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06/27/2005 08:20:25 PM · #51
Avg Vote: 4.7912
Comments: 3

Ouch... i thought i'd do better. Annoying thing is, all the comments are really positive - i wish people would tell me what they're voting down for. I bet folks are assuming it doesn't have leading lines just because they're not obvious :'( </whinge>
06/27/2005 08:23:59 PM · #52
Holy jumpin' jimminy, what's going on!?!?

Votes: 98
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Avg Vote: 6.5714
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Updated: 06/27/05 08:22 pm
06/27/2005 08:26:31 PM · #53
Originally posted by riot:

Avg Vote: 4.7912
Comments: 3

Ouch... i thought i'd do better. Annoying thing is, all the comments are really positive - i wish people would tell me what they're voting down for. I bet folks are assuming it doesn't have leading lines just because they're not obvious :'( </whinge>


Hate to say this, but if they aren't obvious, are they really leading? Not to pick on you, not to speak against 'out of the box,' but I thought this challenge was pretty specific. I looked for ANY kind of leading line in every single image (voted all, commented on 40 so far) and many didn't have one. They had lines or almost lines going every which way, but nothing that lead me through the image or to something in the image or grabbed my attention at all. Maybe I'm just 'overexpecting' on this one.
Excuse my verbage - my brain hurts.

d
06/27/2005 08:29:33 PM · #54
Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by ElGordo:

Perhaps my imagination is deteriorating, but I find very few entries in this challenge that meet the challenge. It seems that many folks misunderstand the challenge to mean "lines" of any type instead of lines that lead the viewer's attention to a subject. A lot of really decent photos that IMHO do not meet the challenge. Low scores from me with some exceptions.


I have to agree with this. Many people seem to misunderstand the term leading lines?


ditto. too many converging lines leading to nowhere (vanishing points)


06/27/2005 08:34:03 PM · #55
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Holy jumpin' jimminy, what's going on!?!?

Votes: 98
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Avg Vote: 6.5714
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
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Updated: 06/27/05 08:22 pm


That's real weird to have such a great score but only two comments ?. I have five comments and two favorites but a score of 5.66, it's all to hard to work out or predict.
06/27/2005 08:37:12 PM · #56
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Holy jumpin' jimminy, what's going on!?!?

Votes: 98
Views: 141
Avg Vote: 6.5714
Comments: 2
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Updated: 06/27/05 08:22 pm


when i grow up i want to be just like you!!!

wow slippy thats great!!!
06/27/2005 08:47:09 PM · #57
Wow! What is going on here?

Votes: 98
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Avg Vote: 6.7143
Comments: 7
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Updated: 06/27/05 08:40 pm

I do appreciate all the comments. It really helps me improve on my photos and hopefully one of these days, I can win that coveted Blue Ribbon. I'm also amazed at how many of you guys viewed my photo of the Tarsier Monkey. I'll be updating the image information so you guys would know where I took that image. When I sent out my thread, I had only 28 people look at that image. Since then, it's been viewed 64 times! WOW! Thanks guys.
06/27/2005 09:09:58 PM · #58
Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by ElGordo:

Perhaps my imagination is deteriorating, but I find very few entries in this challenge that meet the challenge. It seems that many folks misunderstand the challenge to mean "lines" of any type instead of lines that lead the viewer's attention to a subject. A lot of really decent photos that IMHO do not meet the challenge. Low scores from me with some exceptions.


I have to agree with this. Many people seem to misunderstand the term leading lines?


Yup, I admit that I am guilty of this. I realized last night after reading and posting into the Leading Lines Outakes thread that I was not going to do so well. However, just to play devils advocate... there are definitions of Leading Lines on the web that state it is technique that leads the eye of the viewer across the entire image. Not necessarily to a focal point.

Sucks too, because had it been just a "lines" challenge I think I would have done much better!
Votes: 88
Views: 110
Avg Vote: 5.7727
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 06/27/05 09:03 pm


06/27/2005 09:32:48 PM · #59
Originally posted by ElGordo:

Perhaps my imagination is deteriorating, but I find very few entries in this challenge that meet the challenge. It seems that many folks misunderstand the challenge to mean "lines" of any type instead of lines that lead the viewer's attention to a subject. A lot of really decent photos that IMHO do not meet the challenge. Low scores from me with some exceptions.


