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04/06/2005 12:50:43 AM · #1
OK, I just followed up a personal best score with a personal worst, and I never saw it coming. I knew the image wasn't going to ribbon, but I was thinking probably a high 5 score. As legalbeagle observed, this isn't a beautiful image, but it's not supposed to be. I thought the whole idea of Java Man (a prehistoric hominid before Homo Sapiens) actually drinking java would be funny. That was the joke, but the logo on the cup was the real punchline.

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My theory is that many people just glanced at the photo, and saw an ugly person drinking Starbucks coffee. I tried to be over the top with the caveman (the unibrow, the leopard skin, the cave background), and that cup does NOT say Starbucks! The composition was intended to feature the cup prominently right in the middle, where you couldn't possibly miss it... or so I thought.

My question is this: do you think the image was just so bad that most people DID "get it" and voted low anyway, or would a title like, "Before There Was Starbucks" have helped point people's eyeballs at what I thought was so obvious?
04/06/2005 12:57:10 AM · #2
I thought it was creative, funny, and well composed. A title change might have helped for some.
04/06/2005 01:00:50 AM · #3
I simply feel the image was not really observed by the majority. Most of the comment testify to the viewer getting it. This is one of those studies wherein the voters did not really look because of the short span of time. The image requires a second look and the astute observer will realize the message. Ever so often an image just flies right over people's heads.
04/06/2005 01:01:00 AM · #4
The composition was intended to feature the cup prominently right in the middle, where you couldn't possibly miss it... or so I thought.

You know what, I didn't see it! I thought your idea was creative and liked the crumpled cup idea. I gave you an 8. Would I have given you a higher score if I had seen the Saurbucks? Hmmm. Maybe... I think the important thing is that you like it and had fun doing it. My highest score given in the challenge was a 9. I had several of those, and meant to go back and pick my favorite tonight, but I worked late and didn't get a chance.

I liked it, Good work!

2Shay
04/06/2005 01:01:10 AM · #5
Originally posted by scalvert:



My question is this: do you think the image was just so bad that most people DID "get it" and voted low anyway, or would a title like, "Before There Was Starbucks" have helped point people's eyeballs at what I thought was so obvious?


I 'got' it but i just didn't care much for it overall. Humor is just as, if not more, subjective than art itself. Combining the two creates a challenge for the artist and the viewer.
04/06/2005 01:04:23 AM · #6
Guess I'm just a twisted sort, as I loved this shot!
Oh and my hat is off to "Mrs. Scalvert" for having to put up with you...

:)
04/06/2005 01:05:19 AM · #7
I didn't vote in this challenge, but I think I'd have given it a 5. I "get" it, but it took a few extra beats. One thing is the bright cup - it is pretty well centered and draws attention - so much so that I lose the rest of the picture, then I tune into the rest and lose the cup - so I find my brain having to see-saw back and forth to get the whole image. From your notes, I think for me a coconut would have worked better than the paper cup - and maybe a wider shot to get more of the classic hunched back, long armed neanderthal look - again it took me a few extra brain cycles to get the cave-person thing. Anyway, that's my $0.02.
04/06/2005 01:10:16 AM · #8
I gave it a 5. I did get it, although I can't remember if I noticed the difference of the name on the cup. I thought the crop was uncomfortably tight, and the dark area in the background blended in with the hair. I think the composition might have been improved if we could see the entire java man's face displaying yucky teeth. He could have been holding the cup close to the camera on the right side of the picture rather than dead center. Just my thoughts.
04/06/2005 01:12:39 AM · #9
I just got bombed myself as well. The score wasn't that bad, but this time I actually expected it to finish way higher on the rank.
The voters didn't agree with me, LoL!

Here it is.....
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EDIT: sorry for hijacking you thread posting my pic.

Message edited by author 2005-04-06 01:18:47.
04/06/2005 01:13:00 AM · #10
Hi. I could not post my outtakes before because they had my model in them do you think one of these would have done better? please comment on them if you don't mind.. I need all the advice I can get.

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there are more in my portfolio.

Mandy
04/06/2005 01:43:02 AM · #11
Calvert,

It made my top tier, but only on second pass. I missed the "saurbucks" on first pass and had it in second tier as a weak joke. I's suspect that the low score si indicative of a majority of voters missing the "aletered" logo altogether. Perhpas if you hadn't used green, they'd have looked closer? I think seeing that recognizable shape in that recognizable color caused reality to be replaced with a preconception.

heckuva crazy shot dude!

Robt.
04/06/2005 07:59:05 AM · #12
Is this any better? If so, why?

