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04/10/2003 02:05:21 PM · #1
My friend just got dissapointed when he commented or gave his opinion on the challenge...he recvd so many personal emails from the dpchallenge members...most of them mad at him or even wrote some irritating messages...are we free to give comments, suggestion or opinions here..or are you willing to accept comments bad or wrong.

he showed me all the comments he recvd from the members, since he start joining the challenge...he also recvd not so favorable comments but he take it and he's happy with the comments and he told me that he's learning from you guys. he also told me that he might stop submitting his entry because of the comments he recvd from the dp and he's so dissapointed.

i hope some of the members will accept any comments from their entries...just be cool guys...its a challenge ..its not a fight.

thank you so much...
04/10/2003 02:08:38 PM · #2
you're right..
04/10/2003 02:21:59 PM · #3
I definately agree with you. It bothers me beause I like to get comments about what people didn't like about my pictures - it is the best way to learn. However people very rarely say anything negative and I think that is because people are afraid they will get irritating messages like your friend got. People need to learn to deal with critisism. I think we need a box that people can check when they sumbit a photo that says if they would like real, honest feedback or if they would only like to hear nice things becauase they are too sensitive.
04/10/2003 02:26:53 PM · #4
kelly, good point. the idea of this place is to recieve criticism...good or bad. If people don't want the bad then they should only show their pics to their friends and family.
On my comments, I always start with what I liked about the photo. Then I mention the things that they could have improved on, and hopefully give a remedy/fix, that will help them. Sometimes, you don't think of things when you are shooting, and then the next time...Hey!! I could try this instead. That is what this has done for me so far. I tend to look at/for things I didn't before.
04/10/2003 02:34:39 PM · #5
...My friend just got dissapointed when he commented or gave his opinion on the challenge...he recvd so many personal emails from the dpchallenge member

Since he is getting SO many negative responses to his remarks I wonder if it's the way he is stating his opinion? Maybe he is being harsh? Maybe he can add some + statements to soften his comments.
You are correct that we should not get berated/beat over the head if we don't like a shot. It's the voters opinion. Some need to toughen up and not take remarks too personally.




04/10/2003 02:38:26 PM · #6
I agree that we have to accept any criticism as constructive. I made my
first submission in the color challenge and the comments have been helpful.
I plan to continue to submit photographs and expect to learn and improve my
photography.
04/10/2003 02:40:14 PM · #7
very well said justine...lets just enjoy the challenge and learn from it. honestly this site helps me in some ways. Iraq is too much...peace be with you guys...be cool.
04/10/2003 02:50:00 PM · #8
Finally I can speak up! People here are all evil! :) Every week I submit my pride and joy only to have my heart ripped out and repeatedly jumped on. :)

Seriously though, I also appreciate constructive critisism more. I have learned a lot since joining DPC, and most of it from the ´´negative`` comments. Don't get me wrong, I love ´´Nice Photo`` comments too, nice to know someone else appreciates my labour.
04/10/2003 02:52:08 PM · #9
I've been a member for a couple of weeks now, so my experience is limited, but for the most part the comments I've gotten on my photos have been respectful, kind, and very helpful. Critical comments are helpful if they aren't rude or spiteful, and I think most commenters really do want to help. That is much appreciated, by me anyway. I think DPC is generally a supportive community.
04/10/2003 03:01:43 PM · #10
Once again I find myself posting to a thread about comments. I don't mind getting comments. What I really mind though are the comments that are nothing but rude simply sayin what they don't like, every photo whether good or bad has to have something good about it if you are going to point out something bad then point out something good to, or if you simply don't like something and are willing to rip into someone elses work with pointing out all the mistakes in the photo then you should also be willing to offer suggestions on how to fix it. If you can say something is wrong with a photo then also take the time to say how to fix it. If you can't offer a suggestion on how to fix it then you aren't informed enough to tell the person what is wrong!
04/10/2003 03:02:30 PM · #11
I also agree. Mainly with the topic of people being respectful with constructive critisism. I receive a private message just today from someone who appreciated the comment I gave and it was pretty much a "this picture could be improved if..." comment. I personally try to take something from all the comments made on my submissions. The reason we are all here is to grow as photographers by way of friendly competition, isn't it?
04/10/2003 03:22:04 PM · #12
I agree with everyone. Comments I can't stand are these kinds: this one just doesn't hold my interest though, Did you do this on purpose? Because if you didn't you just lost points. . .if you did, sorry .....