Where does it say the lines must lead to a subject??? They must lead, yes, but they can lead you to a point unseen too in my opinion. Why do they have to stop at a subject.
As I see it, they can lead you to, can lead you from, can lead you over, as long as they let your eyes follow.
06/27/2005 09:38:21 PM · #60
Just wanted to congratulate everyone on their entries. Maybe it's because I've been away but the majority of the shots are getting really high scores from me. Really good work everyone.
06/27/2005 10:26:19 PM · #61
Originally posted by Titia:

Originally posted by ElGordo:

Perhaps my imagination is deteriorating, but I find very few entries in this challenge that meet the challenge. It seems that many folks misunderstand the challenge to mean "lines" of any type instead of lines that lead the viewer's attention to a subject. A lot of really decent photos that IMHO do not meet the challenge. Low scores from me with some exceptions.


Where does it say the lines must lead to a subject??? They must lead, yes, but they can lead you to a point unseen too in my opinion. Why do they have to stop at a subject.
As I see it, they can lead you to, can lead you from, can lead you over, as long as they let your eyes follow.


What about if your entire image is the subject, what then, eh! Well either way i'm sucking impressively in this one :)
06/27/2005 11:09:33 PM · #62
No score post - just commentary. I was very disappointed with the entries for this challenge. Seems people think that any, and I mean just any, slight representation of a line fits the challenge. Well, sorry. In my eyes there were a lot of shots that just were extreme cop outs and less than par shots. Mine may not be the best, but I think there were far more that did not meet the challenge than did in this one.

Edit: After three rounds with the images I am afraid that my average vote cast will be lowered. I wanted to see if I was way off base here so I asked two other people to view the images and offer an opinion. Both said the same thing - "What were these people thinking?"

Message edited by author 2005-06-28 09:01:32.
06/28/2005 02:44:18 AM · #63
I agree that there may be some that could be questionable, but...the photographer KNOWS what their lines were for, just that it is not Hammer Over The Head Obvious (HOTHO) :) for voters.
I still get confounded that anything not clear as a bell, sharp as a tack, and without grain/noise usually gets the Hammer anyway (Mine is in this area). But, that is the way of the voters, and I know it, just that I wanted to display my vision and not kowtow to it this time.
06/28/2005 03:22:46 AM · #64
"This quirky shot, which breaks almost every rule, is very effective. To list the several things wrong with it would be pointless, especially as that would overlook the fact that it really works, and is one of this challenge's more creative and memorable images. It ain't beautiful though, and alas will probably not appeal to many. 8."

I'm at 5.38 but I thank the lord for this comment because it proves there is....well something that keeps me around. My entry is in this challenge for every quirky reason this commentor noted...warts and all and I hoped it would take hold for exactly what it was...risky bidniss for a DPC entry. This made my day.
06/28/2005 05:06:45 AM · #65
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

I still get confounded that anything not clear as a bell, sharp as a tack, and without grain/noise usually gets the Hammer anyway (Mine is in this area). But, that is the way of the voters, and I know it, just that I wanted to display my vision and not kowtow to it this time.


Nobody should kowtow anytime to the voters opinions. It's your photo, your point of view, not theirs.
I've looked over the archives to the winning photo's and I must say a lot of them don't appeal to me at all, too smooth, too obvious, too non-creative, too frightened to try something different.

Most of us are amateurs, enjoying capturing our moments. A lot of us are still in the learning process, be it technical wise or composition wise or post processing wise, but we get hammered because we don't produce the perfect quality image.


06/28/2005 05:11:41 AM · #66
Originally posted by pawdrix:

"This quirky shot, which breaks almost every rule, is very effective. To list the several things wrong with it would be pointless, especially as that would overlook the fact that it really works, and is one of this challenge's more creative and memorable images. It ain't beautiful though, and alas will probably not appeal to many. 8."

I'm at 5.38 but I thank the lord for this comment because it proves there is....well something that keeps me around. My entry is in this challenge for every quirky reason this commentor noted...warts and all and I hoped it would take hold for exactly what it was...risky bidniss for a DPC entry. This made my day.


Pawdrix: congrats on such a beautiful comment and Hurray for the one who made it. Those are the voters we need.
06/28/2005 07:08:53 AM · #67
Many months ago, while reviewing photos for sale at a local market, I found one that I really liked. It is a photo that has a hand rail running into the photo along the left side , curving toward the middle and getting smaller and smaller. This rail also led to the main subject, which was a boy off in the distance. I immediatley recognized the photographers intent although I had no idea at the time that this was a technique known as leading lines.

