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04/28/2005 06:35:39 PM · #76
Originally posted by glad2badad:


Now if the file size goes up...nobody has says it would or wouldn't, just a suggestion...well I'm screwed there because cable is not available where I live (am I alone or do others have the same problem?), DSL isn't a option at all. Satellite may be viable but the start up cost (installation, etc...) is prohibitive (Internet capable dish and hook-up are different than TV), and the monthly expense for service is double what I pay for dial-up.


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04/28/2005 08:30:04 PM · #77
Originally posted by kyebosh:

I actually find myself already scrolling with the current restriction... even at 1024 x 768. This IE program takes up too much space and even full screened it doesn't like to let the photos quite fit. I suppose i could use f11 all the time but really, i don't like to go outside my normal browsing setup. Change is bad.

Using IE on a 1024x768 monitor can show an entire 640 high image all at once, and without hitting the F11 button. But you have to arrange your bars just right. And the present layout on the dpc voting page requires you to scroll to see the whole image.
04/28/2005 08:31:39 PM · #78
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by kyebosh:

I actually find myself already scrolling with the current restriction... even at 1024 x 768. This IE program takes up too much space and even full screened it doesn't like to let the photos quite fit. I suppose i could use f11 all the time but really, i don't like to go outside my normal browsing setup. Change is bad.

Using IE on a 1024x768 monitor can show an entire 640 high image all at once, and without hitting the F11 button. But you have to arrange your bars just right. And the present layout on the dpc voting page requires you to scroll to see the whole image.


The voting page layout does take up quite a bit of vertical real estate. It would definitely have to be addressed before images higher than 640px would be viable.
04/28/2005 08:37:06 PM · #79
On 1024x768, even with f11, one already has to scroll to see all of a 640px tall image. Surely the point is that na 800px tall image wouldn't ever fit on screen?

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edit: I mean scroll down a bit after the image appears - that seems to be what people are referring to, rather than having to scroll up and down continuously.

Message edited by author 2005-04-28 20:37:56.
04/28/2005 08:49:14 PM · #80
Originally posted by e301:

On 1024x768, even with f11, one already has to scroll to see all of a 640px tall image. Surely the point is that na 800px tall image wouldn't ever fit on screen?

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edit: I mean scroll down a bit after the image appears - that seems to be what people are referring to, rather than having to scroll up and down continuously.


I think the jist of the discussion on vertical space can be distilled down to:
1.) An 800px tall image can't fit on a 768px-tall screen, obviously.
2.) The max width and max height don't need to be the same
3.) A 640px tall or even 720px image could be displayed without need to scroll in full-screen (F11) mode, if vertical space were carefully managed. There is only 31px of vertical space taken up by the IE menu bar when in full-screen mode.
4.) In order to make this work, the layout of the voting page would need to be optimized for making use of the vertical space.
04/28/2005 08:58:15 PM · #81
Originally posted by kirbic:

The voting page layout does take up quite a bit of vertical real estate. It would definitely have to be addressed before images higher than 640px would be viable.


Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think anything taller than 640 can be viable on 1024x768. By viable I am assumeing you mean that the entire image can be seen all at once without scrolling and without using the F11 button. Rearranging the voting page layout could make it so that you would not need to scroll to get to the point where the entire image is displayed. But you still couldn't get an 800 tall image on your screen all at once, maybe you could squeeze it up to 650 or 660.

We will be losing the ability to use square images in the challenges, but probably people will think that is no big loss.
04/28/2005 08:59:31 PM · #82
Originally posted by alansfreed:

A couple folks have mentioned this... but I'm really curious to see an example. I've seen shots here and there where .jpg artificats have been an issue, but I can't recall seeing one where the photographer submitted it while taking advantage of the 150K limit.

The shots that are affected by .jpg artifacts come from folks that don't use compression properly, and wind up uploading 30K files, and so forth. I'd love to see an example of a 150k shot that suffers from poor .jpg resolution...!

Originally posted by hyperfocal:

Just to throw in my $.02, I think a better suggestion would be to up the file size limit to say 200k is more important than a size increase (which I also support). i see many photos that suffer from compression artifacting.


I've had exactly two images that were basically impossible to compress well, while staying within 150k. If you hit the 51%/50% threshold in photoshop, there is a step change in quality - 51% was 151k, 50% was 120k.

It does happen, just not very often, and only on larger images (640x640 types). If we go to 720x720 or 800x800 it will certainly become a more frequent problem - basically a larger size would require a step up to 200k max file sizes as well.
04/28/2005 08:59:59 PM · #83
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by kirbic:

The voting page layout does take up quite a bit of vertical real estate. It would definitely have to be addressed before images higher than 640px would be viable.


Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think anything taller than 640 can be viable on 1024x768. By viable I am assumeing you mean that the entire image can be seen all at once without scrolling and without using the F11 button. Rearranging the voting page layout could make it so that you would not need to scroll to get to the point where the entire image is displayed. But you still couldn't get an 800 tall image on your screen all at once, maybe you could squeeze it up to 650 or 660.

We will be losing the ability to use square images in the challenges, but probably people will think that is no big loss.


The F11 key is your friend...
04/28/2005 09:02:41 PM · #84
To clarify, actually I was referring to what would fit vertically when using "F11" full screen mode. In that mode, the only "wasted" vertical space is the 31px toolbar across the top of the screen. In theory, a 737px image would fit below it, with no extra space.
04/28/2005 09:03:11 PM · #85
I'm definitely for it. Also, and even more emphatically, for portfolio entries. Why can't those be bigger than 640x480!!!!!

How about a poll?
04/28/2005 09:15:14 PM · #86
Well, it could still be squared, but not at the max limit.