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04/06/2005 08:23:24 AM · #13
I like your entry better Shannon. I just started another thread before I noted this one on unsung greats in this challenge. You was robbed man!
04/06/2005 08:26:49 AM · #14
Originally posted by scalvert:

Is this any better? If so, why?

sorry, shannon, but i don't think there's any hope for this...

changing the title wouldn't have mattered enough to raise you a .5

as usual, image quality, humor, creativity are all there--it's just that the image didn't/doesn't catch what people were looking for in this challenge. even though the blue is dark in tones, it is rich in texture and the concept is universal. most of the other top 20 are light on the eyes and inviting. these two of yours are just hard to get into, and it doesn't help when your competing with 300 other images.

overall, this was a very low-scoring challenge; only the top 71 of 296 hit 5.5 or better!

the only other thing that struck me on these two images was that the lighting seemed very unnatural for a caveman. maybe if you could have gotten your concept across without it seeming too much of a studio shot?
04/06/2005 08:30:19 AM · #15

I'm one of those proverbial "instant" voters. Even so, I enjoyed the humor, creativity and effort that went into your entry and gave it a 7 (the "average" decent photo that meets a challenge routinely gets a 6 from me). Like you said in the opening post, it isn't a beautiful image and not s'posed to be.

I do think the subtilty of the "SAURbucks" cup was easy to miss, and that the title you mentioned of "Before There Was Starbucks" would have gone a long way to illiciting closer looks and a better score. I also think that cropping the bottom so that only two or three fingers were showing makes the cup more prominent and might have helped. (Funny that placing the cup dead center seems to make it LESS prominent -at least to me- because my eye wanders away from it immediately looking for more interest. But I think that when it's lowered, my attention settles there after wandering the edges of the image. My theory, anyway).

Hey, I don't feel TOO sorry for you though since your average score still stands at 6.17+!!! At least now you'll have something to post the next time that someone starts a "Show us your worst image" thread, eh?
04/06/2005 08:33:19 AM · #16
Originally posted by scalvert:

My theory is that many people just glanced at the photo, and saw an ugly person drinking Starbucks coffee. I tried to be over the top with the caveman (the unibrow, the leopard skin, the cave background), and that cup does NOT say Starbucks! The composition was intended to feature the cup prominently right in the middle, where you couldn't possibly miss it... or so I thought.

My question is this: do you think the image was just so bad that most people DID "get it" and voted low anyway, or would a title like, "Before There Was Starbucks" have helped point people's eyeballs at what I thought was so obvious?

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The theory was that as long as the first and last letters were correct, the brain could easily compensate for the rest of the letters being in the wrong place. Maybe you got caught by a combination of something like this and 2 second voting.

The eyes saw it, the brain "corrected" it, the voter moved on.
04/06/2005 08:50:13 AM · #17
Originally posted by bod:

The eyes saw it, the brain "corrected" it, the voter moved on.


A co-worker actually printed out that email 3 days ago to tell me the same thing. I thought the dinosaur logo might be enough to provoke a second glance at the words, but it just didn't happen. I appreciate what skiprow and setzler are saying, but 77 votes of 3 or less? C'mon... wouldn't any prehistoric scene (funny or not) at least meet the challenge of In the Beginning? Granted, it's not especially appealing, but focus, white balance... was it really THAT bad?
04/06/2005 08:52:12 AM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:

but 77 votes of 3 or less? was it really THAT bad?

i guess so ;-) (well, at least to those 77...)

Message edited by author 2005-04-06 08:53:30.
04/06/2005 08:56:50 AM · #19
it's a good concept, technically not bad either.

i think if you had more of a wide angle to show context (ie cave, maybe a cave drawing or something) people wouldn't have skipped over this so fast.

for the record, i didnt score this one. i would have probably given it a 5.

i might have been guilty of not focusing in on the message right away, i tend to go through voting pretty fast. but i do return occasionally to rethink my scores.
04/06/2005 08:57:11 AM · #20
A lesson in what gets good or bad scores, as opposed to a lesson in what is a good or bad idea or photograph, I think! I am experiencing a learning process in connection with my challenge entry on one of the existing challenges - quite a good photo, but not obvious enough and possibly a brown ribbon.
04/06/2005 09:07:06 AM · #21
Originally posted by legalbeagle:

A lesson in what gets good or bad scores, as opposed to a lesson in what is a good or bad idea or photograph, I think!


Indeed, and I thought I had already passed that course. Note to self... rock beats scissors, paper beats rock, visual appeal beats challenge connection, despite "holding the challenge topic in highest regard." How many people would have guessed a simple waterfall would be a winner for In the Beginning? I don't think that's a very strong connection, but the photo is beautiful and the voters were willing to accept it- only one vote below 3. Kudos to Tazza for making that mental leap.
04/06/2005 04:17:06 PM · #22
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LOL, I did notr even realize this sentance was misspelled until I looked at it a 2nd time..
04/06/2005 04:18:08 PM · #23
I think this shot needed too much unravelling and suffered from not being particularly aesthetic at face value. You may have been more successful if you'd carried the artwork through even further, like putting the logo on a 'stone' cup, cave-painting style - leaving people with a clear chronological placement of the subject.

Sometimes it's worth considering the photo's appeal outside of the challenge too which could add longevity to the artistic merits of your shot.
04/06/2005 04:20:58 PM · #24
By Your own comments, You knew when you entered. I gave a high score and thought you'd do better.
04/06/2005 04:52:57 PM · #25
Originally posted by neophyte:

By Your own comments, You knew when you entered.


A "low score" to me would have been a 5.5. A score under 5 wasn't even on the radar screen.

Message edited by author 2005-04-06 17:07:13.
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