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03/07/2006 10:52:44 AM · #251
Originally posted by jadin:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by jadin:

As far as theft is concerned, simple solution is 800 only available to paying members.

Theft isn't only an internal issue but external as well. Anyone on the planet can view our images, save or print them.

How is it an external issue if only paying members can view the images at the larger size?

How would you implement this? Have a script resize to 640 for everyone else, and force the photographer to either shoot at 640 or lose control of resizing their own image?

Originally posted by coolhar:

Statements like "It's 2006" or "let's come out of the dark ages" are not really anything more than slogans, not convincing reasons.

Exactly - if anything, trends are tending towards smaller resolutions, because of smaller, lighter laptops becoming popular with smaller screens that would look stupid at higher res.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Worried about theft issue. (there are microstock sites out there already that accept 600px images)

While this may be a far more realistic case of image theft than people making illicit prints from your low-res files, i am personally tempted to say they're welcome to it. If there are microstock sites that will gladly pay for a 640 pixel wide image without even asking for a larger original, then the thieves are likely to be making such a pittance from selling my photos that i almost feel sorry for them. More money is changing hands when i give pocket change to a beggar in the street, and at least in that instance i actually LOSE money rather than just have someone make money from my photo.
03/07/2006 11:04:32 AM · #252
Originally posted by riot:

If there are microstock sites that will gladly pay for a 640 pixel wide image without even asking for a larger original, then the thieves are likely to be making such a pittance from selling my photos that i almost feel sorry for them.


I hear they pay $.20 per download. :o
03/07/2006 11:15:25 AM · #253
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Wouldn't that require automated/computed resizing of images? If yes, it's definitely a NO from me. ;^)


See below.

Originally posted by riot:

Originally posted by jadin:

How is it an external issue if only paying members can view the images at the larger size?

How would you implement this? Have a script resize to 640 for everyone else, and force the photographer to either shoot at 640 or lose control of resizing their own image?


If it was me personally? I'd have users be able to submit at both sizes (or even require it). This would only be a couple extra steps processing, but more importantly give the photog complete control over the results. Which all goes back to researching how much extra cost having both sizes available would be. (kind of dependent on the cost)

- for those who submit at the last minute and say "but that would take an extra 5 minutes and I'd miss the deadline" I say "That's a personal problem, if the deadline were a whole week later you'd still be submitting at the last minute."

Originally posted by riot:

Exactly - if anything, trends are tending towards smaller resolutions, because of smaller, lighter laptops becoming popular with smaller screens that would look stupid at higher res.


Well you're right to a degree, but forgetting a key factor. Resolutions aren't getting smaller, the screens that display them are. As technology advances, more and more pixels will be packed into the screens. Meaning resolution will be just as useful on a 2" screen as it is on a 21".

I think if we tried hard enough all the problems people have with this topic can be addressed. I find it disheartening that people are so avidly against it just because they can't see a solution.

Message edited by author 2006-03-07 11:17:13.
03/07/2006 11:16:08 AM · #254
Originally posted by bluenova:

I think a lot of people who vote at work on 1024x768 screens will stop voting if the size is increased without giving the option to view at a lower res.


If it doesn't fit on my screen...

"Pic to big. can't see it all, so i see a bad crop. 2"

Are you ready?? My 2 button needs more work!
03/07/2006 11:26:28 AM · #255
Originally posted by jadin:

... If it was me personally? I'd have users be able to submit at both sizes (or even require it). This would only be a couple extra steps processing, but more importantly give the photog complete control over the results. ...

More work for the photographer, and substantially more work for coding this potential update to DPChallenge.

03/07/2006 11:44:53 AM · #256
Originally posted by jadin:

Originally posted by riot:

Exactly - if anything, trends are tending towards smaller resolutions, because of smaller, lighter laptops becoming popular with smaller screens that would look stupid at higher res.


Well you're right to a degree, but forgetting a key factor. Resolutions aren't getting smaller, the screens that display them are. As technology advances, more and more pixels will be packed into the screens. Meaning resolution will be just as useful on a 2" screen as it is on a 21".