See? I think this is not constructive and just meaningless...

I don't if someone has have negative comments but at least say why and in a respectful way.
04/10/2003 03:39:42 PM · #13
I want to see the comments your friend is making before I jump into this.
04/10/2003 03:48:22 PM · #14
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:

I agree with everyone. Comments I can't stand are these kinds: this one just doesn't hold my interest though, Did you do this on purpose? Because if you didn't you just lost points. . .if you did, sorry .....

See? I think this is not constructive and just meaningless...

I don't if someone has have negative comments but at least say why and in a respectful way.


Yeah! Those are pointless to make...I had one last week that was pointless and I replyed to his comment and after pointing out what I was trying to acheive with the photo and how I didn't appreciate the comment made he took a second look and commented again and this time he was not so cruel with his comment.
04/10/2003 04:05:12 PM · #15
I'll admit to making some harsh comments. I get angry when I think people snap a photo from the subway on their way home on Sunday evening. I'm not saying I spend 30 hours composing my shots or looking for them - but if someone takes an obvious snapshot, does nothing to it and it's crap, I'm going to tell them:

"looks like a snapshot, put a bit of time into your pictures if you want to submit, looks like crap."

*shrug* I do this on maybe one or two pics a week and nobody's emailed me rude things, so - I can't imagine what your friend is saying on people's pics! lol

Likewise - I put a lot of comments on pics I don't find interesting and tell the person why not. If everyone just refreshes their score and nobody comments, we waste half the day bitching about our score and very little time making comments and looking at other people's work.

You know what? At least half the photos in this challenge kicked my butt. If I can figure out why and how, less than half will do it next time.

M
04/10/2003 04:53:29 PM · #16
Originally posted by mavrik:



"looks like a snapshot, put a bit of time into your pictures if you want to submit, looks like crap."

Likewise - I put a lot of comments on pics I don't find interesting and tell the person why not.


M


That first remark is downright RUDE and INSULTING unless you know exactly what that person was trying to acheive and I'm pretty sure you don't have ESP. Sometimes photos appear to be a snapshot and really aren't.

However your second comment is exactly what is needed! Pointing out what is wrong and telling the person what might be done to make it better. That is being constructive!
04/10/2003 05:12:57 PM · #17
I don't understand this whole "know exactly what the photographer was trying to achieve" thing. I don't think that the point is what they were trying to achieve, it's what they did achieve. I don't think pictures are intended to come with a page of explanations on intentions. I'm not saying that cruel comments are necessary or anything, but it's not really the responsibility of the viewer to shut up until they've been explained the exact intentions of the photographer.
04/10/2003 05:28:36 PM · #18
knowing what was trying to be acheived is being educated...a fine example might be a portrait of a child that the focus was slightly soft on the photo. To some it might appear to be out of focus and just not all that appreciated, when the photographer actually wanted a softer focus to make the photo appear slightly dreamy...which I have happened to me more than once here where a photo purposely was taken with soft focus was critisized for being out of focus...HELLO it's intentional!

When that happens I would love to go through the challenge and find photos that I don't like and be just as judgemental those photos, but when that happens I instead of making comments and lowering myself to that level I close dpchallenge and walk away...just like right now if I was to go making comments on photos they wouldn't be nice at all so I won't make any comments cause I am annoyed at the very fact that people now OPENLY admit to taking frustrations out on others by making rude and unnecessary comments...hey I got an idea lets start a new challenge each week and if we don't like a comment we can vote that person as the TROLL of the week! Might make a few people think before taking the frustrations out on others!
04/10/2003 05:35:36 PM · #19
Originally posted by niwedimages:

My friend just got dissapointed when he commented or gave his opinion on the challenge...he recvd so many personal emails from the dpchallenge members...most of them mad at him or even wrote some irritating messages...are we free to give comments, suggestion or opinions here..or are you willing to accept comments bad or wrong.


