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05/01/2005 11:09:32 PM · #1
Well, I just become an elite member of the DQ group. That's right, I got my first disqualification on the Jewelry Ad. The official reason was "You were allowed to add text in this challenge, but not company logos." So I guess someone was so affraid of how kickass my picture was, that they had to eliminate it from the competition. Well ha ha, the joke's on you...I was only pulling in a 5.02 with this one. So here it is, I still don't think it deserves a DQ, but I'm not going to argue about it. Someone obviously thinks I went too far, so I hope they're happy.

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05/01/2005 11:12:39 PM · #2
heh...that's ok man...get 'em next time! ;-)
05/01/2005 11:13:46 PM · #3
Have you thought about copyright issue's and property rights ?

Message edited by author 2005-05-01 23:21:27.
05/01/2005 11:15:15 PM · #4
Thats pretty ticky tack this late in the challenge.
05/01/2005 11:16:09 PM · #5
Erm... it's always sad when there are DQs, and I'm not suggesting you acted dishonestly, but surely the challenge description was incredibly clear when it asked for:
'Non-styled text (that is, simple monochrome letters without added effects)'
You still think you were within the rules? <raises eyebrow>
05/01/2005 11:23:54 PM · #6
Originally posted by keegbow:

I you thought about copyright issue's and property rights ?


No, I wasn't concerned with copyrights... because this is for dpchallenge. If it were for something for an actual job, then yes that obviously matters.

I considered just putting in the word "swatch", but I thought it looked better with the added logo, and thought I was safe, until it was reported the day before the challenge ends. I gambled, and apparently I lost.
05/01/2005 11:31:31 PM · #7
Originally posted by jeffzoet:

Originally posted by keegbow:

I you thought about copyright issue's and property rights ?


No, I wasn't concerned with copyrights... because this is for dpchallenge. If it were for something for an actual job, then yes that obviously matters.

I considered just putting in the word "swatch", but I thought it looked better with the added logo, and thought I was safe, until it was reported the day before the challenge ends. I gambled, and apparently I lost.


What i mean is that I think it is in breach of the site terms and conditions:

4.2 You will not use the DPChallenge.com Service to post content or to design, manufacture, market or sell a Product that (i) infringes the rights of a third party, including, without limitation, copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, rights of privacy and publicity,

But I could be wrong.
05/01/2005 11:32:43 PM · #8
Well, it seems it violates the part of the rules forbidding clip art, added elements, and/or the use of multiple images. I don't think a logo is the same as a font. I'm surprised it took so long, but the SC members may have been extra-busy this week -- I've had to be at work at 5 am the last couple of days myself ...

We consider DQ's at any time we are made aware of a rules violation. That includes both during and after the challenges.

There is no "statute of limitations" either -- if you cheat and "get away with it" don't go boasting about it anywhere a DPC member is likely to run across it.
05/01/2005 11:38:10 PM · #9
I dont think he tried to cheat anyone, nor did he try and use the swatch logo to sell a product.

He just did not know (nor did I)
05/01/2005 11:38:19 PM · #10
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Well, it seems it violates the part of the rules forbidding clip art, added elements, and/or the use of multiple images. I don't think a logo is the same as a font. I'm surprised it took so long, but the SC members may have been extra-busy this week -- I've had to be at work at 5 am the last couple of days myself ...

We consider DQ's at any time we are made aware of a rules violation. That includes both during and after the challenges.

There is no "statute of limitations" either -- if you cheat and "get away with it" don't go boasting about it anywhere a DPC member is likely to run across it.


Really? So an entry from a year or 2 or 3 if found to have violated a rule in force (at that time i hope, not retroactive or anything) could still be DQ'd?

Hmmmm...he murmurs as he silently lurks back into the shadows.


Message edited by author 2005-05-01 23:38:31.
05/01/2005 11:47:23 PM · #11
Originally posted by Riggs:

I dont think he tried to cheat anyone, nor did he try and use the swatch logo to sell a product.

He just did not know (nor did I)

Sorry, I meant to say "If one cheats ..."

I didn't mean to imply that this particular case was intentional cheating. This is just a subjective difference of opinion between the photographer and the majority of the SC about whether the image violated one of the rules.

Yes, an "old" photo could be DQ'd, although I personally think it is only likely if it turned out to be a ribbon-winner or there was a series of photos demonstrating a pattern of abuse, and therefore pretty unlikely overall.
05/01/2005 11:50:05 PM · #12
I really didn't think into this too much when I did it. I had a collection of Swatch watches available to shoot, and it just seemed appropriate to simply put the logo of the watches on the ad, with nothing else. I thought that stuck with the simplicity the makes Swatches so enduring in the first place.

As for the copyright thing, I think it's obvious that I'm not actually trying to sell them, but thanks for pointing that out. I don't remember reading that part of the rules before, and this just might encourage me to brush up on them.
05/01/2005 11:51:58 PM · #13
Yes, there have been photos from long ago DQed for breaking rules.
As for the time it took on the DQ, we got the request, we requested proof from you, you sent us a corrupt original, we re requested, the second proof you sent us still was not an original, however, it was enough for us to tell that you added the logo, which is against the rules.
On that note, had you not have added the logo, the shot might have been DQed anyway for failure to send us an original. The reason I'm saying this is to help you from possibly having future DQ's. The original you sent us was ran through Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh. What we need to validate is the Original, Unedited, photo out of the camera. Which means that it can not be run through any editing programs prior to saving it.
Always SAVE AS and make a edit from a copy to ensure that you keep your original.
I hope this helps you (and others) out.
~Heather~
05/02/2005 12:12:23 AM · #14
As for sending you the original...I shot it in RAW, and import onto my Mac using iPhoto 5. I tried to send you the original RAW, but that is when I got the corrupt email. So I grabbed the same image, opened it in Photoshop, saved it as a jpeg and resent it. What sould I have done to get you the original? I'm new to RAW, and this is the first time I have been asked to submit original, so I'm learning as I go.
05/02/2005 12:14:13 AM · #15
Send the RAW file as an attachment. I believe you could ZIP it if there's a problem, but you should be able to upload the RAW as a binary attachment.
05/02/2005 12:20:50 AM · #16
In iPhoto, choose revert to original, then export that file in its original format and send it. You can also manually navigate to the original in your iPhoto Library folder...

iPhoto's library folders are named and organized by the date you upload the files, and each folder will have a subfolder within it called "Originals" if you've made any changes to the images. The file you need to send will be in that Originals folder.

Message edited by author 2005-05-02 00:21:32.
05/02/2005 12:23:02 AM · #17
I believe the mechanism for getting us original files for validation is an upload process, similar to a challenge entry, and does not involve email or attachments.
05/02/2005 04:41:32 AM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:

I believe the mechanism for getting us original files for validation is an upload process, similar to a challenge entry, and does not involve email or attachments.


You are correct, as long as the file is on a disk or card, or tape, it can be uploaded straight to DPC with no reqirement for attaching to anything.
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