No, i'm not forgetting anything, you missed my point entirely. If i had the same resolution (1600x1200) on the 3" screen on my handheld as i do on one of my 21" CRTs, i wouldn't be able to use that handheld very well without a microscope. There are 10" laptop screens available now that can show 1600x1200, but very few people use them at that resolution, because it's simply such a strain on the eyes to make anything out - either that or you have to increase the text size lots to make the internet in general readable, which defeats the point of running at a higher res anyway, especially when you're squinting to make out images.

Resolution hit a ceiling many years ago - i have a monitor capable of running 1600x1200 made in 1986. Twenty years later, that's still the maximum res for most good CRTs - not because people can't make pixels smaller, but because nobody would want to pay for more detail than they can actually see.

My point is, this isn't going to change - regardless of monitor size, people will choose to view between 72 to 100 pixels per inch. It's no coincidence that 640x427 pixel images are so popular, considering the popularity of 6"x4" prints.
03/07/2006 11:55:30 AM · #257
I see your point now riot.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by jadin:

... If it was me personally? I'd have users be able to submit at both sizes (or even require it). This would only be a couple extra steps processing, but more importantly give the photog complete control over the results. ...

More work for the photographer, and substantially more work for coding this potential update to DPChallenge.


If you do your editing on the full sized original and are only doing minor changes (usm etc) on the final sized image I really don't see how this is more work. It would take about a minute extra to produce both versions.

Don't know what programs you use to design or code but I don't see how it's substantially more work for coding. It'd be the same as any other update.

I've got it! We have a civil war, and finally decide to split the site, one for 800, the other 640. One side gets D, the other L. Then we can all have the dpc we want.

Incase the above isn't obvious enough, it is sarcasm.
03/07/2006 01:37:21 PM · #258
I oppose the 800x change and here is why:

a) already voting a whole challenge is a challenge

b) people already downvote an image if it is smaller than 640x even though that is expressed the "maximum" size and not the minimum. I can see it now, you post a 640x instead of a 800x and automatically get a 3.0 vote.

c) sure most of us are on broadband but not everyone is

d) I have broadband DSL and I already find myself having to wait for the page to re-load for each photo. I'd much prefer to have the page load like 4 images at a time, vote for the 4 then hit next.
03/07/2006 01:58:16 PM · #259
Over time, monitors and screens will get better and better, storage and bandwidth will get cheaper. Why not have DPC keep pace? I say every week we increase the max by 1 pixel - in about 3 years we would be at 800 by 800.
03/07/2006 02:26:17 PM · #260
i could care less about what size the photos are just get that stupid poll outta the way! its interfering with my update button!
03/07/2006 02:39:57 PM · #261
I fear that when I submit 640x640 pics I will be voted down because they are smaller than the 'standard'.


03/07/2006 03:10:55 PM · #262
Originally posted by jadin:

... If you do your editing on the full sized original and are only doing minor changes (usm etc) on the final sized image I really don't see how this is more work. It would take about a minute extra to produce both versions. ...

Depends on if you are doing borders or not. Usually it's best to do final sharpening before applying borders. So in your case you would resize your image to 6xx, sharpen, apply the border(s), save as JPG (watching file size limits). Undo the borders, undo the sharpen, undo the resize, then resize again to 7xx, sharpen, apply border(s), save as JPG (perhaps different compression ratio this time?). This is assuming that you apply borders without changing the canvas size - then the process would be a bit different. Point is - it's not "about a minute" process for submitting two different images.

Originally posted by jadin:

... Don't know what programs you use to design or code but I don't see how it's substantially more work for coding. It'd be the same as any other update. ...

The proposal you've put forth would require conditional statements based on user choice or status to display the challenge entries in one format or another, each of which requires some differences in configuration/design. Making a choice, one way or the other (640 vs 800) is a straight-forward upgrade. Adding conditions isn't the "same as any other update". It's obviously no skin off my nose. I was just making an observation of what's being asked of D&L.
03/07/2006 03:12:13 PM · #263
I haven't seen anyone post pictures yet of what the change would look like. My 19" CRT is currently at 1280x1024

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Edit to add monitor size

Message edited by author 2006-03-07 15:15:55.
03/07/2006 03:12:30 PM · #264
Originally posted by queanbeez:

i could care less about what size the photos are just get that stupid poll outta the way! its interfering with my update button!

