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05/10/2005 09:03:31 AM · #1
I couldn't find the earlier thread on interesting bi/tri-modal voting distributions, but wanted to point out Pedro's "Disturbed" has no less than four separate "peaks" in the voting histogram. Surely an image that rubbed voters in VERY different ways.

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Outstanding image Pedro, worthy of a ribbon and revealing of a very talented and visionary photographer.
05/10/2005 09:05:08 AM · #2
i helped create the 10 peak :)
05/10/2005 09:22:50 AM · #3
10 from me.
It rubbed me with good lighting, focus, creative presentation.
Oh and it was creepy too. :)
05/10/2005 09:23:18 AM · #4
I have to keep my youngest (3 yr old) away from the monitor when DPC is up while this image is displayed..."that's scary daddy", which is a bummer because DPC is always on my monitor.

While I wouldn't want to take anything away from what is an interesting photo, I think I'm with my son on this one...it's too scary/weird/disturbing for me to look at also.
05/10/2005 09:24:42 AM · #5
Very creepy, I liked everything about it. Gave it ten as well.
05/10/2005 10:57:13 AM · #6
This was one of my top picks in the challenge. Props to Pedro for a great idea & wonderful execution.
The image is a bit skeeeery, but the purpose of photography is to evoke emotion, and this surely does so. I wish I'd though of it, LOL.
05/10/2005 10:58:46 AM · #7
It got a ten from me too, and I agree it is very distrubing, which I guess was the idea. Good job.
05/10/2005 11:07:43 AM · #8
This one displays the same peaks, but in an even more extreme way. I guess that means it must be *really* controversial ; )

I've actually noticed this a few times recently - there's a lot of even number voting going on for some reason. *boggle*
05/10/2005 11:08:48 AM · #9
I just found it too disturbing to enjoy. I thought it was technically a very good photo. I compromised and gave it a 5. My two favorites in the challenge had a much more uplifiting mood. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/172843.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/172843.jpg', '/') + 1) . '' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/173061.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/173061.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
05/10/2005 11:55:27 AM · #10
Originally posted by cloudsme:

I just found it too disturbing to enjoy. I thought it was technically a very good photo. I compromised and gave it a 5. My two favorites in the challenge had a much more uplifiting mood. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/172843.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/172843.jpg', '/') + 1) . '' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/173061.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/334/thumb/173061.jpg', '/') + 1) . '


but that is the whole point to good pix. It should make you think, it should make you feel emotion, it should make you ask questions. Anyone can wrap themselves in a warm blanket, its when you shed that blanket and take a step forward with your emotions that you will be able to be comfortable with the artists rendition.

I think alot of people just don't understand that emotion is a major factor to alot of good art.
05/10/2005 12:03:18 PM · #11
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05/10/2005 12:06:48 PM · #12
It may be a great photo, but as cloudsme pointed out, it doesn't mean you have to enjoy it.

Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:

...but that is the whole point to good pix...
05/10/2005 12:12:26 PM · #13
Originally posted by glad2badad:

It may be a great photo, but as cloudsme pointed out, it doesn't mean you have to enjoy it.


Just in passing, what this boils down to (this quote) is that given two iumages of equal power and technical competence, the "happy" one will beat out the "disturbing" one every day. I think that's too bad. But it's the way things are I guess...

Robt.
05/10/2005 12:19:01 PM · #14
Robert - It may be (at least in my case) that there are unfortunately plenty of 'disturbing' images in the world already. On TV, in the news, in PC games, etc...

That's me talking as a father. As for Pedro's ability and talent to create the image he did, I say kudo's to him! It is a stunning image and plenty of places for that talent to be recognized - DPC being one of them, and rightly so.
05/10/2005 12:25:10 PM · #15
this is the last I am going to post on this thread. then its time to move on.

just want observers to try a little experiment if you have the time, or curage.

the next time you watch say...oh i don't know...."Apocolyse Now", or "Dick Tracy", or "Sleepless in Seattle". (I picked color movies because its easier to do)

Watch the movie in its full glory. While watching, take written notes of every time your emotion changes. I.E., Scared, Happy, what ever.

Watch that same movie again, but this time take out the color. Make it black and white. Again, take notes on your emotions. Be honest with your self. Compare your notes.

If you were honest with yourself, the experiment should reveal that not the script, but the lighting, color, angles, close ups, effects, blah, blah, ect, ect. should of been a recurring factor to your emotions.

When yo see the redness of blood in its original color, as opposed to black and white, the color will always create more emotion.

I never said that you have to enjoy a picture. that is up to you, not me. but to be an affective observer, you need to recognize what emotions are emerging, and not write off your feelings as "bad art".
05/10/2005 12:26:10 PM · #16
Barry, I totally agree with you.

There is plenty of misery in this world, and most of it we can do nothing about.

Here we are with a hobby or even a passion, and I don't see why we need to add to everything that is already bad/negative/disturbing etc.

If someone has some deep need to do so, fine - it is their right.
But that does not mean others are lacking insight just because they prefer to be more upbeat.
05/10/2005 12:35:49 PM · #17
I think Pedro's picture fit the challenge perfectly, and was really well done, and I love it's "creepiness". I just wish I would think of stuff like that. There's nothing wrong with it, but I sometimes get a bit tired of "pretty" and "peaceful" and "upbeat".

