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04/22/2003 12:05:16 PM · #1
I am a proud owner of a Fuji 602s and it's so good to see other owners doing so well with this camera!

It gives me no excuse to not be placing...

Keep it up guys/gals!

adam
04/22/2003 12:41:54 PM · #2
Thank you! :-) I also am a proud owner.
04/22/2003 01:24:59 PM · #3
Yes! Us 602 users may over take the 707/717's someday! Keep shooting guys and gals!

04/22/2003 01:27:23 PM · #4
I agree with you also. Its a fine camera with many options .

I have to add a bit of a warning from personal experience. Watch out for the dust in the lens. I sent mine in for warranty cleaning, thought it would be gone from photo-itchy hands for only a couple of weeks.

Wrong, it was almost three months before I got it back. They said special parts had to be ordered or that it was still being cleaned to it was still going through quality control. I must add that they made good on it after all. They apperently either broke it or lost it because they sent me a brand new one. Which now I am going to sell and replace with with a 10D.

Any Offer's?
04/22/2003 01:35:55 PM · #5
Originally posted by BadPigg:


I have to add a bit of a warning from personal experience. Watch out for the dust in the lens. I sent mine in for warranty cleaning, thought it would be gone from photo-itchy hands for only a couple of weeks.


This is why I keep my extension tube and UV filter on at all times :-)
04/22/2003 02:32:15 PM · #6
The 602 rocks!
It's great to see so many 602 users on here nowadays, and so many great shots taken with the camera every week : )

The adapter tube & UV filter is no guarantee against dust, but it's a very sensible precaution. I can see dust on the inside of the lens on mine but thankfully it doesn't show on my photos.
04/22/2003 02:44:47 PM · #7
It rocks allright! I'm enjoying my 602 a lot.

BTW, is there a way to clean the inside of the camera yourself when it gets 'dusted'?
04/22/2003 02:51:39 PM · #8
I Checked all over for any tips for self service cleaning. But found no one who had done, besides I can tear most mechanical things down but always seem to have parts left over when I put it back together again. The Fuji service peolpe advised against it. You might ask Azrifel He's pretty knowledgeable about this camera.
04/22/2003 02:53:31 PM · #9
Originally posted by marco:

BTW, is there a way to clean the inside of the camera yourself when it gets 'dusted'?

I did see a web page that somebody on the dpreview Fuji Talk forum had put together where they showed step-by-step how to open a 6900 to clean the CCD. They didn't go as far as the lens, and I have a feeling it may be sealed anyway.

Having said that, this is not something that I would attempt. There's a lot of delicate/sensitive electronics in there (especially the CCD itself) and it would be too easy to do more damage than good.

I have also seen mention of blowing compressed air in through the memory slots to shift dust. But in my case the dust isn't yet a problem, and if I try to shift it it would no doubt land on the CCD out of spite!
04/22/2003 03:54:36 PM · #10
Hmm, I just replied to the other dust problem thread.
Anyway here is the link to the disassembly of the Fuji 4900 of Theo Lumens. The 6900 works about the same way.

Theo Lumens Fuji 4900 disassembly

Don't do it when you don't know what to do or if you are in any other way uncertain about it. I would do it when it happens after my warranty runs out.

And here is the URL to disassembling a 602, by James Kirk:

Take your 602 apart

He talkes about it some more and about trying to crack the firmware in this dpreview Fuji Forum discussion.

I have the adapter tube attached since december (bought it early June, one of the first Dutch 602's -ordered in April-). I don't think I have a dust problem (knock on wood), I do have a problem with my UV filter getting dirty all the time. :)
Verry happy with it and I will get a dSLR to accompany it next year. :)
04/22/2003 04:01:12 PM · #11
And btw:

I wouldn't touch the lens, unless you are a trained repair person. It has several groups of multiple lenses. The problems are:
* How do you get the stuff back in and perfectly aligned?
* How do you prevent getting more dust in than out?
* How do you prevent your lenses getting other, more sticky dirt on it?
* How do you avoid damaging the zoom servos?