I hear ya! That scrolling business is for the birds isn't it? ;^)
03/07/2006 03:14:36 PM · #265
Originally posted by Ram21:

I haven't seen anyone post pictures yet of what the change would look like. My display is currently at 1280x1024. ...

17", 19", 21" ???
03/07/2006 03:15:06 PM · #266
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Ram21:

I haven't seen anyone post pictures yet of what the change would look like. My display is currently at 1280x1024. ...

17", 19", 21" ???


19" CRT
03/07/2006 03:30:00 PM · #267
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by queanbeez:

i could care less about what size the photos are just get that stupid poll outta the way! its interfering with my update button!

I hear ya! That scrolling business is for the birds isn't it? ;^)


Yes please! :) Also, lets keep the file dimensions the way it is now. The negatives far out weight the one small positive gained from changing it.

Message edited by author 2006-03-07 15:31:14.
03/07/2006 03:31:27 PM · #268
I haven't read throught the whole thread so someone else may have said this but I have an idea.

Is it possible to increase the image size to the 800x800 but maybe in your profile you can select to turn it on, that way everyone with dial up or scrolling issues could still only see the photos at a max 640x640 size.
03/07/2006 03:53:22 PM · #269
Originally posted by Gurilla:

I haven't read throught the whole thread so someone else may have said this but I have an idea.

Is it possible to increase the image size to the 800x800 but maybe in your profile you can select to turn it on, that way everyone with dial up or scrolling issues could still only see the photos at a max 640x640 size.

It's most of what has been said/discussed on the current page you just posted to.
03/07/2006 04:21:28 PM · #270
Originally posted by theSaj:

I have broadband DSL and I already find myself having to wait for the page to re-load for each photo. I'd much prefer to have the page load like 4 images at a time, vote for the 4 then hit next.


This raises an issue that's tangential, but maybe worth a look - would precaching images in the voting stage help assuage the one-window-only requirement to the new voting system? Seems like it might help. I could imagine someone loading up an image to vote, going away and having lunch, and then being able to breeze through the next 50 images because they've all already been cached.
03/07/2006 04:41:38 PM · #271
Originally posted by DrJOnes:


c) 1024x768 is the screen resolution standard nowadays, and many people are even on a larger resolution than that.


Just because you have a resolution that high or higher doesn't mean you can see the whole image on your screen without scrolling. I have 1024x768 at work but have to scroll vertically to see 640x640 images even with the menu and toolbars turned off in the browser.
03/07/2006 04:45:22 PM · #272
If something like that was done, I'd be much more in favor of 800x800

As it stands, I do not find it a necessity. I've reviewed several postings of this vs that images, 640x vs 800x and in truth, although there is some slight loss of detail. It was not anything significant. I still saw all the aspects my view and opinion of photos were similar. (Actually, in one of the case I preferred the smaller version over the larger.)

So that is not a convincing argument for me....
03/07/2006 05:22:02 PM · #273
Originally posted by jadin:

Originally posted by bluenova:

Originally posted by jadin:

Am I not explaining this clear enough? Paying members would view your images at 800x(700/800). Everyone else would still be able to view them at 640x640.

Ah I see, sorry. I think I would still prefer an option on the profile (perhaps only for paid members) to be able to view 640 or 800.


Exactly what I want!


Question: If you were entering an image that looked considerably better at one size than at the other, and it was for an Open challenge, which size do you aim at in your editing and resizing? Do you aim to please the member voters with an 800 image, or do you cut it down to 640 where most of the voters will be viewing it?

Get the point?

Auto-resizing should not be considered as a serious proposal for images that are going to be voted upon.

Forgetaboutit.
03/07/2006 09:47:20 PM · #274
Originally posted by coolhar:

Question: If you were entering an image that looked considerably better at one size than at the other, and it was for an Open challenge, which size do you aim at in your editing and resizing? Do you aim to please the member voters with an 800 image, or do you cut it down to 640 where most of the voters will be viewing it?

Get the point?

Auto-resizing should not be considered as a serious proposal for images that are going to be voted upon.

Forgetaboutit.


My "wish" is for both sizes. Not server resized. So this is a mute point. I realize there is a lot to read, but I've been repeating myself since post one.
03/07/2006 09:58:07 PM · #275
640 is fine.. there are many problems (already mentioned here) associated with going to 800. even at 1024x768 I need to scroll down to vote sometimes...
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