Personally, I don't think kids are nearly as scared of creepy stuff as we sometimes think they are.

Uh, oh, it's Tuesday morning, start of the work-week for me. Now that's a downer.

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05/10/2005 12:44:33 PM · #18
That, to me, is semi-scary in itself. Kids grow up with this stuff and learn NOT to be afraid? My 3 year-old is young enough to be scared when he sees it and that's fine with me.

What about the kids that grow up not knowing what is real and what isn't? What's ok and what's not? There is a whole can of worms that this could open up regarding the influence of TV, PC gaming, etc.. on kids today. That would be a clear hijacking of this thread, so I'll leave the can opener on my desk.

Originally posted by ursula:

...Personally, I don't think kids are nearly as scared of creepy stuff as we sometimes think they are...
05/10/2005 12:45:48 PM · #19
Hm. There's no hidden or deeper meaning to it. I just did it for the sake of doing it. My little guy (he's 5) thinks it's hilarious, because I told him I took a funny picture of me. We even did one if him :)

I hadn't noticed before this thread that I got 5 votes of "1" and 13 of three or less. I haven't had that many 1 votes ever I don't think...even ones that score below a 5.

Whaddeva...it doesn't matter. It's got 25 favourites or something, and I mean it sincerely when I say I'll take that over a ribbon any day of the week.

Thanks to all those who have marked it as a fave and said nice things...it makes my day when somebody digs my stuff :)

P
05/10/2005 01:01:07 PM · #20
Pedro - Sorry if I got a little wound up over this. I've meant you no disrespect in my comments and I don't think you've taken it that way, but I'll cover my bases just in case.

My initial reaction/posting was in reflecting how my 3 year old reacted to seeing 'Disturbed' on my monitor at home. I should have known better and minimized the window when I saw him coming. As for the rest of it I find it frustrating/challenging, call it what you will, with trying to educate my kids on what's right and wrong - and it's a challenge with the outside influences. We're careful about what movies we rent (no TV in our house - antennae is terrible, no cable available, and satellite isn't in the budget)...long story about all the other avenues of influence. Can't shelter them forever, that's not right either, but hopefully we can have some positive control over the exposure.

Wow! Didn't mean to get on that soapbox either. My apologies for that. In the meantime, keep taking imaginative, creative photos. You are a great artist. Congrats!
05/10/2005 01:02:49 PM · #21
I guess I should add this:
I actually gave this photo an 8 (I can do a screen capture if you don't believe me) because it is a good photo, technically speaking.

I nearly always try to judge photos by their merit, rather than my personal taste.
(I sure wish others would do that, too - then my spider in the minimalism challenge would have scored a bit better.)

So my whole point wasn't to knock a good photo, it was to agree with others who feel that we don't HAVE to enjoy dark, miserable, scary or violent photos, and that I'm not ignorant or lacking in anything just because I feel that way .
I resent the fact that I am made to feel that way on a regular basis around here.
05/10/2005 01:22:41 PM · #22
Actually, Pedro's picture is a "feel good" picture, in the same way that watching a horror flick is. You always feel safe in the confines of your armchair eating your popcorn and cola. A photojournalistic picture of something similar make not make you so comfortable.
05/10/2005 01:35:05 PM · #23
Originally posted by Beetle:

I guess I should add this:
I actually gave this photo an 8 (I can do a screen capture if you don't believe me) because it is a good photo, technically speaking.

I nearly always try to judge photos by their merit, rather than my personal taste.
(I sure wish others would do that, too - then my spider in the minimalism challenge would have scored a bit better.)

So my whole point wasn't to knock a good photo, it was to agree with others who feel that we don't HAVE to enjoy dark, miserable, scary or violent photos, and that I'm not ignorant or lacking in anything just because I feel that way .
I resent the fact that I am made to feel that way on a regular basis around here.


Beetle, I'm sure the foregoing commentary was not directed at you personally, I believe folks were just pointing out exactly what you just posted... that although we might not *enjoy* a photo (because it invokes darker emotions), that doesn't stop it from potentially being good (or great) photography.
My personal view is that if we vote based on whether we "like" a photo, we will surely not give due respect to those powerful photos that happen to invoke dark, or negative, emotions.
With regard to young childern, yes, I can see that this image, and more so the 1st place winner, might be frightening. We as parents have the responsibility to provide a buffer. As a site, we certainly cannot say "you should not submit anything that does not have a positive message or tone." That would be a grave mistake.
05/10/2005 01:56:08 PM · #24
Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Actually, Pedro's picture is a "feel good" picture, in the same way that watching a horror flick is. You always feel safe in the confines of your armchair eating your popcorn and cola.


I don't know about you guys, but I certainly feel safer when Pedro is tied up. ;-)
05/10/2005 01:56:46 PM · #25
The more disturbing the better make me think, make me worry. The world is not all rosses and lilipops. I wish it were. Happieness is just as importaint an emotion as sadness. The darker side of things is there it should not be ignored. To be ignrant of of abuse and hardships would onlt encourage its growth. Ignore crime it witll grow, ignore abuse it will continue. You don't have to enjoy graphic images to appreciate there value.
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