Personally I prefer, and try to give, constructive criticism. I try to suggest corrections for things I see wrong, but also try to find the good in any picture and point that out also.

However, when I comments like, "This picture really sux!" I tend not to think highly of the reviewer. I usually do not respond, because I don't see a point to it. (Are they really going to say, "My gosh! You're right! Your picture is amazing!"? I rather think not.)
04/10/2003 05:40:53 PM · #20
There is no debating the fact that people have their opinions and like to state them, point taken. But there is absolutely no reason for someone not to take a little extra time to make a useful comment. Even if the picture is considered poor from any photographic or artistic point of view. Remember, there are some young kids that post here and to them it was the best picture they've ever taken. Or some people might have "lesser quality" digi-cams that don't necesasrily take good quality pics despite the effort placed in composition.

That being said, the "Comment" field is just that...a place for comments. It doesn't designate a place for positive or negative comments. So you can comment as you choose but let's just leave the rude comments for the "Rant" forum.
04/10/2003 05:52:57 PM · #21
I will have to say that I have gotten numerous emails from people whoís pictures I have made comments on. I canít recall a single one being negative towards me for leaving a comment. All the people who have responded to my comments seem to be appreciative that I took the time to leave a comment which makes me want to leave more comments in the future. The way I try to do my commenting is to just comment on the first pictures I see, good or bad. I force myself to comment on the pictures even if I really donít like them and I donít feel like it. I feel like this forces me to find the good in these pictures and to spend more time figuring out what they are all about. Sometimes I suggest quite a few changes and I feel like I am pointing out an awful lot of things that I think are wrong. On more than one occasion I was a bit afraid to leave the comment but I always have so no nasty replies so far. I have just tried to put into words what I would have done if it was my picture and I have been genuinely trying to be helpful. I donít think I really had a message here, just wanted to comment on what my experience has been. I think if I was getting a lot of nasty emails from people I probably wouldnít comment any more either.

Greg
04/10/2003 06:06:29 PM · #22
did you get my email dadas115?

Message edited by author 2003-04-10 18:06:41.
04/10/2003 06:21:18 PM · #23
[quote=OneSweetSin]...every photo whether good or bad has to have something good about it...

i don't know, i remember this one picture with a fake cat cut in half...i still wince when i think about it...however, even something like that is not an invitation for anything less than a civilized comment... behind every submission stands a regular person, just like you and me...
04/10/2003 06:55:41 PM · #24
Originally posted by basia03:

[quote=OneSweetSin]...every photo whether good or bad has to have something good about it...

i don't know, i remember this one picture with a fake cat cut in half...i still wince when i think about it...however, even something like that is not an invitation for anything less than a civilized comment... behind every submission stands a regular person, just like you and me...


Ok fake cat cut in half...ummm errr ok can't think of anything nice to say about that nicest thing I can think of is EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
04/10/2003 07:08:14 PM · #25
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

knowing what was trying to be acheived is being educated...a fine example might be a portrait of a child that the focus was slightly soft on the photo. To some it might appear to be out of focus and just not all that appreciated, when the photographer actually wanted a softer focus to make the photo appear slightly dreamy...


The problem with this is that none of us can see the intentions of the photographer because the description/comments field is not available during voting. Actually - it doesn't seem as though many people use this field to describe their intentions.

The only thing we as voters can do is assume the photographer had an intent to meet the challenge they entered. We can only judge based upon that. And I think it is a legitimate comment to say "Soft focus here does not work for me" or something to that affect. If the person meant to have soft focus they can ignore the comment. If they didn't mean to have soft focus they might learn something.

We are (for the most part) adults here - Take what good you can from the comments you receive. Ignore comments made that are not helpful. It is as simple as that.
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