04/22/2003 04:31:54 PM · #12
I don't hink I could ever bring myself to take the camera apart....but I do love the camera. It has actually helped me be more creative and made me enjoy photography so much more.
04/22/2003 04:40:19 PM · #13
Now, if we could all start shooting like "bod" "crabappl3" and "Azrifel," and start wining some ribbons we can get the S602 even more respect!!! Good job guys, you're the perfect exmaple that in the end it's the photographer that makes a great picture, not the equipment.
04/22/2003 04:58:48 PM · #14
Yep it`s a great camera. I`m surprised there`s not more owners than 199.
04/22/2003 05:20:43 PM · #15
The reason I bought mine was because of the top work being done with it on this site (though it hasn't put me up there yet!) - was looking at the Nikon 5700 and Oly 5050, but was persuaded out of it (plus I knew the Fuji systems well, anyway).

Only 199 users ... :-)

And we only need 7.3 to get on the 602 top ten :-(

Ed

Message edited by author 2003-04-22 17:25:05.
04/22/2003 05:34:34 PM · #16
[quote=e301]The reason I bought mine was because of the top work being done with it on this site (though it hasn't put me up there yet!) - was looking at the Nikon 5700 and Oly 5050, but was persuaded out of it (plus I knew the Fuji systems well, anyway).

I'm looking into buying a better camera, and have been looking at the same two cameras you mention (Nikon 5700 and Olympus 5050). Besides knowing the Fuji system, what else convinced you to go with Fuji over the other two?

Ursula
04/22/2003 07:03:04 PM · #17
I can't wait for mine to arrive. Probably Thursday. :-D
04/23/2003 01:45:30 PM · #18
uabresch, although I can't speak on behalf of others I can tell you why I decided to swith to Fuji. To me, it simply seemed to be the best over all camera. It doesn't have all that high a native resolution (3.3mp)but the 6mp Super CCD (interpolation) works really well. The botton lay out is well thougt out and allows for quick and easy shortcuts for controls that are normally deep in the menu of other cameras. The color rendition is excellent and the capability of accepting both Smar Media AND Compact Flash or Micro Drive is a definite plus. Also, the look and feel is pretty professional, not "cigarette box" looking, and the build is very sturdy as well. Plus, you add in the fact that you can find it online for around $500....it's a great deal too.

Just my 2-cents worth.
04/25/2003 07:34:41 AM · #19
Its also the only choice available at any price if both movies and stills are important to you. 602 movies have 4x the resolution, 2x the frame rate, and 2x the still frame quality = 16x better than the second place camera.
04/25/2003 07:41:18 AM · #20
I am too a proud owner but i also like the sony 717 ,it was a tough choice ;)
04/25/2003 07:51:39 AM · #21
Didn't see your question 'til now Ursula.

Image size: while the 6MP output is down to interpolation, and only 3MP are effective, that interpolation is so good that it is fine at around 4.5MP - 80% or so of recorded image.

Image quality: look around here!

Features: upto 1/10000 second shutter speed, absolutely necessary if you spend the amount of time I do shooting into the sun. Aperture range is a little limited - 2.8 to 11, but fine for everything I do. Super Macro down to 1cm range, also essential if you need to get real close. 2 programmable white balance settings - great for filter-type tricks.
Zoom: 6x is pretty good, and I'll get the telephoto add-on if I need more. Less than the Nikon, but at so much less price.

Feel: just felt great in my hand. Wasn't bothered about having a small camera, and the button layout and accessibility of everything is excellent. Seems pretty robust too - has survived being dropped once (and hopefully once only!)

Storage: dual media is v useful, I went for the Pro so got a 340Mb microdrive with it, as well as the cable release and PC-sync socket. Have a number of Smart Media cards already so they're still useful.