Originally posted by coolhar:

...We will be losing the ability to use square images in the challenges, but probably people will think that is no big loss.

04/28/2005 09:18:10 PM · #87
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Well, it could still be squared, but not at the max limit.

Originally posted by coolhar:

...We will be losing the ability to use square images in the challenges, but probably people will think that is no big loss.

I stand corrected.
04/28/2005 09:28:23 PM · #88
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Even at 640 with a 19" (1280 x 1024 resolution) monitor you can barely fit the image in the viewing area.


If you're running 1280x1024 and a 640 pixel image barely fits in your viewing area then you've got too much junk on your browser. At that resolution an 800 pixel tall image should fit in your browser with room to spare for the voting.
04/28/2005 09:41:12 PM · #89
Here's an idea, We could change or add the option for the whole challenge process and compete in pixel resolution divisions. It would be like boxing, The light weights with their low tech camera phone email equivient resolution, the middle weights with TV style picture tube monitors and Heavy weights at the top with $500.00 LCD Flat Panels.


04/28/2005 10:23:26 PM · #90
I don't know why we can't have one challenge allowing the larger size and then go back to 640, compile feedback from polls & forums and the SC can decide.

I don't care that much either way, but I do enjoy watching the debates. :)

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04/28/2005 11:49:26 PM · #91
My vote would be to give it a go. Kirbic is great with details, I'm sure he can arrange the voting screen and find the most tolerable maximum dimensions (assuming F11 usage - no reason not to use it while looking at pics IMO). With that I say try it for a challenge or two and see what happens. I'm fairly certain the sky will not fall (at least not because of this).
04/29/2005 12:04:50 AM · #92
How about a poll?
04/29/2005 12:59:24 AM · #93
Originally posted by kpriest:

I don't know why we can't have one challenge allowing the larger size and then go back to 640, compile feedback from polls & forums and the SC can decide.

I don't care that much either way, but I do enjoy watching the debates. :)

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Hehehehehehe That image is just too funny!
04/29/2005 11:22:16 AM · #94
Originally posted by kirbic:



I think the jist of the discussion on vertical space can be distilled down to:
1.) An 800px tall image can't fit on a 768px-tall screen, obviously.
2.) The max width and max height don't need to be the same
3.) A 640px tall or even 720px image could be displayed without need to scroll in full-screen (F11) mode, if vertical space were carefully managed. There is only 31px of vertical space taken up by the IE menu bar when in full-screen mode.
4.) In order to make this work, the layout of the voting page would need to be optimized for making use of the vertical space.


This indeed seems to be the main points of the issue.

Except for one thing:
Vertical size limit does not have to be limited to 720. There is another way it could be done to accomodate 800 pixels vertical size; but it may not be the best solution: a new window. You see, if you click on the challenge, it could bring up a new window that doesn't have the top icons and menus usually displayed at the top of the browser. This way, you gain a lot of space and can easylly fit an 800 pixels vertical image on the screen without the need to scroll.

This is just a possibility. Limiting vertical size to 720 is also a good solution to avoid scrolling.

Martin
04/29/2005 11:23:07 AM · #95
Originally posted by nshapiro:

I'm definitely for it. Also, and even more emphatically, for portfolio entries. Why can't those be bigger than 640x480!!!!!


And why stop that? How about having the possibility to upload portfolio imgages even higher than 800? Just a thought. ;-)

Martin
04/29/2005 11:27:22 AM · #96
I would welcome the larger size format. Most of my work is of a busy nature and the details are all too often missed in the smaller format.
04/29/2005 11:29:12 AM · #97
Originally posted by DrJOnes:

There is another way it could be done to accomodate 800 pixels vertical size; but it may not be the best solution: a new window. You see, if you click on the challenge, it could bring up a new window that doesn't have the top icons and menus usually displayed at the top of the browser.


Just to note, this would cause chaos for browsers with pop-up blockers
04/29/2005 11:47:10 AM · #98
Originally posted by colda:


Just to note, this would cause chaos for browsers with pop-up blockers


One simple click will allow all popups from the domain name www.dpchallenge.com .

That said, I can see and understand the cons of using a popup window to vote on the challenges.

Martin
04/29/2005 11:50:08 AM · #99
Dertay - I'm actually at 1152x864. Yesterday I was at the office and trying to remember my settings...and before you take me to task on that one I believe I mentioned as such in an earlier post. ;^)

However, even at 1152x864 I'm above the norm for most viewers that use 1024x768. The results I'm getting on this 19" monitor for a 640 pixel high image is: ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/30049/thumb/172000.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/30049/thumb/172000.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

Please note, I grabbed the first image I saw at 640 in the Jewelry Advertisement challenge...

Yes, if I use the F11 key I can get the 640 image to fit (barely), at 800 it wouldn't. Can't get any more screen real estate than F11...

As for "junk" on my browser, I think I'm pretty standard for the avg user (give or take the Yahoo bar).

Take care. ;^)

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Even at 640 with a 19" (1280 x 1024 resolution) monitor you can barely fit the image in the viewing area.


If you're running 1280x1024 and a 640 pixel image barely fits in your viewing area then you've got too much junk on your browser. At that resolution an 800 pixel tall image should fit in your browser with room to spare for the voting.

04/29/2005 12:21:12 PM · #100
I don't want to have to disable my pop-up blocker, scroll to see the top & bottom of an image, or have to use F11, when I vote. All of those things are going to result in fewer votes being cast, and we are already beginning to see them spread thinner than they used to be. The proposed change is not necessary, but if we want to go to 800 wide, just leave the verticle limit at 640. That would be the least disruptive thing to do.


Message edited by author 2005-04-29 12:25:08.
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