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02/24/2005 03:40:02 PM · #1
This might be crossposted in the Rants forum if crossposting were possible.

Other technical and compositional issues aside, I've been receiving a number of critical comments focusing on the color and the grain of my submission. I kind of scratch my head at these because both were deliberate--I was trying to replicate the by-now grainy and color-shifted 1970s photographs. Some people understood what I was doing and appreciated it, but most don't. Argh!

I do hope that the winners in this challenge have a fairly accurate representation of something from the 1970's, and are more than just a nod to the trends of that era while being unmistakably from 2005.

Damon
02/24/2005 03:42:16 PM · #2
I agree with you, I been dinged several times in comments about the graininess of my shot, I too did this on purpose - oh well, you cant please the masses all the time!
02/24/2005 03:45:24 PM · #3
I also agree, added some noise for the 70s effect,but people didn't seem to get it!
02/24/2005 03:49:59 PM · #4
I don't understand when most people mark down for grainyness...you have to know that when it is all over the picture in a large quanity it is done artistically. Doesn't grain and noise usually happen in some areas more than others, not all over? Also some noise comes up from compression so in less it is just an all around bad shot that doesn't look like it was artistic I don't mark down for it.
02/24/2005 03:57:30 PM · #5
call me a cynic, but when I read rants like this I tend to think "maybe they just did a crappy job". Maybe it's not that people didn't 'get it', maybe you just didn't do that great of a job. Nastalgic color and grain aside, if the subject and composition are weak, people won't like it.

*tosses two pennies towards screen*


Message edited by author 2005-02-24 16:30:27.
02/24/2005 04:03:37 PM · #6
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

call me a cynic, but when I read rants like this I tend to think "maybe they just did a crappy job". Maybe it's not that people didn't 'get it', maybe you just didn't do that great of a job.


Ah, charitability, benefit of the doubt, how they warm my heart...

02/24/2005 04:13:50 PM · #7
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

*tosses two pennies towards screen*

Implosions represent the rare but spectacular demise of CRT monitors; LCDs may exhibit local anomolies but possess limited resiliency.
02/24/2005 04:19:15 PM · #8
well I don't think I did a "crappy job" (as you call it) otherwise i wouldn't have sent it in,of course I am not an Annie Leibovitz either, but I am here to learn. All I am trying to say here is that sometimes people associate grainyness with bad quality (as somebody pointed it out before)
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

call me a cynic, but when I read rants like this I tend to think "maybe they just did a crappy job". Maybe it's not that people didn't 'get it', maybe you just didn't do that great of a job. Nastalgic color and grain aside, if the subject and composition are weak, people won't like it.

*tosses two pennies towards screen*
02/24/2005 04:23:24 PM · #9
Originally posted by mycelium:

... I've been receiving a number of critical comments focusing on the color and the grain of my submission. I kind of scratch my head at these because both were deliberate...

It is entirely possible voters "got it" but just did not think it was good. This is a general audience, educational photography site. Some things here work and some things don't.
02/24/2005 04:29:51 PM · #10
I'm new to this site and have entered two challenges so far. (I think this is a great site!!!) What I find interesting is I have been getting comments 180 degrees apart. What some people like others don't. I'm sure I fall into the same category. Some entries just don't connect with me. In those cases I mark them down. I probably don't connect with the more "artistic" enties. (Sorry) But then I drive a pick up truck!
02/24/2005 04:38:54 PM · #11
Originally posted by BMacD:

... I probably don't connect with the more "artistic" enties. (Sorry) But then I drive a pick up truck!

Plenty of "artists" drive trucks, I assure you. I've even known a couple who got paid to do so ...
02/24/2005 04:44:11 PM · #12
Originally posted by BMacD:

I'm new to this site ... What I find interesting is I have been getting comments 180 degrees apart. What some people like others don't...


Very common. One person's trash is another person's treasure. The trick is to figure out who is right! :)

Btw, welcome to DPC.
02/24/2005 05:05:35 PM · #13
Some times grainy photos work in a challenge and others don't. I commented on several IMO that didn't work. Nothing personal, but grainy shots rarely do well here.
02/24/2005 06:44:31 PM · #14
This is where you have to choose your path, i believe.

I would say that a professional graphic designer would be able to rack up a much higher score than a professional artist.

You can decide to concentrate on the message you are sending out, the feel you want, the atmosphere that you feel is important; and accept the fact that some people will connect with that, and some wont.

Or, you can decide to focus on the received message; on how your image will be interpreted by the majority. You know that you'll appeal to the masses, and should come out on top.

That's where art can differ from these sorts of competitions - sometimes, the artist aims to evoke a negative respone from the viewer; do that here and you can watch your vote plummet. :o)

02/24/2005 07:00:05 PM · #15
not so! I am a professional graphic designer (even have the degree to prove it lol) but if you don't have the 'eye' being a pro makes no dif... I am also more artsy and have a feeling that most of my images entered will get trashed..but by who? after some of the awful 70's entries I saw... well what can I say? : )
02/25/2005 12:46:23 AM · #16
sorry fotoshootme, allow me to clarify:

i was trying to convey that someone with more of a 'business' perspective (perhaps working in advertising/design) could have a better chance of scoring high than someone with an 'artsy' perspective (traditional artist, etc).
02/25/2005 12:53:11 AM · #17
If we view the "making of images" from some sort of objective plateau, we can see two distinct approaches (aside from the accidental, or snaphsot, approach); "art" and "design". I believe reitsma is correct, in the sense that this site is much more responsive colelctively to design than it is to art. Artists have a vision they want to communicate, and it's the nature of that process that they will only be appreciated by people who at some level share that vision. Designers, on the other hand, identify a target audience and create work "designed" to appeal to that audience.

Guess which works better here?

Robt.

02/25/2005 01:16:54 AM · #18
I rather enjoyed scoring all of the 70's entries, as they afforded me an opportunity to reminisce about my younger days, and the trials and tribulations we were confronted with. I remember the angst my mother felt as her sons went off to war, and how polarized the differnet camps were.

I particularly enjoyed sharing the images with my daughter who was stunned to learn that her daddy the cop knew of "Woodstock" and even had the 3 LP musical soundtrack (...and yes I had to explain LP.

Notwitstanding my limited photographic experience, I did manage to deduce that the grainy images were done on purpose (...albeit sometimes rather poorly) and truly appreciated the efforts made to reproduce something that looked like it might be a 70's survivor.

Nostalgia does not replace good photography,,, but it can bring a sense of satisfaction that perhaps a good photo can't, and that is certainly something to strive for.

Thank you all for your submissions.... for you have rekindled countless fond memories...

Ray
02/25/2005 02:54:45 AM · #19
I just got done with voting, and I could immediately tell the pictures that had done this intentionally, and I'm a novice at all this. I feel for you.
02/25/2005 03:35:52 AM · #20
Originally posted by RayEthier:

I particularly enjoyed sharing the images with my daughter who was stunned to learn that her daddy the cop knew of "Woodstock" and even had the 3 LP musical soundtrack (...and yes I had to explain LP.

Try explaining records without electricity ...

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