And price, in the end. I think if the 5700 had been the choice, I'd have got a DSLR. Unfortunately, budget is an issue.

One downside: the manual focus isn't so great - fine if you use the over-ride to set the focus and then the manual setting to keep the focus set, but with the TTL viewfinder it's so difficult to tell if you;ve got the sharpness there.

Ed
04/25/2003 09:51:16 AM · #22
Thanks for answering, Ed!
~Ursula
04/25/2003 06:50:05 PM · #23
My reasons to go with the 602:

- speed, speed and speed

Very fast focus in good light (5700 focusses just as bad in low light), even manages to focus when tracking subjects at the right speed.
Very fast file write times & large buffer.
5 frames per second continious shooting. You might think 3 or 4 is just as good, but in many wildlife or motorsports cases only 1 of 5 and even non at all are good.
Good zoom speed (from WA to Tele and back).
Speed of control. I can switch the aperture, shutter, WB, Iso etc very fast.

- The Zoom Range
- Colors
- Image quality (I always use 6mp soft sharpening and sharpen later with USM in Photoshop)
- Full manual control with a lot of options, most of them accessible without deep menus
- hotshoe for external flash
- battery life and the fact that it uses AA batteries
- CF2 compatible
- On my pc I get very fast camera to pc file copy times
- Resolution tests put it at almost equal to the Dimage 7 series
- The low price for the package assuming that the dSLR's were still dropping in price (rumour says the EOS 10D body will be at USD 1000 early 2004)
- A lot of other stuff I mentioned before in another thread

Experience: The control is excellent. I arrive at a scene and can setup my camera very fast as well as adapt fast to changing situations. The full manual control, auto bracketing and 5fps allows me to catch almost anything I want. The Macro mode is wonderful.
I started with it as a total point and shoot newby, but the camera is so controllable that I learned* a lot the last half year. I made the first 5 shots in Auto, the next 50 in Program mode and after that I never left A/S/M ever again.

*With the help of photo.net, agfa.net, dpchallenge.com, dpreview.com, megapixel.net and National Geographic Field Guides (General FG & Portraits & Landscapes).

My problems with the Minolta Dimage series were related to image quality, power usage and price for what I get. The 5700 came out later but didn't impress for the price it is sold at. It is a lot slower, doesn't handle as well and seems fragile when it comes to the lens construction. It is also way to Expensive and doesn't take AA batteries. Oly E10/120 also too expensive and slow.
G2 not an option. I handled one but hated it. Also lacked the zoom range I wanted.
I liked the 707, but it was too expensive and too slow. At that time the memorysticks were expensive as well and I will never ever buy something with Sony infolithium batteries ever again after the Sony P1 disaster.

Good luck. The 602 isn't perfect, but very good.
My next camera will be a dSLR. :)


04/25/2003 08:55:03 PM · #24
I've been shooting with my S602Z for about 3 months now. I was pretty much a newbie when I bought the camera, but I think I've improved rapidly due to the ease of use and overall quality of the camera, and I know I still have a lot of room to grow with it. On 4/24 I won a POTD contest at Digital Photo Contest (macro/abstract category). I noticed that it was only the 2nd POTD ever by a S602Z at this website, which surprised me a lot.

Azrifel, would you mind expanding on the reasons you use 6mp soft sharpening when you shoot? I use 6mp normal sharpening at normal mode (I couldn't tell the difference between 6mp normal and fine modes no matter how much I enlarged the image).
04/25/2003 10:11:56 PM · #25
K-Rob, rereading the thread, I just noticed your answer to my question. Thanks!

I've pretty much decided NOT to go with the Nikon 5700, mainly because I didn't like that besides a higher price to begin with, I would need to purchase different batteries and storage media than what I have now; I also didn't much like the way the buttons are all over the place.

Now it's between the Olympus C5050Z and the Fuji S602Z. Would anyone out there wish to compare these two?

Ursula

Message edited by author 2003-04-25 22:12:30.
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