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05/10/2005 09:30:18 AM · #51
I just finished voting on all entries for this challenge and I was surprised at the number of images that were the opposite of "Outside Looking In" - many were of something (animal, person) on the inside looking out? FWIW I don't have an entry in this one - no bias whatsoever, just an observation. ;^)

Originally posted by SDW65:

IMO I think a lot of voters are limiting them selves to narrow a field of view on what this challenge is about. You donít have to be looking through glass, windows, doors [open or closed] and anything physical to be on the outside looking in.
This is one of those challenges that I believe you are going to have to look at the quality of the picture and put more weight on that than wondering if it meets the challenge. Most everything meets the challenge. I could go on with examples but donít want to endanger anyoneís entry. When voting just think about it. There are some good shots in this challenge. And you may not like the effect or the artistry of the photo and choose to vote low. Thatís ok; we all have our opinion but at least leave a comment why.
05/10/2005 09:33:30 AM · #52
Originally posted by glad2badad:

...many were of something (animal, person) on the inside looking out?


How could you see that unless you were on the outside looking in at the animal or person on the inside looking out? ;-)
05/10/2005 09:42:50 AM · #53
Well, actually there were some where the image was from inside looking out quite obviously - and the context or focus (IMO) of others were primarily of an inside looking out subject.

I see your point Shannon from a technical perspective that can apply to some of these perhaps...guess I was looking more at what the image was trying to say.

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

...many were of something (animal, person) on the inside looking out?


How could you see that unless you were on the outside looking in at the animal or person on the inside looking out? ;-)
05/10/2005 09:54:13 AM · #54
Originally posted by glad2badad:

...guess I was looking more at what the image was trying to say.


I agree with you, and undoubtedly the top scoring subjects will ALL be clearly on the outside. I was just pointing out that there may be other interpretations that could be valid.
05/10/2005 10:06:50 AM · #55
To tell the truth I found them (with very few exceptions) to be a very uninspiring set of images. I had trouble voting more than a dozen above a six.
05/10/2005 10:41:39 AM · #56
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Well, actually there were some where the image was from inside looking out quite obviously - and the context or focus (IMO) of others were primarily of an inside looking out subject.


Challenge Details: Capture the view of looking in from the outside.

Here something to think about: If the photographer is on the outside, taking a picture of someone or something on the inside looking out, isn't it both? Outside looking in, (photographer), Inside looking out, (subject)?

I don't think there is a way to create a challenge description that will not be somewhat ambiguous. By first glance, one would think that this challenge clearly means "Take a picture of an object looking in from outside of that object". But the wording is "Capture the view of looking in from the outside." So, if the photo is of something looking outside from the inside the photographers view is of looking in from the outside as well. I think I am even more confused now than when I started! I also got a comment saying that "This is more inside looking out" but I definitely see it as Outside looking in. My photo is doing quite well, so I'm not here to complain, I just wanted to post my opinion.


05/10/2005 11:07:59 AM · #57
Ken (2Shay) - I agree with you on the wording of challenges, very "challenging" to get them worded without ambiguity.

The thing that was throwing me off the most were photos where the main subject, or object of the image, was that of something looking out from the inside. The story the image was telling is that of something entirely different from the "Outside Looking In".

I suppose in retrospect, some of the "Inside Looking Out" images could be the "view" of the photographer - but it's hard to grasp that 3rd party connection on many of them, especially when the "subject" appears to be otherwise by the composition of the photo.
05/10/2005 08:57:07 PM · #58
I can't believe this. My score has slowly risen from 3 to 4.6972 with over 160 views, 100 votes but without one single comment? I think I may have scared everyone.
05/10/2005 10:10:02 PM · #59
The shot I entered, in my small and feeble mind, shows in the clearest and most explicit manner that the photographer is outside of something, looking in to view something else. I guess that's not the kind of view people want to see. I know there are dozens of shots that are taken from the same perspective, where the photographer is on the outside, looking in at something else. I wonder if they are all suffering as badly as I am. I still like the shot, and it wasn't even taken with the challenge in mind. It fit perfectly (so I thought) so I entered it in the challenge. I haven't had a 4.8 in a long time, so I guess I was due for it. ;o)
05/10/2005 10:17:49 PM · #60
Originally posted by laurielblack:

The shot I entered, in my small and feeble mind, shows in the clearest and most explicit manner that the photographer is outside of something, looking in to view something else. I guess that's not the kind of view people want to see....