I have to admit that, after searching for an entry for this challenge, I failed to produce a shot that I felt met the challenge.
I was looking to take a photo that dragged the viewer into the photo and led him/her to the main subject of the photo.
I myself, took several photos with lines...but that's not the challenge.
Photos with lines that lead to subjectless blurry areas don't cut it. Simply having lines without any depth to the photo doesn't cut it. Thinking outside the box is a good thing in alot of challenges but not when it is avoiding a compositional technique.
I recognized this technique before I knew this technique existed...now that I have an understanding of what it is, should I really have to stare at the photo and wonder if it is at all close to achieving this technique. I sorta think the photo should convince me by grabbing mt attention and showing me that it does! Unfortunatley, there are alot of photos that will recieve low marks from me due to the above mentioned reasons.
06/28/2005 07:22:39 AM · #68
busted post...

Message edited by author 2005-06-28 07:32:53.
06/28/2005 07:40:13 AM · #69
Originally posted by Titia:

too frightened to try something different.


You are making an assumption here. And I believe you are wrong. There are tons of examples of photographers trying new things in every challenge. Maybe they aren't new and different to you as a photographer, but that doesn't mean its not new and different to the photographer.

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

I agree that there may be some that could be questionable, but...the photographer KNOWS what their lines were for, just that it is not Hammer Over The Head Obvious (HOTHO) :) for voters

you have joined a site where other people let you know how much they like or don't like your work. You many try to appeal to a select few who 'get you' and ignore the rest and NOT complain about your score from the general population, OR you can try to appeal to the broadest group possible, garnering lots of kudos OR you can do a little of both. In the process you should learn. Stating that its the voter's problem and not yours doesn't help you in the long run. As others have said, the voter's vote on what they like.

In anything you do, you need to learn the basics first. If you use noise or blur or any other technique, make sure you know why and how to do it well. If there is no purpose to it, most people will see it as using it to 'fix' a bad image. There are plenty of winning examples of what you all call out of the box shots, ones with grain or blur that don't follow the rules. But they were well done images. They spoke to people. A large group of people. Saying that 400 people don't know what they like or what art is or what good photography is because they don't like/get/understand/appreciate you is ridiculous.

done venting. sorry...
d
06/28/2005 03:39:05 PM · #70
I have to admit that I am one who misunderstood this challenge as well. However, from comments I've received, it seems as if it all depends on the viewer. My image isn't the best compared to other entries but there is a relative sense of simplicity in my composition that seems to evoke an emotion from those who have viewed it.

Am I addicted to the update button? Of course but what I look out for is the number of comments I receive from people. If they make comments either good or bad, it's still a knee jerk reaction to my image. If I evoke an emotion, I am satisfied because I know my image has touched them in one way or another.

"Amazing light...love the starkness and abstractness of the image...simple, subtle, beautiful".

Enough ranting here. I have 9 comments. Keep them coming.

Votes: 125
Views: 207
Avg Vote: 6.7920
Comments: 9
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Updated: 06/28/05 03:01 pm
06/28/2005 03:47:31 PM · #71
Votes: 108
Views: 141
Avg Vote: 4.8889
Comments: 2
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 06/28/05 03:03 pm

I'm happy with my shot and thrilled with the Favorite I've gotten, so the score's not that important... LOL (I just hope it manages to eke its way over the 5.0 mark again!)

06/28/2005 05:10:00 PM · #72
Votes: 121
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Avg Vote: 4.7686
Comments: 4

i am humbled by my lack of 'eye'
-- there are lot of great images in this challenge --
best crop in a while (and i ain;t amongst them ...)

Edit: crop as grain / not as rectangle ...

Message edited by author 2005-06-28 17:11:10.
06/30/2005 06:55:56 PM · #73
Votes: 173
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Avg Vote: 6.6416
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Wish Lists: 1

just a few more 8/9/10 please ;-)
come on all you late voters - mine the one with the leading line!
07/02/2005 02:49:05 PM · #74
Votes: 210
Views: 255
Avg Vote: 5.8524
Comments: 11
Favorites: 0

definitely my highest score yet!
07/02/2005 03:13:30 PM · #75
Votes: 215
Views: 308
Avg Vote: 6.2651
Comments: 13

Very close to beating out my highest score... and I really didn't think this would do well.
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