1.8 It's simply a great little lens... To replace it in a zoom and get the same colour/sharpness/contrast you're looking at a 24-70 F/2.8 L at around 15 times the price... (Or similar non-OEM glass).

I've had my 20D since mid November, and the counter is up to 3000 odd shots. 90% of the 'keepers' have been with the 50 F/1.8, a few from the 90-300 F/4.5-5.6. (at the 90mm end mostly, it's good down there) And maybe 10 from the kit lens.

Just to repeat myself. The 50 F/1.8 is a great lens for the money..

Cheers, Chris H.
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