I hear ya girl!! I'm in the same boat, I've slowly inched my way up to 5.0 which I'm sure will dip down again very soon and several times. :-)
05/10/2005 10:22:26 PM · #61
Laurie, I'm pretty sure that I know your image and it definaitely fits the challenge IMO...
I am finding the same problem and can't wait to see my score distribution. With my addiction of updating every minute, I am finding votes fluctuating more dramatically than most other challenges. On several update clicks, through averages, I have gotten a 8-10 score followed by a 3-5 score. When I took the image I thought for sure that it would place mid 6 range and was confident that not only was it a great image, but couldn't fit the challenge any better. Obviously people have a different understanding of this simple challenge concept.

Although it is not scoring as high as I thought, I won't complain about my current average...

Votes: 115
Views: 164
Avg Vote: 5.9826
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1

Message edited by author 2005-05-10 22:22:37.
05/10/2005 10:36:26 PM · #62
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Outside looking in...
05/10/2005 11:27:03 PM · #63
Originally posted by jenesis:


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FWIW - I'm up to a WHOPPING 4.800 now.
Geez!
05/11/2005 02:23:40 AM · #64
I'm also scoring too low and wish I had submitted something else. Only a perfect 10 is good enough for me.

And I don't understand how it could've been viewed 181 times and only selected as favorite 179 times. Please someone tell me what a guy needs to do to get a good shot that pleases everyone...

Votes: 118
Views: 181
Avg Vote: 9.9987
Comments: 118
Favorites: 179
Updated: 04/01/05 02:12 am

:)
05/11/2005 02:50:33 AM · #65
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05/11/2005 07:20:17 AM · #66
the most amazing thing happened....while i was sleeping someone switched eyegalss presciptions or monitor settings on some dpc'er....as when they voted on my photo for this challenge they loved it and gave me a ...wait for it...."10"...this is amazing.... thankm you :)
05/12/2005 03:03:44 PM · #67
Without a subject in the phrase outside looking in, it seems pretty presumptuous to believe that it was the camera that was to be on the outside and the view to include the inside of something where there might not be enough light to get a good picture of what is inside. It would also be very presumptious to consider that the view would be through glass where reflections could confuse the view as to what is inside and what outside.

While I did not mark such pictures down drastically because such presumptions were made, it seems clear that people hurt themselves by taking on unnecessary photographic difficulties by leaping to conclusions about the challenge requirements. This includes those that presumed they had to be inside to capture a backlit subject looking into where they were.

A picture such as that by rgo of the ice cream vendor avoids all lighting and reflection difficulties. Those who understood that the challenge was not to solve lighting and reflection problems, but rather to avoid them came up with pictures which are better lit overall.

I am sure they will be well rewarded for their lack of presumption and the thought they put into what would make the best picture.

It does seem that it would be a nice gesture to consider the difficulties faced in taking a picture and reward photographic skills rather than simply punishing presumtion.
05/13/2005 05:55:19 PM · #68
My score's about half a point higher than I thought it was going to be, so I'm fairly happy. Even if it drops some, it's still a much better response than I expected :) No favourites - no surprise there. :( :)
05/13/2005 06:11:13 PM · #69
Originally posted by mocabela:

My score's about half a point higher than I thought it was going to be, so I'm fairly happy. Even if it drops some, it's still a much better response than I expected :) No favourites - no surprise there. :( :)


It's interesting--there was a period where my shots were getting fav'd in the challenges, and that helped ease the pain of the score for doing something outside the box. That hasn't been happening in this last batch, despite at least one of my shots getting many really favorable comments.

So I'm wondering if fewer people are doing that lately? I see Joey Lawrence's winning photo has something like 36 favs now. Joey, if you read this, how many favs did you get during scoring?
05/13/2005 06:37:34 PM · #70
Originally posted by nshapiro:

It's interesting--there was a period where my shots were getting fav'd in the challenges, and that helped ease the pain of the score for doing something outside the box. That hasn't been happening in this last batch, despite at least one of my shots getting many really favorable comments.

So I'm wondering if fewer people are doing that lately? I see Joey Lawrence's winning photo has something like 36 favs now. Joey, if you read this, how many favs did you get during scoring?


None of mine have really been getting fav'd during OR after challenges lately. My portfolio shots have done better than my entries, I think. Not surprised about this particular one though... score's very mediocre, but it seems sometimes like the low scorers get as many or more favourites as the high scorers (in my case).
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